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red vette mike

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i am nearing completion of my 31x54x12 garage addition. I am going to do some 'piddlin' on some old cars. Although I don't plan to paint in here, there might come a time where I would want to paint a vehicle. I am going to have 24 4 gang 4' Lithonia fixtures. My question is as regards safety issues with these type of lights. Do those type of lights create a safety (fire/explosion) concern? Thanks for any advice.
Mike
 
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yeah, unless they are totally enclosed you will go kaboom
I run them in my booth, but,,,,,,,,, I wouldnt be painting in a small garage without some modification and some understanding of how a booth works, how to clear the air. I would divide the garage with a curtain and rig up a fan system to draw the fumes out, there are several variations of this. Here is a start. http://dodconf.swri.org/2003Papers/Thelen.pdf This is the concept page, each garage would take some basic specialized design work, it may be simple, I have done it with plastic sheet and a couple of box fans to tune the air flow.
 

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Here are parts to my setup, a smaller version works well too. I used alum tubing for the rolls. I can tune the draw and even preheat some air in the winter. Its all stored with a winch up in the ceiling when not in use, can drop the curtains in a couple minutes.
 

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I can tune the airflow, I get hardly any overspray, it clears very well even doing a big job. You can design this in a 2 door garage with a little correct layout, do it well enough to paint a car.
 
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i like the booth, i had one built in a previous garage but wasnt able to drag it all to the new location. yours is nicer.
 
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red vette mike

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sberry: Thanks for your response. Is your fan an 'explosion proof' fan? I see that you are using fluorescent lights. These are not likely 'explosion proof' either-just like the majority of shops in the US. Sooner or later, I am going to do a bit of painting in the shop that I am building. I have the chance now to put in spray booth approved lighting. I am sure it is expensive. I wonder how many 'home shop' guys have all approved electrical appliances in the area that they do painting? Thanks,
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My fan is not explosion pruf but it is belt drive with the motor vented from the outside. My lights are not bomb proof either but dont reside in a big cloud of overspray. I can clear the air out the direction I want it to go without building up to dangerous levels. Thats really the key, its more than this fixture or that, its getting the booth to clear the air at the rate you want it to. I am pulling a negative pressure on the booth with no neg pressure on the building, fumes never come out of the booth, its being constantly drawn out. Mine looks simple and it is, in fact it works so well that I leave well enough alone. I was going to put a power winch on the curtain but the boat hand winch works fine. I have seen some makeshift setups over the years by body guys, some really crude and only one disaster that I can recall when a couple the old boys get drunk one night and gonna paint this car so they heat some paint on the stove,, hahaha, they start a fire somehow but I have seen clouds that you would have thought they go boom but you gotta get pretty rich. Most of the fires are not directly related to spraying but spilling a can of thinner, rags, etc No, mine isnt "approved" but its not haphazzard either. The fresh air intake essentially goes by the lighting, its really upwind. I could have sucked the air out the floor but I quick mounted the fan in my loading dock door which I rarely use, can close the door in cold weather, its super versatile. I only really need it a few times a year, its out of the way, small stuff I sit right inj front of the fan, even common spray cans sometimes, I painted a machine cover tonight, didnt even need to set up, just turn the fan on.
 

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One of those above I paint the whole tractor, parts and all in one pull. If I do the major first and then move in the parts down wind I can save on a lot of dirt. Painting a car or pickup is, its not flawless but the dirt isnt too bad, all depends on how thorough I feel like being and my patience.
 
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red vette mike

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sberry: Thanks for your responses. Your shop looks good. I am going to use regular fluorescent lights although I will put an explosion proof fan in my room to pull the vapors out. I will have some sort of filtering elements on the other end of the room to inflow. I think that the great majority of folks doing painting in a small home type garage do not have spray booth approved fixtures. You are correct, I think, that the most important thing is to move the vapors out.
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