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5lima30

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An elderly lady who lives near me asked if I was interested in hauling off some old barn boards for her. I told I would be happy to. I rescued a couple hundred board feet of oak and poplar barn boards as well as some as some modern 2x material. Buried under this rodent infested pile were 2 fire extinguishers and medium sized oxygen tank. The lady asked if I would haul them off as well. After hauling the stuff home I cleaned up the tanks. Question 1. Can those fire extinguishers still be serviced?
2. Can the O2 tank be srviced or swapped out? (BTW there are no markings on it indicating a rental.)
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The soda-acid tanks are obsolete. They work by inverting them and having the acid mix with the soda this produces CO2 and a form of (depending on the type of the acid and the soda) salt water. The problem encountered with these extinguishers is that the hose can become plugged and the reaction inside the tank will contuinue to build pressure. The result you may ask? Just what you think. The biggest use for these types of extinguishers today is having lamps made out of them.
 

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you can turn them stainless fire bottles to the best damn water cannons on the planet in the summer.
 

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I've never heard of any soda acid tank bursting, ever. Not saying its not possible, but never heard that as a reason for their obsolescence.

As to the hose plugging and causing this type of failure, I think it highly unlikely. Those tanks are pressure tested to 500 PSI. They may have been obsoleted, but I think mostly because they are useless or even dangerous for so many types of fire. 500 PSI would clear almost any obstruction unless deliberately inserted (like a plug of epoxy), and even then the hose is more likely to burst and relive the pressure before the tank...

They would be easy to re-purpose to something much more useful than a ****** lamp;

I made one (three actually) into a portable pressurized water tank for camping. I installed a bulkhead connector in the top ran a hose to the bottom and installed a small valve and some 1/4" pipe and 45 and 90 degree elbows, and installed a low flow shower head on that. The hose was cut off short and a Schrader valve installed in it to pressurize it. (Barbed fittings and hose clamps) or you can cap it and install a threaded Schader in the cap, or drill hole in the top shoulder of the tank and install tire stem.

You can use a portable pump, off your car, or a hand pump, and it will work with as little as 10 PSI. Having running water like this saves water when camping, as the low flow shower head, if equipped with and even finer restriction in the dispersal plate does a great job of rinsing. (another tip: use a Dobie pat, a sponge with an outside scrubbing wrapper, loaded with dish soap and cleaning dishes with this setup in camp or anywhere else is easy. a little hot water to give a final rinse and you are done...)

With an extension and the addition of hot/warm water, you can also have hot showers! :rocker: I've even had the tank setting partly in or at least near the camp fire to heat the water and painted them flat black for solar heating (it will actually hit slightly above 100 deg in the sun)

You can also use the second empty to make a small portable air tank. I did that and added a small air regulator, and used that with the water tank for constant pressure. I usually kept mine at 125 psi max (1/4 the test pressure) just don't have any small leaks... I stopped using it once I figured out a bicycle tire pump was smaller and easier than messing with it all.

Lastly, you can put on some better hose, and a good 1/4 turn cut off valve, and a screw in Schrader valve to the top and have a fairly high pressure if short lived sprayer. You have to set it upside down to use it, but no big deal, as there is a carry handle on the bottom "dish". (I once used a pressurized water extinguisher to hose out a deer I was cleaning. MUCH faster/easier..)
 
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you can turn them stainless fire bottles to the best damn water cannons on the planet in the summer.

The pressurized water type are the best for that, My kids made the mistake of trying to attack me with there super soakers once.. I had two of the pressurized units and retaliated... :willy_nil


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I've never heard of any soda acid tank bursting, ever. Not saying its not possible, but never heard that as a reason for their obsolescence.

That's the exact reason that rivited and soldered were prohibited.
Fire extinguishers requiring inversion were prohibited to be used in fire service in 1978.

Still, I don't see these welded stainless extinguishers being an explosion hazard either.
 

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ps: That small an Oxy tank is almost never a rental (never in my experiance), so you should be able to exchange.
 

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That's the exact reason that rivited and soldered were prohibited.
Fire extinguishers requiring inversion were prohibited to be used in fire service in 1978.

Still, I don't see these welded stainless extinguishers being an explosion hazard either.

Apple and Oranges, and those were outlawed long before the SS ever was...

78? I saw those (SS) still in service LONG after that... :dunno:

Maybe a local/state law? :dunno:
 
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ps: That small an Oxy tank is almost never a rental (never in my experiance), so you should be able to exchange.

I appreciate the info! I will see if I can swap out the Linde O2 tank at Tractor Supply. BTW, these were all outside for years and no doubt froze many times. The extinguishers still have liquid in them but are in surprizingly good shape!
 

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If I ran across those extingiushers, I'd add them to my collection.

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Apple and Oranges, and those were outlawed long before the SS ever was...

78? I saw those still in service LONG after that... :dunno:

Maybe a local/state law? :dunno:

local/state. No. NFPA, but unless you're mandated to have an extinguisher by the local fire marshall and local regulations, it doesn't necessarily apply to you.
Around here, there's no residential requirement for an extinguisher, so there's no reason I can't have one of these (although their reliability is questionable, which is one reason they're frowned upon). In a commercial space, it wouldn't count towards your required extinguishers, but I'm not sure if a marshall would go so far as to tell you to remove it, if you met the requirements with other extinguishers (same thing goes for the pressurized water cans).

Agreed. I only mentioned the copper tanks, because when you see a soda extinguisher around here, that's what you usually see. Those were indeed known to blow up, but they're not what's in question here. Maybe that was the source of the confusion.
 

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Information from the NFPA indicates that these extinguishers were de-listed for several reasons. One was the diminishing availability of replacement parts and recharge materials necessary to maintain the extinguishers in a safe and reliable operating condition. Another reason was explained in NFPA's Fire Protection Handbook (18th Edition, 1997 pp. 6-377, 6-378), which provides information on obsolete extinguishers. According to this reference, the manufacture and testing of all inverting-type extinguishers — soda acid, foam, and cartridge-operated water and loaded stream — was halted in 1969 due to: (1) after 10 to 15 years, many inverting type extinguishers failed to meet the minimum test pressure requirements, and (2) container failures due to blocked discharge elbows or hoses resulted in serious injuries to operators.



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So how do I go about draining/ cleaning out the water mix thats in the tanks now?

Turn it upside down and see if it fires off like its supposed to:dunno::evil:

I think the big ring on the top unscrews and you can dump out the contents.
 

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Un screw the blue top there will be a small bottle suspended above he main "water" supply, lift that out and don't spill it, it is acid. That needs to go to your "household hazardous waste" facility (or equivalent)

The water alkaline solution can probably be poured done the toilet. it's nothing very special or hazardous.

Then wash the hell oust if the insides...
 
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