Flare nut wrench test

[qqzj]

Would you test 12 points line wrenches? Curious how bad they are. Also there are flex head line wrenches. I use them as flex head open wrench, quite handy.

 

[Mgdoug3]

The GW ratcheting ones are terrible. I thought they would be handy. I tried one and think I was able to break loose one or two injectors out of 6. Ordered a metric set of SK minutes later.

I have (4) 12 point line wrenches that are Snap-on, although one is a duplicate, from probably the 70s. The 3/4 works 95% of the time on 19mm injector lines but I did have it slip one time. The 12 point is handy in tight places but if the nut is really tight or corroded, 6 point is the better choice.

 

[colintrax]

Ok ok, that's it! Out of money to spend on this!
On its way to us:
Snap-On
SK
Matco (TW)
Irwin vicegrip style
Cresent (already purchased them before the above comment, but always good to show if something IS bad)
Gearwrench
Gearwrench ratcheting (because I think it's a terrible idea and want to know how terrible)
Craftsman (new)
Craftsman (old, raised panel)
Haven't purchase Quinn yet because I dont think they sell individuals at HF? Though the set isn't exactly expensive.

And also a bunch of materials, such as the smaller sizes but long GR8 bolts needed to fit our rig, grade 2 nuts to simulate a soft mushy hex to see which round 1st at what torque. But we'll also be testing and measuring vs the ASME standard using the ASME process for that, determining proof torque and hardness.

This will take awhile though, and we have a handful of For Science episodes we havent finished testing yet, so don't expect it right away.
Oh yeah, and our 9-5 jobs

What about these? People might be upset if you destroy an old Bonney set but Wright makes these new (at a higher price)
https://www.harryepstein.com/9-16-ratcheting-flare-nut-wrench.html

3 Piece Ratcheting Flarenut Wrench Set Bonney (BON40)

3 Piece Ratcheting Flarenut Wrench Set Bonney

www.harryepstein.com

 

[Mr_B]

Now listen here, if you think flattery will get you anywhere with me... you're absolutely right.
Done.

Good man, be interesting and useful results ... and a lot cheaper than your usual test subjects .
Happy new year ...

 

[Mr_B]

Ok ok, that's it! Out of money to spend on this!
On its way to us:
Snap-On
SK
Matco (TW)
Irwin vicegrip style
Cresent (already purchased them before the above comment, but always good to show if something IS bad)
Gearwrench
Gearwrench ratcheting (because I think it's a terrible idea and want to know how terrible)
Craftsman (new)
Craftsman (old, raised panel)
Haven't purchase Quinn yet because I dont think they sell individuals at HF? Though the set isn't exactly expensive.

And also a bunch of materials, such as the smaller sizes but long GR8 bolts needed to fit our rig, grade 2 nuts to simulate a soft mushy hex to see which round 1st at what torque. But we'll also be testing and measuring vs the ASME standard using the ASME process for that, determining proof torque and hardness.

This will take awhile though, and we have a handful of For Science episodes we haven't finished testing yet, so don't expect it right away.
Oh yeah, and our 9-5 jobs

The Quinn looks likely same Taiwan manufacturer as the Carlyle to me ...
We can wait 9-5 jobs **** lol ... although yours probably not the worst lol .

 

[cjarvis]

Thank you! I can’t wait to see the results.

Ok ok, that's it! Out of money to spend on this!
On its way to us:
Snap-On
SK
Matco (TW)
Irwin vicegrip style
Cresent (already purchased them before the above comment, but always good to show if something IS bad)
Gearwrench
Gearwrench ratcheting (because I think it's a terrible idea and want to know how terrible)
Craftsman (new)
Craftsman (old, raised panel)
Haven't purchase Quinn yet because I dont think they sell individuals at HF? Though the set isn't exactly expensive.

And also a bunch of materials, such as the smaller sizes but long GR8 bolts needed to fit our rig, grade 2 nuts to simulate a soft mushy hex to see which round 1st at what torque. But we'll also be testing and measuring vs the ASME standard using the ASME process for that, determining proof torque and hardness.

This will take awhile though, and we have a handful of For Science episodes we havent finished testing yet, so don't expect it right away.
Oh yeah, and our 9-5 jobs

 

[timtupper]

I’ll be impressed if anything is better than the snap on.

 

[kudakev615]

What about these? People might be upset if you destroy an old Bonney set but Wright makes these new (at a higher price)
https://www.harryepstein.com/9-16-ratcheting-flare-nut-wrench.html

3 Piece Ratcheting Flarenut Wrench Set Bonney (BON40)

3 Piece Ratcheting Flarenut Wrench Set Bonney

www.harryepstein.com

he already said they were out money. but im sure they'd gladly test that wrench if you wanted to pay for it with your own money and have it shipped to them

 

[Odd-job]

Ok ok, that's it! Out of money to spend on this!
On its way to us:
Snap-On
SK
Matco (TW)
Irwin vicegrip style
Cresent (already purchased them before the above comment, but always good to show if something IS bad)
Gearwrench
Gearwrench ratcheting (because I think it's a terrible idea and want to know how terrible)
Craftsman (new)
Craftsman (old, raised panel)
Haven't purchase Quinn yet because I dont think they sell individuals at HF? Though the set isn't exactly expensive.

And also a bunch of materials, such as the smaller sizes but long GR8 bolts needed to fit our rig, grade 2 nuts to simulate a soft mushy hex to see which round 1st at what torque. But we'll also be testing and measuring vs the ASME standard using the ASME process for that, determining proof torque and hardness.

This will take awhile though, and we have a handful of For Science episodes we havent finished testing yet, so don't expect it right away.
Oh yeah, and our 9-5 jobs

Looking forward to this. Does it make sense to also add regular locking pliers to the mix while you are at it? Irwins (Chinese) vs Bremens (Taiwanese) vs Malco Eaglegrips (USA) maybe vs Grip-ons (Spain).

Since I am late to the party here, the budget is already spoken for, and you saved me from wasting money on Tite reaches I am happy to help personally sponsor these additions until you make enough money to quit your day job to live off of Youtube...

 

[cjarvis]

I’ll be impressed if anything is better than the snap on.

I suspect you’re right, but the results will be interesting regardless.

 

[Bacon!]

I’ll be impressed if anything is better than the snap on.

Almost everything is better than Snap On, when the purpose is getting the job done instead of wasting money.

The video reviews can sometimes have a ridiculous premise, that whatever performs the best wins, when ultimate performance is hardly ever necessary if using tools for intended purpose.

Snap On is about the old boy network, tool trucks, financing ignorant kids new to a trade, and frankly a disgusting antique model of tool distribution that should have died decades ago.

The main thing I know about people who own a lot of Snap On is, they have low intelligence and couldn't decide what was a better value so just wasted money.

The exception is collecting tools as a hobby. It's a far better way to invest/waste money than some hobbies, and buying high end beats buying low end, throwing them away and spending nearly as much to buy replacements, except that it's supported the ole boy network price gouging, which is a model that society can't sustain now that the middle class in US is disappearing.

Meh, it just rubs me the wrong way, I would never try to take advantage of people like that.

 

[qqzj]

Almost everything is better than Snap On, when the purpose is getting the job done instead of wasting money.

The video reviews can sometimes have a ridiculous premise, that whatever performs the best wins, when ultimate performance is hardly ever necessary if using tools for intended purpose.

Snap On is about the old boy network, tool trucks, financing ignorant kids new to a trade, and frankly a disgusting antique model of tool distribution that should have died decades ago.

The main thing I know about people who own a lot of Snap On is, they have low intelligence and couldn't decide what was a better value so just wasted money. That money, somebody is worse off for it being wasted whether absorbed through products or services, or the owner's family, money does not just float away if not spent wrecklessly.

If you think you need Snap On, you are incompetent. If it is instead a hobby to collect what you hope are the best tools available, that's a whole different ballgame and not a bad hobby to have compared to some, but that doesn't make them better in a relevant way, more like precious coveted items with nothing to do with whether fit for purpose, kind of like collecting Rolex watches.

With respect to collection value, snap on is definitely worse than craftsman. They are more expensive, but the appreciation is much worse.

 

[Bacon!]

^ I have some old Craftsman, but would never consider selling them as collectibles. The whole thing strikes me as absurb and I want no part of that madness. I'm talking about merely investing in quality tools instead of wasting money, just enough quality to use a lifetime and pass down to children... which is how I acquired my oldest Craftsman.

 

[timtupper]

Almost everything is better than Snap On, when the purpose is getting the job done instead of wasting money.

The video reviews can sometimes have a ridiculous premise, that whatever performs the best wins, when ultimate performance is hardly ever necessary if using tools for intended purpose.

Snap On is about the old boy network, tool trucks, financing ignorant kids new to a trade, and frankly a disgusting antique model of tool distribution that should have died decades ago.

The main thing I know about people who own a lot of Snap On is, they have low intelligence and couldn't decide what was a better value so just wasted money. The problem with that is, if someone is low intelligence, but buying luxury things, someone else is paying for it one way or another, whether customers or family. It stinks.

The exception is collecting tools as a hobby. It's a far better way to invest/waste money than some hobbies, and buying high end beats buying low end, throwing them away and spending nearly as much to buy replacements, except that it's supported the ole boy network price gouging, which is a model that society can't sustain now that the middle class in US is disappearing.

Meh, it just rubs me the wrong way, I would never try to take advantage of people like that.

lol

 

[Handyandy23]

It's not just "buying a few extra wrenches", to get every brand imaginable and 30x of each. It'd take him multiple times as long to do the testing.

Why would someone with a formula that works for getting views, want to reduce his video production rate to a fraction of what it is, in order to satisfy a minority of viewers who would stop watching because they feel the testing isn't thorough enough? Even so, he's ambitious for trying to read all video comments, so mention it in video comments.

I see it as meant for entertainment value, and often it seems like PF is trying to hold back laughing his **** off at the ridiculousness of it all. Bacon grease as motor oil. Maybe he should have bought more brands of bacon. Enough said.

FWIW I wasn't suggesting he needed a 30 piece sample size, that was just for reference to how actual testing happens in manufacturing facilities. Someone suggested buying sets of each and measuring each size to compare to nominal, which would at least give some data on how tight the QC is.

Agreed though it's more about production and views than anything. Which I guess is another valid point - current videos are like 20 minutes long as it is, and if he actually went into more detail with multiple pieces that would probably bore most people.

 

[2ndGearRubber]

FWIW, peak gripping torque and what not arent really realistic tests for flare nut wrenches.

What matters is if they round the soft tube nut on the brake line. Who cares if it can output 100ft/lb? The tube nut rounding is almost always the limiting factor.

 

[Mgdoug3]

Almost everything is better than Snap On, when the purpose is getting the job done instead of wasting money.

The video reviews can sometimes have a ridiculous premise, that whatever performs the best wins, when ultimate performance is hardly ever necessary if using tools for intended purpose.

Snap On is about the old boy network, tool trucks, financing ignorant kids new to a trade, and frankly a disgusting antique model of tool distribution that should have died decades ago.

The main thing I know about people who own a lot of Snap On is, they have low intelligence and couldn't decide what was a better value so just wasted money. The problem with that is, if someone is low intelligence, but buying luxury things, someone else is paying for it one way or another, whether customers or family. It stinks.

The exception is collecting tools as a hobby. It's a far better way to invest/waste money than some hobbies, and buying high end beats buying low end, throwing them away and spending nearly as much to buy replacements, except that it's supported the ole boy network price gouging, which is a model that society can't sustain now that the middle class in US is disappearing.

Meh, it just rubs me the wrong way, I would never try to take advantage of people like that.

If I can get a job done faster or have a higher rate of success (like when using line wrenches) because of a Snap-on tool I'll definitely look into buying said tool. Saying people who have a lot of Snap-on tools are ignorant is just showing your bias and also your ignorance. Some people buy Snap-on because it's top of line, ease of warranty, access to a tool truck or sometimes they just like to buy nice tools they know will last.

 

[VolvoRyan]

FWIW, peak gripping torque and what not arent really realistic tests for flare nut wrenches.

What matters is if they round the soft tube nut on the brake line. Who cares if it can output 100ft/lb? The tube nut rounding is almost always the limiting factor.

This is my thought exactly. The nature of the fittings is definitely a part of the puzzle. Flare nuts on hardened bolts is cheating.

-Ryan

 

[Torque Test Channel]

There's going to be zero hard bolts or nuts we're testing

1) Grade 2 standard nuts in 2 sizes threaded onto grade 8 bolts (turning the nut registers torque, we're calibrating to torque wrenches)
2) Grade A coupling nuts in 2 sizes (which should be even softer steel but wider, with more threads that might survive to allow rounding to happen first)
3) Custom aluminum nuts we're ordering in the fine thread sizes we need
The bolts these thread onto are grade 8 to survive while the nuts die from rounding at whatever torque the wrench can persuade it to get to
4) Then the wrench is affixed in a vice and a hard as nails S2 tool steel die/bit socket is used to measure torque to cam-out or break the tool per AMSE testing standard

Just FYI won't be checking back on this thread now, have other projects to work on and this thread costs us more $ each time I look at it!