Fire house and garage
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Nice looking build youve got going... One question, is this a dog or a horse?...hah
The driveway slopes off quite bit, so it looks much bigger than it is. But yes it is a dog.
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Although it is more difficult to see the great progress today, it happened none the less. A lot of detail was done, the upper beam was installed, and all of the rafters were cut. Depending on the weather, the rafters should all be done tomorrow. That should allow for about 9 feet of clearance upstairs. Truth be told, I am pretty worn out tonight. George of Geobarns insisted that I be in a couple of the pictures, sorry for the vanity.
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Nice looking views out there. Station is coming along nicely.
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Thanks man, it has been a lot of fun. Sorry though I haven't been clearer, this is the garage, the station starts first of the year.
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Not a prolem...I was thinking the floor might be a little low for the Engine.
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I'm still trying to figure out that main beam downstairs...could you take some close-up photos & tell me how you made it?
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Thanks bull, your posting is the reason I am getting these buildings...
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Today was a fantastic day. The rafters were built and installed today before lunch. It really is amazing how fast these things go up. Even with this speed, the quality and craftsmanship are amazing. Feeling a little less exhausted today, but my back is still a little tight. As you can see from the second picture, we pulled all of the rafters up one at a time. I was the guy on the top (least skill required, but a decent amount of work). Purlins (no idea of the spelling of this word) were installed to reinforce the rafters and allow for somewhere to put on the standing steel roof.
I think we start diagonal framing tomorrow, though it is supposed to rain like crazy.
I think we start diagonal framing tomorrow, though it is supposed to rain like crazy.
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Hope these help a little bit. The third picture is probably the easiest to see it. The 2X10s run across the top of each bay. They are hung on a 2 2X12s that span the depth of the garage. Buttresses set between each set of 2X12s to provide additional support. So the long span is supported by 4 2X12s at each bay.
I will try to post additional pictures tomorrow. It is dark now.
I took a look at the Geobarns web site, and I must say they make some really nice buildings.
I don't get the point of the diagonal studs though. They claim they add some strength, but I would presume a post and beam structure like that would be plenty strong even without wall studs at all. Most traditional post/beam barns were built w/o studs, (but were unfinished on the inside). They claim it adds an elegance to the construction... which is hard to deny...but won't it all be covered up? And what about after the walls are all covered inside and out....would't snaking wires for a new (unplanned) light fixture or socket or plumbing be somewhat of a PITA?
I don't get the point of the diagonal studs though. They claim they add some strength, but I would presume a post and beam structure like that would be plenty strong even without wall studs at all. Most traditional post/beam barns were built w/o studs, (but were unfinished on the inside). They claim it adds an elegance to the construction... which is hard to deny...but won't it all be covered up? And what about after the walls are all covered inside and out....would't snaking wires for a new (unplanned) light fixture or socket or plumbing be somewhat of a PITA?
The diagonal framing IS very strong. But as you mention, the primary strength of the building is in the other aspects of construction. But, they make it unnecessary to apply sheathing to the studs before applying the shiplap siding.
Yes, once the exterior and interior are complete, it is all covered up. But, you know it's there, and it's part of the unique nature of a Geobarn. Working with George is a unique experience, in the best of ways. I am glad that his barns have unique features, even those that get covered. I'll always see my diagonal framing because I have black and white photos of the "skeleton" of the building framed and displayed in a front room.
As for wiring, I just wired mine with a friend. It was not especially challenging. A little drilling here and there, and the use of a couple natural chases to run wiring that the structure offered me. Really, not a drawback at all.
There are options for future electrical additions. I plan to finish the inside with board siding screwed to the framing. It will look great, and be easy to remove pieces to get into the walls later. You can also bury a plastic conduit somewhere in the walls so that it can be used to snake wires later. Of course, the best policy would be to plan well enough not to have to add things later. Heck, in my HOUSE I find it hard to add new wiring since it's all finished inside, with old-school balloon framing!
Yes, once the exterior and interior are complete, it is all covered up. But, you know it's there, and it's part of the unique nature of a Geobarn. Working with George is a unique experience, in the best of ways. I am glad that his barns have unique features, even those that get covered. I'll always see my diagonal framing because I have black and white photos of the "skeleton" of the building framed and displayed in a front room.
As for wiring, I just wired mine with a friend. It was not especially challenging. A little drilling here and there, and the use of a couple natural chases to run wiring that the structure offered me. Really, not a drawback at all.
There are options for future electrical additions. I plan to finish the inside with board siding screwed to the framing. It will look great, and be easy to remove pieces to get into the walls later. You can also bury a plastic conduit somewhere in the walls so that it can be used to snake wires later. Of course, the best policy would be to plan well enough not to have to add things later. Heck, in my HOUSE I find it hard to add new wiring since it's all finished inside, with old-school balloon framing!
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So, there are double 2x12's nailed to each side of the post that has the 'buttresses' nailed to them.....& the 'buttresses' are then nailed to the interior 2x12's? Could you take a photo straight up from underneath where the 'buttresses' attach to the 2x12's?
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Well the weather was pretty bad today. I had work to do so wasn't able to help, and frankly my help wasn't much needed. (at least that is my excuse for not being out in the bad weather all day.) The roofing showed up and the guys predrilled it so it is ready to go on, all of the transom windows are set and ready to go, and detail work, like the facia boards went up. Oh and the dog got muddy...
Autoist, the weather was bad and it got dark, so I didn't take any detailed shots. I did steal the shot below from the geobarns website. It should show the detail you ask for. If you would like, I could pm you George's (geobarns owner) contact information.
Autoist, the weather was bad and it got dark, so I didn't take any detailed shots. I did steal the shot below from the geobarns website. It should show the detail you ask for. If you would like, I could pm you George's (geobarns owner) contact information.
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Yep, think that does it...
If it doesn't, I can run out to my barn tonight and snap a straight-up shot for you.
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No, I think I understand it....the 2 2x12 beams are separate from one another & the 4x4 'buttress' is bolted between them.
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Next question: My wife saw me browsing the Geobarns website & likes their stair treatment...what are those pipes in this photo?
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Next question: My wife saw me browsing the Geobarns website & likes their stair treatment...what are those pipes in this photo?
He can make them out of a variety of material, but I'll bet they are conduit. I will ask him tonight.
He is a great guy to talk with, if you are interested, I highly recommend giving him a call.
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Absolutely horrible weather today. Of course, it is supposed to turn to snow tonight, so it may be even worse tomorrow. The diagonal framing on the first floor was done today despite the weather, and the roof is ready to go on tomorrow. All of the first floor transoms were completed today too...
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Is that an old 350/4 Honda?
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You don't want to cover that beauty up, do you?
Those stairs are done with mahogany wood and electrical conduit. I had George use that technique for the railing of an elevated portion of my second floor.
He got the idea, as I recall, when a customer whom he was building a horse barn for saw the outrageous prices for horse stall doors with a similar design. So, being George, he figured out a way to recreate the same elegant look for less money.
George is the best.
He got the idea, as I recall, when a customer whom he was building a horse barn for saw the outrageous prices for horse stall doors with a similar design. So, being George, he figured out a way to recreate the same elegant look for less money.
George is the best.
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Thank you - we're beginning a new project in the garage Monday that includes finishing a set of stairs & a railing in a gameroom overlooking the 1st floor....gonna use that idea.
Does he d anything special to the conduit like polishing?
Mine are not polished. But, you certainly could do that if you wanted that effect. I like the look of the dull metal with the mahogany's warm tone.
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Yep. It is in great condition and a fun bike to ride. We found the proverbial motorcycle in the barn, changed the tires, cleaned the carbs and away we go.
A 65 Pan, and an 04 Victory will be moving in next week...
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The wind stopped us from putting on the roof today, but the diagonal framing was completed upstairs. Although there were high winds, it was a lot better than the high winds and crazy amount of rain from yesterday.
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I asked because I had a feeling that you were young. Older folks have a better idea of what vintage a car or truck is from, since we grew up around them. I can tell the cars of the 20's, 30's, 40,'s, 50's, 60,s, and some of the 1970's, but I can't tell one of the new models from year to year or manufacturer to manufacturer. If that fire tuck was made in or around 1919, it would be an open cab, with narrow tires, and fenders covering the tire, just like the cars of the era. We are most familiar with those cars that we grew up with...
Did you look at the fire truck in the picture? It is definitely not a 1939 style fire truck. It is open cab, flat fenders, flat hood panels etc. I know fire trucks may not have changed styes as much as detroit did but that truck is way out of its era if it is a 1939. I pulled up a picture of a 1937 Bickle on the internet and it had 1937 Chevrolet front sheetmetal.
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Simple explanation in order.... you were looking at the picture by Firetrucks,
and I was looking at the picture by onemoretry...
Simple explanation in order.... you were looking at the picture by Firetrucks,
and I was looking at the picture by onemoretry...
Junkman, Actually this is the picture that I was looking at that was supposed to be a 1939 Bickle:
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With most vehicles you can determine the age by the look of the wheels and the size of the tires. The really old stuff had spoke wheels. I believe that the disk style of wheel didn't come into popular use until the 1920's.. I know that my 1926 & 1928 Buick's both had wooden spoke wheels, and mechanical brakes.
Man -o- man a Geo barn, 77 Ford, Jeep and a Firetruck. You have it all in my book. I too will own a Firetruck someday, in the mean time I get to drive them for a living. Here is a link to a site that has a lot of coverage of my Dept.
www.onlyredtrucks.com
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Dirving that ALF/Detroit for 7 hours must have been fun. lol A volly Dept. I was on had one just like that, it had a tendency to run backwards if you weren't careful with the clutch.
Very nice build, I wish they built in the midwest.
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Dirving that ALF/Detroit for 7 hours must have been fun. lol A volly Dept. I was on had one just like that, it had a tendency to run backwards if you weren't careful with the clutch.
Very nice build, I wish they built in the midwest.
George the Geobarn guy is right in VT...building for you in NH would be a breeze!
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They do build in the midwest... Checkout www.geobarns.com he has built all over the country. I actually chatted with him this morning, and he said he would be more than happy to work again in the midwest.
I was warned of the truck running backwards too. I had never heard of such a thing, but the guy that typically drove that truck was also an OTR trucker with obviously a lot of experience, and he said it happened to him.
Speaking of clutches though, last time out, the clutch was sticking a little on take off, any ideas? I haven't crawled under it yet as the garage is consuming all of my time, and the yard is a mess.
Thanks
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