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earlthegoat2

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You need license to have a garage sale in Cali.

I honestly dont even care if the above is true. I will believe it regardless.

Ill stop now. California is way to easy.
 
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epmills

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Ya right, if they tell you that they're full of ****. I know service advisors making over 100K though.

No, not full of ****. Its common to see 160-210hrs in a pay period (pay period is typically 2 weeks). That at 25.**/hr + 2.00/hr for every hour over 40/week makes for easily 6 figures.
 

Lowridermig

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I'm alittle under the $27 mark. I get most of the heavy stuff that comes in the door plus most of the screw ups That our over paid tire installers make happen. In the end I make what I work.(work 50 make 50-55 a week) Most of the time I come out on top. But some times the bear does get me. I work for one of the big chain stores which I choose to keep name less
and what they do is hire alot of young fresh outta school kids And expect that the "MASTER" tech them.(sure let me tech you how to make $$$$) I do tell them go on alldata print it out if you can't do it then call me most of the time they get it or give up I win either way.
 

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I made two figures go back and read my posts again. I'm saying 30 is probably average for a journeyman master tech not 45 so that figure doesn't even matter.

If you think you can make over 100K go try it then, I'm 15 years into this so called "career" and can't do it and I'm in CA., I have just about every cert. there is in my field, state smog license, Master Honda factory trained.

Fact of the matter is the industry has changed. Most cars have less and less maintenance required, timing belts have been replaced with chains, spark plugs are over 100K intervals and are coil on plug so no more tune-ups. It's less and less about maintenance and more and more warranty and check check check BS that doesn't pay.

I read both your posts again. Yes while 45 an hour may be more then just about any domectic/import tech will make it was still a figure you put out saying a tech making 45 an hour flagging 80 hours a week would make 80k a year which is wrong and you fail to admit that.

Then i went back and reread your second post, which your next statement makes even less sense because you tried to say even though you said 45 an hour 80 hours a week you actually ment 30 an hour at 120 hours a month and i even misread that the first time because 120 hours a month is 30 hours a week and i thought it was 40.

I never said anything about making 100k you did. I said a realistic master tech is paid roughly 30 an hour working for the most part a 10 hour day(that's working 50 hours a week) should flag on average 60 hours a week. There may be days you only flag 5-8 hours, but then there will be days where you get gravy and rip out 13-15 hours a day.

I've seen plenty of non hack techs pull off 60 hours a week it's all dependent car count, on how good of an inspection they do, how quickly they can get the work done and how good of a sales team they have.

What does being in California have to do with being a tech, let alone being certified, you took class's you passed test's. From what I can tell about your logic and reasoning I highly doubt your a good tech.

Read maintenance schedules inspect replace as needed. So you may not have intervals but you do your inspections make honest recommendations and have technically knowledgeable service writers who can properly explain your rec and answers customers questions.

Not all tune up's are 100k that's for iridium tipped plugs only and only like 30% of cars use iridium plugs plus plugs still get fouled out they don't need to burn out. Coppers are still 30k, platinum's are 60k, and what do you mean coil on plug set ups don't need tune ups, they still have plugs, if anything their better because wires break removing them all the time or the rubber splits and you get a misfire.
 

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i've been flate raped at both ford and cheby dealer ships and will never go that route again.and the auto care center that i manage and do most of the diagnostics at is slow as hell right now,last week was steady,not great but steady.but this week -nothin! it's kinda scary right now.
 

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The auto care center that i manage and do most of the diagnostics at is slow as hell right now,last week was steady,not great but steady.but this week -nothin! it's kinda scary right now.

Lots of places near me (London) are complaining about being slow, having no work. I've been solid for the past month, booked up 4 days in advance. At least 3 cars a day. (It's just me at the shop.) I have 5 cars tomorrow too. The guy next door to me has been dead quiet the past two weeks. I have to leave usually around 11pm to get everything finished for the next day!
 

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I would guess you have a very strong reputation for being fair and the bulk of your work comes through repeat business and referral?

Lots of places near me (London) are complaining about being slow, having no work. I've been solid for the past month, booked up 4 days in advance. At least 3 cars a day. (It's just me at the shop.) I have 5 cars tomorrow too. The guy next door to me has been dead quiet the past two weeks. I have to leave usually around 11pm to get everything finished for the next day!
 

earlthegoat2

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Lots of places near me (London) are complaining about being slow, having no work. I've been solid for the past month, booked up 4 days in advance. At least 3 cars a day. (It's just me at the shop.) I have 5 cars tomorrow too. The guy next door to me has been dead quiet the past two weeks. I have to leave usually around 11pm to get everything finished for the next day!

Might need to start subcontracting to the shop next door. But that just opens up a whole new range of possibilities and unfortunately, problems. Probably more problems than profit.
 
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Lotek

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Might need to start subcontracting to the shop next door. But that just opens up a whole new range of possibilities and unfortunately, problems. Probably more problems than profit.

There is a reason some guys are standing around while others are busy...

My boss is running a contest right now, you get a $10 gas card each day that you beat 9 hours, he posts winners each morning, two of us have won each day, one guy hasn't won once...

I complain that I have a sh** magnet stuck to my toolbox, but it helps when things get slow to be the guy who doesn't turn down work. I always seem to have a job in the corner stall for someone who has more time than money and is willing to wait for me to fit it in when things get slow.
 
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There is a reason some guys are standing around while others are busy...

My boss is running a contest right now, you get a $10 gas card each day that you beat 9 hours, he posts winners each morning, two of us have won each day, one guy hasn't won once...

I complain that I have a sh** magnet stuck to my toolbox, but it helps when things get slow to be the guy who doesn't turn down work. I always seem to have a job in the corner stall for someone who has more time than money and is willing to wait for me to fit it in when things get slow.

hey customers BOHICA
we used to have the added lines contest , added lines to the repair order
 

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Guys I know with shops usually have a few backburner jobs, but they take up space, and sometimes when you want them out the door nothing else gets done until they are out. Gas station near me made it really work. He constantly bought and sold cars, great location on the corner in the lot of a big grocery store, one or two with For Sale signs out front, and rest parked around behind the station. He ran 4 bays, two in front, two in back and subcontracted all the labor with the agreement that his cars got fixed cheap when business was slow. He made some serious money out of a gas station, lots of it in cash too.
 

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Reviving an old thread.

A similar thread in the free parking forum cropped up interest. Would be interesting to see what some of the folks that posted in this thread are doing nowadays.
 

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I work at a Land Rover dealership, they hardly have any labour times in the book for things that actually need to be replaced/rebuilt on the newer models. pretty much anything after '05 in inaccurate/nonexistent.

RTS is fair. Times .10 for customer pay. Just be sure to include everything in your stories. Rover pays a lot of stuff other brands don't.



Fellow Gold tech here. Jag/Rover
 

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i made a change at work from hourly to flat rate and dont regret it. i get paid 8 hours for holidays, sick payand vacation paid. when it slows down i go home and do sidejobs. i dont feel guilty like when i had to play pocket pool for a few hours
 

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I worked flat rate/commission as a Auto Body Tech for several years at a couple of Shops. My experience was mixed. First shop was great, plenty of work and management was honest. Second shop was not. The management/owners would routinely write an estimate for the customer and one for the Tech doing the job. They would shave anywhere from 10-40% from the job on our work order. So instead of splitting a 10 hour job 40/60 (per hourly rate) with the Tech, they would shave it to 7.5 or 8 hours and pocket the other 2. Once I found out I quit. If you can find a good honest managers/owners with enough work then working flat rate is the best. Otherwise stick with hourly.
 

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This guy is part of the problem for our profession...

Right off the bat he is in violation of Ca. state law, No signed estimate before work is started. No updated estimate after inspection, no communication with the customer, and is willing to cut corners on safety items. I'd be willing to bet he has never worked anywhere else, no formal training, doesn't keep up on the latest technology, and has outdated diagnostic equipment. Maybe he has a subscription to Alldata or some other service information service, but most likely he wings it. Usually he gets it right, but on occasion he buries the car in parts until he gives up and has the customer take it to the dealer, who finds a bad ground...

I dont have a sign out, dont even have a work order though and my customers tell me whats wrong and to take care of its like its my own which means they do not get pegged for work they dont need, if there is an upsell there is a reason, I had one come n for work the other day for something and didnt do what he asked but put in radius arm bush and I dont have to call him to fix a broken exhaust joint.

One of the best outfits in town now closed due to retirement never used work orders either, the one across the street follows all the rules,,, all the way to court continiously and fighting with the vendors,,, but they dot the I's, my bud,,, NEVER sued.

Its a local thing in a small town,,, everybody knows, if someone said they were taking the bud to court local consensus would be,,, wtf?
 
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NineFingerFury

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Here's something that helped open my eyes to what flat rate guys have to deal with.

No thanks. I make a flat $700/mo before tax as a (more than) full time pastor (couldn't do it if I wasn't 100% disabled through VA) and I wouldn't trade it for anything.

(Eric The Car Guy)
 

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I wouldnt want to be an auto mechanic, it would get old fast and to tell the truth all the gizmo stuff doesnt interest me. The only part that does is the concept of matching men, tools and machines where they belong together to solve a problem,, it really doesnt matter what the problem is, its more of a getting what I want issue.

I like a an earlier part of this thread where someone hit on part of being a mechanic, really at the root of it which is modifying your surroundings. Its a bit of the reason I spun off left handed when the issue with the shop teacher and the hoist came up.

No offense,,,, but,,,,,, the reason I ninvest in my own shop and infrastructure is so I dont have to take it to guys like you. Business and dealers like yours. Dealer installed,,, doesnt mean it still want some kids first day or done by substandard help,,, like the guy next to you that you complain about,,, only half are above average.

Even good contractors I cant get the kind of service I can on my own equipment,,, and if it was taking it to the dealer for a bad ground,,, so be it, I tell a couple people,,, take it to dealer for drivability issues where everyone and brother has looked etc, some people got good luck with dealers too, if a freind asked me how to have car serviced I would highly reccomend she go out of her way to source a local similar to one in this thread, sells you work you do need when you need it,

As was said, (amd same here) and oil change in my shop is 75$ but you get a good look see. Wheels off, drums pulled, fuss the brakes if they need, make sure they are working, if they need something beyond a look I add it to the bill. Rotate tires, if I find the battery a real mess I add small charges, if I find something where I earned my keep, something that was to stall this car I charge for it and if I save them a 300$ part I got no interest in selling I charge for it, I repair exhaust hangers, weld up joints, I got kind of a flat rate thing for that a 25/50 thing but the rest of the system is good I make a good repair, a job I am extremely proffecient at.

I aint no good with the puter and scanner, I would struggle and have my master do what minor we need to do, I can solve some problems and work thru them for our own interests, last thing I would do is hang my shingle out with a drawer full of 10K$ meters I could care less about using when I can sell a strait up repair like the exhaust hanger or clean some battery terminals, put in a wheel bearing over a weekend where I can charge a little premium without robbing the customer.

The salesman,,, owner in many cases developes some truct with the customer, as I said, dont always do what they ask but they trust we will give them what they need.
 

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:rocker:Figured I'd jump into this thread as well...I work at a small indie shop in a small town. My boss has numerous years experience in the field as a tech, service manager, and shop foreman. I get the feeling he knows how it is to be screwed by superiors in this field and he does a fantastic job of making sure that doesn't happen in his shop. Technically I'm his only full-time tech but he also works on cars and we have some other folks that work part time a couple days a week doing odd jobs around the shop, cleaning, helping me, and occasionally simple things like oil changes and tire repairs.

I'm pretty happy with what I'm paid and how I'm paid, at the end of a pay period all my clock hours are added up and then my flag time is subtracted from that, I get paid my flag time and then what's left at an hourly rate, and if I flag more than I clock I get paid for my flag time only. So I'm getting something no matter what which is good, most places around here won't do that. Plus my boss takes very good care of us which I hear a lot of folks say many places don't do.

We do normal repairs and maintenance like any other shop but we also do restoration work and projects. Since it's hard to come up with flag time on some of these my boss comes up with a number and always asks if that's ok with me, and if I feel it should pay more I say so and we compromise. We are also a very honest shop and have a good QC system where we double check each other's work. Not a bad idea considering I just graduated college last May and have a little over 1 year working in the field experience, so sometimes it's good to have a more experienced eye check what I'm doing.

Overall I'm pretty happy where I'm at for a newbie...all the stories I've heard about dealers makes me really not ever want to work at one...spent 7.5 years in the military and was treated like **** so I'm not in a huge rush to go back to that anymore.
 
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