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Finally have it figured out -- sort of

Hotrod3234

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Here's what I'd like to have, a 36' x 46' garage with one 16 x 9 overhead and single service door,2 windows,it will be heated, water,etc,then have an attatched 36' x 18' with a 12' door and single service door just for cold storage for my trailer,only thing I have to figure out is the roof line between the two.Any suggestions ?
 
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pmiranda

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Re: Finally have it figured out-sort of

Can you sketch the plan view real quick?
That is, do you mean 72 feet across the front, with the main area deeper than the storage, 54 feet across the front, or is the whole thing a rectangle 36' deep and 64' wide (which is nice and simple, but then you wouldn't be asking about the roofline)?
 
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Sorry ,I should have explained better.Yes the total length will be 64' but the last 18' will have a taller roof-ceiling height, the 36 x 18 will have a 12 ' -14' ceiling(or a cathedral type) the rest will have a 10' ceiling,so I could put a lift in if I sell the trailer.
 
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I see... it's basically one big rectangle but with an 18' section having a higher roof...
Assuming the rafters/trusses run the short way (36') along most of the building, one way to do it is with two roofs... One with the ridge running parallel to the long side of the building, and the second on higher walls that runs the other way. So really two spaces framed separately and roofed separately that share a 36' wall, presumably with an insulated door between them.

Kinda like this (I can never get the dimensions to come out right in Visio, but it's good for quick sketches like this):
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Or you could do one, long, single-sloped roof that gives you the height you need at the high end, although if you're worried about snow load then the slope might not be steep enough.
 

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One big thing I overlooked last night... how steep of a pitch do you want on those roofs? If the difference in height is not significant and the pitch is steep enough then the roof lines will intersect, which will add complexity and cost.

For example, with a 4/12 pitch (I don't know if I'd go less than that in an area that gets alot of snow, but you have to take extra precautions to avoid problems) you get (36/2)*4/12=6' rise on top of 10' of wall and the peak of the low roof is at least 16' (I didn't figure in the thickness of the roof structure to keep the math easy). So you'll intercept the high roof since it only rises from, say, 12' to 15'. Ooops... the peak of the low roof is even higher, so I'd go a foot higher on the right-side structure to make the peaks line up nicely:

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Or since you're into a more complex roof structure at this point, build the high walls all the way to 14' to get the clearance you want without a cathedral ceiling and get something like this:
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Note that the lower roof has to extend all the way to the higher structure, underneath the upper roof. It's just like a roof line you'll see on a partial 2-story structure. Be very careful to get everything sealed up nice and tight, layered properly, or water will find a way in.
 

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Use the same pitch on both roofs and use your walls in the 18' section to raise the roof section. Then you just side the part facing the lower roof. The 18' section gets it's own overhang, etc. You flash from the lower roof deck up under the siding. Then it looks even from the narrow end of the building and there's no real crazy construction or weird angles to figure. All the rafters/trusses are the same. Pmiranda's idea is a bit more work but is an excellent way to go.
 
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Falcon: you're saying just make the higher section high enough that the roof lines never intersect, right? Definitely the easiest way to go. I figure 18' would do it unless the roof pitch is steeper than 4/12. I wouldn't cut a stick of wood until I'd drawn up everything :)
 

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Depending on your climate/building codes, the roof is a non issue. It's the foundation.

I was going to build something similar but was advised against it due to frost heaving etc. I ended up heating the entire building instead.
 

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Depending on your climate/building codes, the roof is a non issue. It's the foundation.
I was going to build something similar but was advised against it due to frost heaving etc. I ended up heating the entire building instead.

How is it different from having an attached garage on a normal house? :headscrat
 

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Falcon: you're saying just make the higher section high enough that the roof lines never intersect, right? Definitely the easiest way to go. I figure 18' would do it unless the roof pitch is steeper than 4/12. I wouldn't cut a stick of wood until I'd drawn up everything :)

Yep - kinda like the left side of this picture, without the dual pitch:
http://www.robinsonplans.com/index.php?option=com_hikashop&view=product&layout=show&Itemid=121

Another:
http://www.kidsplayhouseblog.com/kids-playhouse/a-unique-kids-playhouse-with-a-stone-facade
 
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