Fooled by keyword spamming in ebay

[truckdriver]

I bid on an item just like this and didn't realize what it really was till it was too late to retract my bid.I put in my saved "Snap on torx" and this popped up and had 0 bids(now I know why) and the next morning when i checked My Ebay I realized what I had bought. My max bid was $20. I sent the seller a message asking him if we could work something out on thurs but he hasn't responded. This is what I emailed him
This item came up under my "Snap On" search and I didn't realize that it wasn't till after too much time passed to retract my bid. I don't want this at all. You offer a return policy so instead of shipping it and then having it returned, can we work something out? THX

I was thinking of just paying him $10 and let him keep his junk but since he won't respond back I'm thinking of not paying at all and taking a non paying bidder hit. He obviously relies on tricking buyers with his keyword spamming to sell his junk.
Should I just pay him and return them immediately and be out the shipping both ways or take the non paing bidder hit? I have always paid imediately or as soon as I could get back to my computer. What happens when I don't pay?
http://cgi.ebay.com/3-8-1-4-Dr-TORX...445?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item588e3c6bad

 

[Zrexxer]

"Return Policy" or not, I'd bet once that SOB has your money you'll never see it again. If the money's more important to you than your eBay reputation I'd say don't send him any money to begin with. I hate those cheating slobs, half the results you find are something like "Sockets Snap On to Handy Storage Rail." You could always try disputing it with eBay; the balance is definitely more in favor of the buyer than the seller with their current rules.

 

[canuckian]

torx, sockets, crowsfeet, etc "on snap in rail" - yep, almost got fooled myself a short while ago with one of those. I have my doubts that you'll be able to dispute it. I'd just see what the seller has to say and go from there. I'm sure they'll deny trying to make them look like actual Snap On items, but you never know until they reply. I don't know what a "non paying bidder" hit will do in other sellers' eyes but I'm betting it won't be smiled upon with future purchases, especially if your feedback count isn't that high.
the other option is to take your lumps, pay the seller, learn your mistake and you'll have spare set of torx sockets.

 

[Nealcrenshaw]

Rookie mistake,pay him and learn from it.

 

[treasureseeker]

I would have to see the ad to comment.

 

[Stephenw]

**** it up and pay. Hit him with negative feedback for keyword spam. Link to closed auction?

 

[y20dth]

don't pay. report him to ebay for misleading item description.

 

[t100]

you can try to get ebay involved, what can you lose?

http://cgi.ebay.com/390318259215?ru...&_trksid=m570&_nkw=390318259215&_fvi=1&_rdc=1

 

[91bronc300]

Scan a twenty dollar bill and email it to him. One misrepresentation deserves another

 

[treasureseeker]

I found the sockets on a Snap-On rail come from http://www.alibaba.com.

 

[JASTECH]

I would get Ebay in on it, send them the one sided emails ect. and you should get cleared of it.

Thanks, JASTECH

 

[truckdriver]

I added the link in OP to another auction he has for the same items. I always forget to add the links.

 

[truckdriver]

Rookie mistake,pay him and learn from it.

Member since 06 and %100 positive feedback of 84.

 

[NUTTSGT]

Rookie mistake,pay him and learn from it.

I'd agree with Mr Crenshaw

 

[Gpgtp]

Scan a twenty dollar bill and email it to him. One misrepresentation deserves another

While funny, this is actually considered counterfeiting. dO NOT do this! Pay and learn from your mistakes, or go ahead and try reporting to eBay!

 

[Catalyze]

I would just pay it....frame it on the wall of the shop/garage and learn from it. I have key word searched and gotten the same type of things before....tool rails. You would spend that much at Chili's on a Presidential Marguirita for your wife/girlfriend.
Craig

 

[W-Cummins]

There is no key word spam there ( snap in rail) and he CLEARLY states the brand of tools he is selling in the ad as J-N. Adjust your search to snap-on and it will not find this ad at all, and will still find Snap On.

William...

 

[treasureseeker]

With knowing ahead of time the ad is misleading its looks pretty clear to not be Snap on, but if I was doing a search for Snap On with 400 auctions to look at and I came across this ad it would be not so clear. I just did a search for Snap On TORX and the sellers current ad is in the list, even with the title having "Snap in" rather than Snap On.

I wonder if you can just pay for the item and not shipping as you don't want the item.

 

[chopper1]

**** it up to a learning experience and complete the deal.
As a side note, sellers can no longer give buyers negative feedback, been like that for years.
Also, use quotation marks [ "snap on" torx or "snapon" torx ] I'm sure that what you show in your OP "snap on torx" isn't the way it's in your search.

 

[csargents1546]

Almost got sucked in to one of those auction, for the same thing.

 

[Jim C.]

I hate to say it, but you bid on it without closely reading the description. Who's fault is that? I think you gotta pay for it.

 

[Hammer1963]

It's not the sellers responsility to read the add for you. Just pay the invoice and do the right thing. Learn from it and go on.

 

[truckdriver]

**** it up to a learning experience and complete the deal.
As a side note, sellers can no longer give buyers negative feedback, been like that for years.
Also, use quotation marks [ "snap on" torx or "snapon" torx ] I'm sure that what you show in your OP "snap on torx" isn't the way it's in your search.

"Snap on torx" is exactly how my search is set up and as of this moment it is the 20th result of 170 filtered by newly listed. He has 5 other items that come up in that search.I never thought of using the quotes around snap on to filter out the key word spamming. Thanks for the tip.

 

[therealwormey]

Almost got sucked in to one of those auction, for the same thing.

me too but i caught it before i bid,i hate assholes who use that and the ones that use LIKE mac ,LIKE snap on or the ones that say not mac,not snap on,,just more **** to look thru, i wish they would ban them for being misleading

 

[SMKS]

You can send a request to cancel the transaction. The seller clearly sells a lot of items, so they may not care about canceling one. Go to your purchase history, find the item, then go to "resolve a problem." You can request to cancel a transaction, but I haven't done it, so I don't know what the process is like. On most ebay requests, if the seller doesn't respond, they automatically rule in your favor.

It's strange that so many people want you to "**** it up" or "learn from" what is clearly a thinly-veiled scam. The seller is hoping buyers will be too timid to call him on his BS listings. In the last month he has had several complaints just like yours.

 

[srmofo]

its ebay....its going down like the hindenburg....I quit caring about my buyer rating. It wont be long before all the good sellers are gone because of the fees and you'll only be left with guys selling **** like this.

you made a mistake and caught it before it shipped, like you said if hes willing to accept returns , whats the difference?

I just went through his feedback. People are actually complaining that the finish on their $40 guitar is bad,hahaha. And several more complaining that the shipping was too high, why do people do that?

 

[Boiler]

Ebay has allowed its buyers to become insanely demanding. I understand it to a degree, but some people just get plain irate if there is any problem, even before finding out what the seller will do about it. I've had several people chew me out for mistakes in their initial contact about it, prior to me trying to make it right. Those guys get blocked on the spot.

It is keyword spamming, indirectly. Please bring it to ebay's attention. I'd love to see those guys have their auctions pulled. nobody calls those snap in rails...and how many snap on auctions even have the word rail in the title? Coincidence? i think not.

 

[Sick Puppy]

Well, if there are enough people here het up about the keyword spamming, complain to eBay about the listing, maybe they will pull it.

 

[G1GRANDEUR]

Try to contact E-bay customer service, seller also has responsible to reply buyers email within certain days.

Next time read carefully.

 

[CaptainRay]

Why not try the Ebay resolution center just click on the customer support tab at the top right when you are in ebay... go from there. I would like to think/hope Ebay would frown on that type of trickery... I'd be pissed enough to really fight the spammer.

 

[TOOL MASTER]

Reading is fundamental..

3/8" & 1/4" Dr. TORX BITS SOCKET SET ON A SNAP IN RAIL

 

[GeorgiaHybrid]

There is no key word spam there ( snap in rail) and he CLEARLY states the brand of tools he is selling in the ad as J-N. Adjust your search to snap-on and it will not find this ad at all, and will still find Snap On.

William...

+1 on this comment. He calls is a snap in rail, nothing ever mentions Snap-on and reading the description will clue you iin on what he is selling. Pay the man and use it as a life lesson to pay closer attention to wording in an ad.

 

[truckdriver]

I sent him a request to cancel order last night and this morning I have a message from him saying "No problem" and one from Ebay to confirm cancellation. I don't know why he didn't respond to the email thurs.

 

[ptschram]

Maybe we should consider this seller to be one of the good guys given his willingness to cancel the auction to keep a happy customer.

He could very well have said a contract was entered into...

You got lucky, read more closely next time.

 

[weegaz22]

Keyword spamming?!? how about reading the description of what your bidding on first before chucking money at something? I personally dont see any problem with the auction...because i read it and seen what it was.

Blaming the seller because you didn't read his description is stupid, and what shocks me more is the amount people who are agreeing with you.

 

[ptschram]

what shocks me more is the amount people who are agreeing with you.

Never fails in internetz world, no matter how outrageous one's stance on a topic, someone will support that stance and someone else will not.

I'm often amazed at the spectrum of opinions expressed on some topics.

 

[Stephenw]

It's great he cancelled the transaction for you.

Changing the order of the words doesn't change the fact that it is still keyword spamming. Unless quotes are used around "Snap on", the search engine still picks up the words "snap" and "on" in the description.

They've always been called socket rails.

It wasn't until eBay sellers tried to take advantage of buyers looking for Snap-on tools that you started seeing "on snap in rail" or some variation of that.

It's all about the intent.

 

[Rickochet]

His actions help restore a little faith in eBay!

 

[johnnybentwrench]

glad it worked out for you

 

[knotheads]

"Snap on torx" is exactly how my search is set up and as of this moment it is the 20th result of 170 filtered by newly listed. He has 5 other items that come up in that search.I never thought of using the quotes around snap on to filter out the key word spamming. Thanks for the tip.

if its any conselation to you ,snap on torx are just rebranded lisle products.