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First Garage - The NoVA Man Cave

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Hi Everybody,

Long story, short - My wife and I and our three kids bought our first house out near Dulles Airport in Northern Virginia last August. It's a mid-80s suburban cookie cutter, but it has a nice basement playroom for the kids, a quiet neighborhood with low crime, room for everyone to grow, and a two bay garage.

I've been wanting a garage since 1994 but life style and work requirements has never lined up in quite the right way. Upon closing, I immediately announced that the garage was "Papa's room" and began figuring out how I could turn it into a comfortable workshop for me.

In fact, I think that's roughly about the time I found GJ and started stalking the forums for good tips and inspiration. :D

The garage is 20' x 22' - partially insulated and drywalled (the spaces where it tucks into the rest of the house) with exposed studs, no paint, and a bare concrete floor that is in decent shape.

I'm about half way through my renovation, but I thought I'd better create this thread sooner than later. I finally figured out how to host photos so I'm not killing the GJ servers and I think I've figured out how to size them correctly. My apologies up front for the quality of the early pictures - I didn't know much about how to use the camera phone.



To start, this is how it looked shortly after moving in. All of our stuff from storage was piled up in the garage for my wife to sort through for Goodwill.




The angles aren't great with the photos, but you can get a sense of what I was starting with. The only thing I changed in the garage when the photo was taken was the tire rack I hung on the right wall.




By the time the snows came in January, not much had happened with the boxes of junk and I decided it was time to take charge of clearing it all out of my garage. This past winter was a really cold one in NoVA, so I figured the first thing I needed to do was insulate the space to make it more comfortable to work in.

The garage doors were already insulated and the weather seal on both doors was in great condition. I went online, read up on what I needed to do for the walls, and then headed to the giant orange hardware store.



As you can see from this photo, I began insulating while I was still dealing with a lot of junk in the garage.




I used R15 batts. They were readily available, on sale, and made it really easy for a first timer like me to lay up and secure between the studs.




Here they are secured on the left wall:




And here is the right wall.




Finally, progress! Of course, the next thing to do was climb up into the ceiling and see what, if any, insulation was up there. But I'll save that for a later post when I have had the chance to find the pictures and upload them.

Thanks for looking!
 
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Congrats on the new space! Which area around Dulles do you live? I did a stint living in Sterling (Oak Grove) and Ashburn (right next to Brambleton) before moving back to Phoenix. Both places I lived there had fully unfinished/exposed garages that I would have loved to turn into awesome garage spaces, though both were rentals.

Keep the updates coming!
 

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Nice -- fellow NoVa'er here, actually a decent amount of people on this board from the area!
 

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My dad is not too far away from you and is getting ready to redo his garage. I'll be watching for stuff to pass on to him.
 
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Congrats on the new space! Which area around Dulles do you live? I did a stint living in Sterling (Oak Grove) and Ashburn (right next to Brambleton) before moving back to Phoenix. Both places I lived there had fully unfinished/exposed garages that I would have loved to turn into awesome garage spaces, though both were rentals.

Keep the updates coming!

I'm out in Sterling. It's tough to buy anything closer to DC on a normal person's salary nowadays. I traded a long commute for a house with bedrooms for each kid, a yard for them to play in, and a garage for me.

I lived here a while back when I was in high school and Marian Barry was still running the city. I remember when the crack epidemic was so bad in DC that there was a program in which the city government would give the deeds to abandoned row houses to people for a dollar as long as they were willing to renovate the structure to habitable condition and occupy it for a year or two. I remember thinking to myself that I'd come back when I was grown and I'd take advantage of that program.

Of course, by the time I came back into the area, those same row houses were selling for $500k so that pipe dream never came to fruition. Oh well. I'm happier out here where it's quiet. :)
 
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So I finally got up into the attic. I found that the insulation was a loose fill that was blown over the habitable areas of the house. The part of the roof over the garage was not insulated.

Again, I need to apologize for the quality of the photos. While I was getting better with the camera phone, the dust in the attic (especially after I started moving around) really played havoc with the auto focus.

Step one was sealing the gaps in the ceiling.




Then I started laying down the batts. I don't remember the R-value on these. I just remember they were marketed for attics.




After almost falling through the ceiling drywall because my balance isn't as good as I'd like to pretend it is, I went back to the hardware store and bought two 4'x8' sheets of plywood. I used these as temporary floors to move across the attic space.

It's tough to tell from the photos, but the attic space wraps around the second floor in front of the house and runs about fifteen feet toward the front door. This space is about five feet wide and three feet high at it's highest point and sloping down to the edge of the roof.

That was probably the toughest part. Every time I moved, I'd drive some part of my body into the roofing nails above me. I was a ****** mess by the end of it but at least I was working in the dark and I didn't realize it until I finished up.





With the attic done, the garage was officially insulated. I bought a cheap thermometer to see if there was a significant difference. Boy, was there! Without insulation, the garage space was usually within 5-6 degrees of the ambient temp. After insulating it, the garage stayed around 55-60 degrees in the winter and has been about 78 degrees throughout this summer. Definitely worth the cost.

The next project was actually an auxiliary task. I needed to build a shed to store the lawn mower, kids' toys, and gardening supplies that were squatting in my garage...
 

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With the attic done, the garage was officially insulated. I bought a cheap thermometer to see if there was a significant difference. Boy, was there! Without insulation, the garage space was usually within 5-6 degrees of the ambient temp. After insulating it, the garage stayed around 55-60 degrees in the winter and has been about 78 degrees throughout this summer. Definitely worth the cost.

The next project was actually an auxiliary task. I needed to build a shed to store the lawn mower, kids' toys, and gardening supplies that were squatting in my garage...

That definitely sounds worth the cost if the temps stay like that. There's something to be said about a comfortable garage space. I would like to finish my ceiling and insulate mine, but I've got so much long stuff stored up on the rafters that I can't afford to lose that storage.

Looking forward to the shed. I miss mine, but it was a termite infestation waiting to happen so I had to pull it down.

Former NoVA resident here as well. We were in Alexandria for about 5 years and my brother in law is actually interviewing with a church in Sterling this weekend.
 

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Glad to see the temperature readings for garage after you completed the insulation installation. I am near College Park so our temps are roughly the same during the seasons.

Are you up to date on your shots after getting jabbed with the nails frequently?
 
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That definitely sounds worth the cost if the temps stay like that. There's something to be said about a comfortable garage space. I would like to finish my ceiling and insulate mine, but I've got so much long stuff stored up on the rafters that I can't afford to lose that storage.

Looking forward to the shed. I miss mine, but it was a termite infestation waiting to happen so I had to pull it down.

Former NoVA resident here as well. We were in Alexandria for about 5 years and my brother in law is actually interviewing with a church in Sterling this weekend.

I wish your brother good luck. There are a lot of nice churches out this way from every denomination. It's one of the things I really like about living out here.

The attic storage space is something I thought about as well. I chose to use the batts of insulation vice loose insulation because they fit so nicely between the framing. I plan on laying plywood over top eventually to gain some storage space up there...mostly for the durable goods that get used once a year like Christmas wreaths and Halloween decorations.
 
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While I went about insulating the garage, I was also busy unpacking the final boxes and taking some of our excess stuff to Goodwill. As the crowd of junk thinned out, I realized that a substantial amount of space in my future work shop was still dedicated to the storage of lawn care and garden equipment. Obviously, this couldn't last so I decided I needed a shed.

The first step was actually to seek approval from my neighborhood HOA. They're a pretty hands-off group (they mostly exist to take care of the common areas) but they are pretty strict on ensuring that sheds, decks, and fences maintain a certain aesthetic continuity with the rest of the neighborhood. Knowing the process for approval could be lengthy, I submitted the request in early January.

The actual approval process was pretty easy, but the time it took to get the approval was several months. Given the size I needed and the budget I had available, I decided that a pre-fab Suncast shed would be the best bet in terms of meeting my needs and meeting the requirements of the HOA. A team of three folks from the HOA came out in late February and took a look around the lot. One of the members was a retired civil engineer and he gave me some great pointers on executing what I had planned out.

Having finally obtained their approval, I waited until the nice weather of late March to begin the process. While the shed is pre-fabbed and only requires a few hours of assembly, it does require a solid foundation to which it could be anchored.



Here's the beginning. There is a slight hill in the backyard so I dug into the slope a few inches. The final result was a shed that only angles about an inch over it's 7.5' length - just enough to help any water/snow that gets tracked in to trickle out.



Another angle. I forgot to take photos until after I'd begun laying the crushed rock base. The sticks are from the puppy. She kept dragging them over while I was working. I guess it was her way of helping out.



Here's the beginning of the frame. I ended up going back out and getting another dozen bags of rock to ensure a solid base and to help smooth out my amateur grading job.



The foundation is finished and I've begun staining and sealing the wood.



The finished foundation:



Beginning to attach the plywood floor. Normally, you would buy two 4'x8' plywood sheets (3/4" thick), but my old beater of a truck finally died and had to get pulled into the garage for some long-term TLC (where it remains to this day :eek:). Instead, I grabbed 8 sheets of 2'x4' plywood and trimmed to fit.



The floor is done and sealed.



Next up is the shed's plastic floor. This is bolted into the foundation in each corner. I also anchored the foundation into the ground using an old dog leash anchor (the kind that screw into the ground) and some nylon cord. The weight of the shed should be sufficient but I wanted to have a little overkill in place to guard against the occasional hurricane.



Up goes the shed!



Almost finished!



There's a lot of useful space on the inside. It didn't take me long to fill it up.



The final product. I'm pretty pleased with the end result.



With the yard and gardening tools out of the way. I was able to turn my attention back to the garage. Next up was repairing and finishing the drywall.
 
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Nice job, that shed will be your saving grace no doubt. Its amazing the difference one can make for your garage.

Thanks, Dubber! Your single garage build was one of the first I followed on this site. You gave me the idea of using racedeck (when I eventually get the budget for it).

I'm tracking your new build with equal interest!
 
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Curious of the shed framing, what is the extra bracing in each bay on each end? Just to strengthen it up?

The bracing is really what gives the structure strength. The resin panels interlock with each other, but from my observations while assembling it I think the framing is what provides for the wind and snow loads.

There are also a lot of accessory baskets and shelves that Suncast is happy to sell you - they're all designed to hang/attach to the bracing.
 
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The shed was filled very quickly with lawn and gardening supplies. There's enough room left over for the grill and the kids' backyard toys when winter comes. Now that I had cleared out the clutter, I returned my focus to the garage.

Best I could see, the next step was to enclose the exposed walls in drywall. The right wall was completely exposed as was the front. The left wall was only a third exposed. This was a pretty big project for me. I haven't ever hung drywall before. So, I carefully perused GJ and YouTube to get a better grasp of what I needed to do. Once my comfort level was as good as it was going to get, I took the plunge and assembled my supplies.

Due to my weird work schedule, I couldn't predict when I would have the opportunity to play in the garage (often it was in the middle of the night while the family slept). Consequently, I approached the drywall as if I'd have to do the lifting and positioning without any assistance. As a result, I bought 12 panels of 1/2" Ultralite Sheetrock. They were supposed to be lighter than traditional drywall but they still weighed a ton!





As you can see from the picture above, I also grabbed a couple 4'x8' panels of 3/4" plywood and eight foot lengths of 2x4s for the workbench I was going to be building.





It took some practice, but eventually I became pretty good at measuring and snapping the drywall to size. I started with the partial wall on the left side of the garage. It required a small cut for the electrical plugs and a second cut for the switch that ran the outside lights but otherwise went together pretty easily. I had some massive gaps on my first attempts but I got better as I went along.





I was pretty impressed with myself until I tried to put the top panel in place and realized that the wiring for the switch was stapled along the length of a wall stud and that the drywall would end up sitting on top of the wiring. Something in my gut told me that it would be bad idea to do that.

Reluctantly, I took the drywall down again and re-examined what I was doing. The builders doing the original wiring probably ran the exposed wire along the surface of the studs out of expediency but now I needed to move it. I realized the safest move would be to relocate the light switch and junction box onto the narrow sliver of wall along the front between the garage door and the corner.

Wiring - again, not something I'm terribly experienced with. So I took tons of photos to make sure I rewired everything exactly as I found it. I used scrap pieces of 2x4s and 2x6s to provide mounting brackets and I drilled holes through each stud near the roof line and re-ran the wiring. I also installed nail guards just in case someone tried to mount something in that location sometime in the future. It ended up looking a little like this:





The final product looked like this. Again, pretty bad gaps on this try but I got better as time went on.





I'll try to upload some pictures of the workbench I built tomorrow. I did it roughly the same time I was hanging the drywall.

By the way, thanks for all the kind comments. I really appreciate it! :bowdown:
 

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The bracing is really what gives the structure strength. The resin panels interlock with each other, but from my observations while assembling it I think the framing is what provides for the wind and snow loads.

There are also a lot of accessory baskets and shelves that Suncast is happy to sell you - they're all designed to hang/attach to the bracing.[/QUOTE

My question was not clearly stated. I meant the deck platform. Each end had additional bracing in it.

My bad.
 
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Captain - I understand now. I'm not entirely sure why the sides are braced the way they are. I just followed the instructions provided for building the base and hoped for the best. :)

My best guess is that the sides take the most weight from hanging tools and wind/snow load. In any case, the foundation is pretty solid. I don't feel any flex in the floor.
 

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Ok thanks for the reply. I just read your drywall portion of the thread again and I know it's aggravating to have to redo work to make it right, but you want it done correctly.

Thanks for documenting your work here so others can learn.
 
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My plans to post on Tuesday were hijacked by work. I've been offline all week but at least I got my weekend back. The wife had me running around all day taking care of all the little things that have stacked up over the last few weeks. I have high hopes I'll be able to putter a little bit in the garage tomorrow.

In the meantime, let me show you what I did after I fixed the drywall. I needed a work bench that would be large, sturdy, stable, and cheap. I also wanted some storage space underneath it.

I decided to go with the 2x4 Basics Kit. I'd seen the kits before. My partner and I had built one for the station way back in the day when I worked for an ambulance squad. I liked how quick it came together and how long it lasted (it's actually still there ten years later and still looking good) so I went looking for the same kit this time.

Amazon had it for around $70 and free shipping. Prices had gone up a little bit since the last time but c'est la vie. At least it would be a quick build and I wouldn't be worried about cutting the legs uneven.

I grabbed a couple of lengths of 2x4 and two sheets of 4'x8' 3/4" plywood while I was over at the hardware store buying drywall. The build took a few hours in the evening...mostly because I took my time and had to babysit at the same time.




I forgot to take photos until I was most of the way along. Sorry!




The kit was designed with two shelves beneath the work space, but I deleted the middle shelf in favor of having a single extra-tall shelf. I wanted to use the underside of the workbench to store the wet/dry vac. I also always hated the middle shelf on the one we built at the ambulance station. It meant you couldn't comfortably sit on a stool and work on anything on the bench because your knees would smack into the middle shelf.



This is what the final product looked like. I've been using it since the beginning of the summer and I still have no complaints.


I also added a couple of screws along the left side of the bench and hung a power strip. It's very handy to have a power source just waiting to be used and easily within reach.






That's all I've got for now, but I'll try to post again soon.
 

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Looking good so far.

I am in Alexandria. I traded an expensive house for a short commute, but we all have to make that decision in our area!
 
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How about a 1/2 shelf that runs along the back half of the bench? Would that make it too tight to sit at?

I debated it, but ultimately decided against it. With the shelf deleted, I have room to stuff the wet/dry vac and other bulky items that I want to keep out of the way but need to access somewhat frequently.

It doesn't seem to have had any effect on the bench's strength or stability.
 
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I expected pics of a Nova????

I wish! Sorry, NoVA's just another local term for the region. Kind of like the DMV - DC, Maryland, and Virginia. I've lived in all three over the past few years and I've got to say Virginia's my favorite.

It's been crazy busy at work, but I'm finishing up the uploading of the photos of the drywall repair and the painting I did on the left wall. I'm hoping to do the write up on it soon.
 
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So after the work bench was assembled and I finally had a place to stack my supplies, I went back to putting up drywall.

The left wall, which was partially completed when the house was built (due to building codes as the garage is sort of "tucked" into the side of the house), was finished first. This picture was after my first attempt to tape and mud it.




I learned a couple of things from this experience. First, the house has definitely settled a little bit since it was built. Nothing too terrible, but the garage walls are all a little out of true. Second, the original drywall is 5/8" and the new drywall I was adding is 1/2". I (naively) thought the difference of 1/8" wouldn't be that big of a deal to blend over, but boy was I wrong! I probably added in mud the weight difference I saved with the thinner drywall.

Now that the left wall was complete, I moved to the right wall. Since it was an exterior wall, it hadn't been finished at all (as you can see from this before picture).




I just started slapping the panels up. There was some minimal cutting involved but the whole process went pretty quickly. It was nice to see such a quick change. I used paint stirring sticks to give me about a 1/4" lift off the foundation wall.







Now that the panels were up, it was time to start taping and mudding them together. As you can see from the pictures, I had to work around my poor broke down truck...which I keep telling myself I will fix as soon as I do just one more thing to the garage. :)




First coat is on. Second coat is coming up.




Of course, it's at this point in time that my wife gives birth to our third child. It wouldn't be fair to say that all work in the garage came to a complete halt, but close to it. Even now (three months later), I find myself grabbing time to work in the garage in increments of fifteen minutes.

I wouldn't trade these kids for anything in the world but I sure do daydream of everyone deciding to go spend a long weekend at Grandma's!

I did treat myself to one long term purchase to celebrate the arrival of the baby. I've been wanting a small air compressor for the garage for a very long time. However, it needed to be super quiet. I didn't think such a thing was possible until I stumbled across California Air Tools. After much hemming and hawing, I went ahead and bit the bullet. This beautiful 10 gallon compressor arrived from Amazon in just two days.

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I gotta tell you - I only use this thing for the occasional air tool so I can't really comment on reliability yet. However, when they say the CAT compressors are so quiet that you can have a conversation next to them, they're not kidding. You cannot hear this thing outside of the garage and more importantly, you cannot hear this thing in the bedroom and nursery which sit directly above it. I'm definitely impressed!

As the drywall went up, I began to think about painting the walls. Finally, a chance to paint something in the house the color that I think is cool! :) I'll post more soon.

And, last but not least, let me extend my gratitude again to all of you guys who are following this thread. This site has given me so much inspiration. I can't even tell you how many builds I've looked at that have expanded my idea of what was possible in my garage at my skill level.
 
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