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On a related note, Kobalt is going through a big tool refresh on the 24v line. Chervon (owner of Flex) is the OEM for the Kobalt power tools.

Part of this refresh is incorporating USB-C charging similar to the Skil batteries. Part of this issue may just be that there's too much overlap in Lowe's tool department. If you look at a lot of the recent Kobalt 24v offerings (especially the XTR line), they are more or less blue Flex tools. Some internal components may be cheaper on the Kobalt offering, but there's been no confirmation one way or another.
 
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I agree that there was (is) too much overlap between Kobalt 24V and FLEX 24V. Certain Kobalt tools are virtually identical to the FLEX equivalents (jobsite blower, flood light, fan). Certain tools are frustratingly available from Kobalt, but not from FLEX (spotlight, inflator, multi-material cutter, etc.) And now Kobalt has a fairly comprehensive line of OPE, but nothing from FLEX.

The main distinguishing "pro" factor between Kobalt and FLEX seems to be the substantially better FLEX batteries (stacked lithium) and chargers.
 

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Certain tools are frustratingly available from Kobalt, but not from FLEX (spotlight, inflator, multi-material cutter, etc.) And now Kobalt has a fairly comprehensive line of OPE, but nothing from FLEX.

I would assume there's no Flex OPE because then they'd be directly competing with their specialty OPE brand Ego. They could also just rebrand Ego as Flex, but why create another marketing expense, especially since Flex has essentially no name recognition in the US?
 

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I would assume there's no Flex OPE because then they'd be directly competing with their specialty OPE brand Ego. They could also just rebrand Ego as Flex, but why create another marketing expense, especially since Flex has essentially no name recognition in the US?
That would make sense, except Chervon has OPE under both SKIL and Kobalt branding.

I like Chervon's tools, but I don't understand their fragmented branding.
 

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That would make sense, except Chervon has OPE under both SKIL and Kobalt branding.

I like Chervon's tools, but I don't understand their fragmented branding.

Except neither of them directly compete with Ego as only a premium brand. It's like saying that Milwaukee and Ryobi both sell cordless drills which doesn't make sense. Sure, but Milwaukee is marketed to professionals and Ryobi is primarily DIYer. Pretty much all of Ego's products are premium priced; the opposite is true of Kobalt and Skil.
 

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I was told a couple times in my past conversations that Flex tool sales were poor in more regions than it sold well in.
I wouldn't hold my breath on it returning to in store sales at Lowes this year. I would be willing to bet that most of the reset's and products have already been arranged for the year.
 

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I was told a couple times in my past conversations that Flex tool sales were poor in more regions than it sold well in.
I wouldn't hold my breath on it returning to in store sales at Lowes this year. I would be willing to bet that most of the reset's and products have already been arranged for the year.

I have one friend that bought into Flex because he had to be different. And he will now learn the cost of being different. Following the herd makes sense in a lot of instances, especially when "different" doesn't offer any real superiority.

I've NEVER seen anyone using Flex in the real world. As I think I said on page one, they probably had 1% of the cordless tool market in the US.
 

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I have one friend that bought into Flex because he had to be different. And he will now learn the cost of being different. Following the herd makes sense in a lot of instances, especially when "different" doesn't offer any real superiority.

I've NEVER seen anyone using Flex in the real world. As I think I said on page one, they probably had 1% of the cordless tool market in the US.
Sad but true.I really wanted to support them, I like the idea of more quality competition

These days tho it's really a gamble. "Optimization" ie profits; specifically short term are driving all the decisions

Not many big cooperate consumer goods companies have a clear big picture game plans for capturing buyers and retaining them long term

Again, bummer. What really caught my attention was the Flex In-Line circsaw, super slim body and motor up out of the way.
Hopefully somebody else copies it soon

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FLEX attempted to do "Mission Impossible." Whereas Tom Cruise can usually pull this off, very few other "entities" ever succeed on this mission. Like the tape did this effort will self destruct in 10 seconds.
 

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I have one friend that bought into Flex because he had to be different. And he will now learn the cost of being different
I think the bigger deal is "Does (or Did) it have everything you could want/need already out"? If so, then your friend probably got some smoking deals on all kinds of stuff, hopefully stocked up, and is set for the short/mid term.

I have batteries running that are 10+yrs old, and not worried if the company doesn't make anything new, as the existing works well enough for me. Heck, my 12v platform is CM Nextec, which hasn't had a new tool in at least a decade, but the 15+ batteries (from corporate sales/yard sales/clearance) have accumulated still run things just fine. The tools all still function, and for most of the important ones, I have at least 2x, so if one dies, no big deal.

So I don't get the "You have to buy into a brand that will continue to innovate", if you are happy enough with what is out there. By the time I replace what I have, Red/Yellow will have 8 different generations, and I will have paid less than a single generation of those for the same.
 
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I've NEVER seen anyone using Flex in the real world. As I think I said on page one, they probably had 1% of the cordless tool market in the US

THIS.

I’ve never seen anyone in my primary field using anything from Flex. I’ve seen ONE guy on a job site a few years back using a FLEX inline saw, but that’s it.

When anyone I know see’s my stuff and they ask, I get one of the below responses:

1.) Never heard of them.
2.) Is that an Amazon cheapo brand?
3.) Why are they that terrible color?
4.) I never saw them @ Lowes
5.) Chevron makes power tools? (lol, it’s Chervon)
6.) You should have bought “X” instead (usually Milwaukee, DeWalt or Makita)

Oh well. I have my Milwaukee, Makita and Hercules stuff to fall back on. Sure, the brand may continue, but I don’t see that happening long term. Chervon will probably drop the brand and invest the next gen ODM into the Kobalt or EGO line.
 

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I have one friend that bought into Flex because he had to be different. And he will now learn the cost of being different. Following the herd makes sense in a lot of instances, especially when "different" doesn't offer any real superiority.

I've NEVER seen anyone using Flex in the real world. As I think I said on page one, they probably had 1% of the cordless tool market in the US.
There is FLEX, and there is FLEX cordless.
Both are owned by the same company.
FLEX at one point was, and may still be, one of the high end names in auto detailing for polishers.
Porter Cable at one point owned FLEX, and the Porter Cable polisher was the cheaper FLEX alternative.
After Black & Decker bought Porter Cable/Delta, FLEX hot sold off, and purchased by Chervon, who had likely already been manufacturing some cordless tools for FLEX, and also doing manufacturing for other brands like Bosch, (and probably still are).
Chervon also bought the Skil brand from Bosch.

As far as the 24v line goes, I suspect that was to separate out the FLEX tools sold at Lowes from the 18v FLEX cordless tools sold to industrial suppliers that sell the fairly expensive FLEX polishers to detailers, and maybe other industrial FLEX tool dealers.
Given some of the tests Torque Test Channel guy has done using higher voltage batteries in tools designated for lower voltages, I sort of wonder if the 24v batteries could be used in other tools if an adapter was supplied. (Preferably a fairly slim adapter since a lot of aftermarket adapters are sort of big).
The newer cordless tools FLEX is coming out with look nice.
Various obscure Chinese tool brands seem to be doing well on Amazon, so if Lowes ditches FLEX 24v tools, maybe Chervon will just start selling the tools thru Amazon if no other major retailer takes the FLEX brand.
Alternatively, maybe Lowes will simply have adapters made so that the Kobalt 24v batteries can be used on FLEX tools, or vice versa, since Lowes has done that with some of their weird Kobalt hand tools in the past.
 

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I’ve picked up the Flex mid-torque impact wrench, band saw, brad nailer during the big fire sale. I’m happy with my purchase as these power tools deliver good performance just like the red/yellow/teal so no regrets. Stacked batteries are a bit big but have been reliable. Super low price for the Brad nailer allowed me to finally go cordless and consider dumping the air tools. No matter where Flex goes these tools are up to the job.
 

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I’ve picked up the Flex mid-torque impact wrench, band saw, brad nailer during the big fire sale. I’m happy with my purchase as these power tools deliver good performance just like the red/yellow/teal so no regrets. Stacked batteries are a bit big but have been reliable. Super low price for the Brad nailer allowed me to finally go cordless and consider dumping the air tools. No matter where Flex goes these tools are up to the job.
The smallest-capacity stacked batteries (FLEX or otherwise) are where it's at for many tools. The FLEX 2.0ah stacked battery is very small but is still rated at 960 watts output. That battery is a similar form factor but almost double the output compared to the Bosch 18V 4.0ah battery (about 540 watts output) that I have typically used on small tools like drills, drivers, and saws.

I'm very curious to see if FLEX will introduce batteries with tabless cells. It makes sense that they would, and Chervon has already done so with EGO.
 

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So a little update. It appears as though the new Kobalt 48v OPE and at least some of the other accessories are actually produced by Globe (Greenworks).

There’s no confirmation that Chervon is out entirely as the 24v OEM, but stock on a lot of current Kobalt is low and the new releases all appear to come from Globe.

I wonder if Lowe’s and Chervon are severing ties entirely. Lowe’s is Ego’s biggest retail partner and Lowe’s stealing Ego from HD was a big change.
 
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So a little update. It appears as though the new Kobalt 48v OPE and at least some of the other accessories are actually produced by Globe (Greenworks).

There’s no confirmation that Chervon is out entirely as the 24v OEM, but stock on a lot of current Kobalt is low and the new releases all appear to come from Globe.

It appears that Lowes is moving away from Chervon and that most of the new Kobalt stuff is coming from Globe Tool Group (Greenworks). Lowes dropped FLEX and Skil, both Chervon brands and selling several EGO products at a discount.

I'm wondering if Lowes has already dumped Chervon altogether at this point, only allowing Ego to sell out next like they did with FLEX and Skil?
 

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I don't think we should turn this into a Kobalt or Chervon or Lowes thread. IMO, what Lowe's is or isn't doing with Kobalt, Ego, Skil, etc. is beyond the scope of this thread.

With that said, there is good evidence that new Kobalt 24V tools made by Chervon are coming to Lowe's shortly. They were displayed / demoed at the recent Lowe's manager meeting in Vegas. It appears that both Greenworks and Chervon will be suppliers for Kobalt 24V.

Back on topic: FLEX has new "coming soon" listings on their website for extended nailer magazines.

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FLEX is common on construction sites around here. FWIW, the data suggests their market share is in the 8% range.

Dude, please; Flex sales are maybe 0.8% in the US. You don't actually have much credibility in this thread after claiming over and over that Flex was coming back to Lowes. Are they still coming back to Lowes?
 

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I think the bigger deal is "Does (or Did) it have everything you could want/need already out"? If so, then your friend probably got some smoking deals on all kinds of stuff, hopefully stocked up, and is set for the short/mid term.

I have batteries running that are 10+yrs old, and not worried if the company doesn't make anything new, as the existing works well enough for me. Heck, my 12v platform is CM Nextec, which hasn't had a new tool in at least a decade, but the 15+ batteries (from corporate sales/yard sales/clearance) have accumulated still run things just fine. The tools all still function, and for most of the important ones, I have at least 2x, so if one dies, no big deal.

So I don't get the "You have to buy into a brand that will continue to innovate", if you are happy enough with what is out there. By the time I replace what I have, Red/Yellow will have 8 different generations, and I will have paid less than a single generation of those for the same.

He bought in when they started out at Lowes, so most of his stuff wasn't at the close out price. So, if you have Flex and want something new, do you keep buying Flex online and hoping it still exists in the US next year? At what point do you cut your losses?
 

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If you want something that Flex is currently making, the decision comes in to how much more investment it would take to start a new system. If it stops existing in the US next year, but you have tools/batteries that work, they will keep working. Stopping production doesn't make your investment suddenly worthless.

If Flex doesn't make the kind of thing you want, then it is easier to jump systems.

I feel like everything past the first paragraph you quoted answers your question from my opinion and experience...
 

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It appears that Lowes is moving away from Chervon and that most of the new Kobalt stuff is coming from Globe Tool Group (Greenworks). Lowes dropped FLEX and Skil, both Chervon brands and selling several EGO products at a discount.

I'm wondering if Lowes has already dumped Chervon altogether at this point, only allowing Ego to sell out next like they did with FLEX and Skil?
They just did a reset of all of the lawn tools at my
Lowes expanding the Ego section and putting it all behind locking glass doors to prevent pepple from stealing batteries out of the boxed tools.
Ego has the first 4 or 5 bays
 
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It appears that the last of FLEX tools is going away @ Lowes, at all three Lowes locations around me, the "Stackpack" stuff is all on clearance:

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There isn't a single FLEX power tool on the Lowes website any longer:

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@Dh3256, how is that FLEX restock coming you were preaching about? You said these would be back online in Q1 2026?

Nothing more specific than the restock that was expected by mid-January. Website shows FLEX as in-store only, and I expected the restock would be done by now, based on prior information, but it seems to be taking longer than expected. My local stores have a few restocks but have not yet fully restocked.
 

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These Stack Pack clearance prices are not great. Seems Lowes wised up after clearing the shelves the last time ;)
 

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These Stack Pack clearance prices are not great. Seems Lowes wised up after clearing the shelves the last time ;)

Agreed. I don't think the markup is there like it was with the power tools either.
 

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It appears that the last of FLEX tools is going away @ Lowes, at all three Lowes locations around me, the "Stackpack" stuff is all on clearance:

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There isn't a single FLEX power tool on the Lowes website any longer:

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@Dh3256, how is that FLEX restock coming you were preaching about? You said these would be back online in Q1 2026?
I thought all of the issue's with the contract were resolved.
Don't worry maybe 2027 will be the year.
 

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Agreed. I don't think the markup is there like it was with the power tools either.
I have friends here that last year rushed to buy two dewalt batteries for $99. I dont remember the Ah size battery but they were around $200 each. And Lowes accidently listed them online and order for pick up at 2 for $99 when it really was meant to be $199. I mentioned it the SB&D Rep and he laughed and said Lowes still made money off of that mistake.
The Flex packouts clear out I could see coming. I have been asking since after Christmas and no consistent answer like on my post #98 from Lowes own Zebra and MST App showing put any Dewalt items in place of cleared out Flex products.
I get mixed answers of Craftsman and Klein pack outs replacing them.
 

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Agreed. I don't think the markup is there like it was with the power tools either.
I've read that Lowe's has the option of returning to vendor for credit so maybe they won't be going on crazy clearance as seen in the past. Don't know whether that claim is true.
 

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I've read that Lowe's has the option of returning to vendor for credit so maybe they won't be going on crazy clearance as seen in the past. Don't know whether that claim is true.
Couple weeks ago I attempted an online return of 3 unopened Flex tools that I no longer wanted. I was able to initiate a return online for 2 but one tool became no longer returnable despite the Lowes 90 day return policy. Someone probably was updating changes at the Lowes website removing any Flex tools. I didn’t bother trying in person as I was happy 2 of the Flex tools were credited. I saw my Flex(s) on the clearance rack later that day.
 

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I've read that Lowe's has the option of returning to vendor for credit so maybe they won't be going on crazy clearance as seen in the past. Don't know whether that claim is true.
Not many items from my understanding. It goes to clearance then after so many mark downs during an amount of time the items get donated.
Those and returns they determine that can not be resold get donated.
The donated party probably varies area to area but my local Lowes donates all of that stuff to my local Habitate for Humanity
 
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