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Hi guys... don't have a pic of my garage just yet but I have a pic of an older garage (hanger) that I used to work in. Techinically, yes, it is a hanger but thought it was worthy of mentioning and showing what I/we used to work on. I'll put up some pics of the 2 car Florida garage a little later but I have a small dilemma that I need help with.
Which Chevy maintenance manuals would you guys choose? Chilton or Haynes? Or is there something better?
I have a 2004 Chevy Silverado 2500 HD that needs some repair...
Thanks for the advice up front... first round is on me...
and here's the old garage photo:

 
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Buckgnarly

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Damn, what did you do? Best manuals are the factory, though both you listed are fine for basic stuff.
 

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I have an 08 Silverado and do all my own maintenance and repair. I use silveradosierra.com and youtube. I'm not opposed to manuals, but seem to get everything I need online. Love the pic, my uncle worked at Goddard and I have a cousin in law that works in the industry. I remember when we used to stop what we were doing to watch launches on tv. Good times.
 

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Damn rocket scientist asking us for advice...your pretty smart to think you don't know everything!
Love the picture...a lot going on in that shot.
 
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Not really that much rocket science... more like experimental aircraft with rocket fuels like hypergolics, hydrazines, cryogenics and super clean work areas/shops with serious "shadow box" tool control and the worlds strictest FOD program.
A technician for the first 12 yrs, quality inspector for the second 12 yrs,
This is a photo of Discovery (ov-103)... with the engines/engine rings removed.
It's much easier to maintain when their not installed. But those were the Rocketdyne guys.
So, can I purchase the GM manuals online? I'd like it to be more specific to my year and not a range from 99 to 06....
Are they descriptive and "graphic" like the Chilton or Haynes publications?
I used Chilton with an older Jeep I had yrs. ago but if the GM manuals are as good or better, then that's the way I'd like to go.
 

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Not really that much rocket science... more like experimental aircraft with rocket fuels like hypergolics, hydrazines, cryogenics and super clean work areas/shops with serious "shadow box" tool control and the worlds strictest FOD program.
A technician for the first 12 yrs, quality inspector for the second 12 yrs,
This is a photo of Discovery (ov-103)... with the engines/engine rings removed.
It's much easier to maintain when their not installed. But those were the Rocketdyne guys.
So, can I purchase the GM manuals online? I'd like it to be more specific to my year and not a range from 99 to 06....
Are they descriptive and "graphic" like the Chilton or Haynes publications?
I used Chilton with an older Jeep I had yrs. ago but if the GM manuals are as good or better, then that's the way I'd like to go.


WAAY more graphic and descriptive. Not sure anyone makes paper versions anymore though, all digital now.
 

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Welcome minor from Ohio! My sister in law is assistant deputy director of Software for the International Space Station. I have been to 2 launches....they were great!
 
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How bout them Buckeyes? say hi to your SIL... (from an ex USA employee).
Something about NASA and contractors, there sure were a lot of directors, deputy directors and assistant directors.... top heavy on "management" was an understatement.
No offense to the SIL... but wow.
This is my line of work now...



So, how do I go about accessing the GM online maintenance manuals? do I need a secret code, username/password or how does that work?
 
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I'd be happy to purchase the OEM shop manual, but $200 seems kinda steep for general maintenance tasks like i'm doing.... and it shows as being sent as a paper document, this isn't viewable online from their description. will need to look into this a little more, I guess
Thank you guys.... much appreciate yall taking the time to reply.
 
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Having lived and died by the Helm manuals for my Hondas and Acuras over the years, they're worth every penny. There isn't a finer shop manual out there.
 

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Chilton, Haynes, and Clymer are **** once you've seen a real OEM manual. I sold them for a decade - I'll never touch one of the others again. Chilton and Haynes have been recycling some pictures for over 30 years - how exactly that is helpful to you now on your vehicle is questionable.
the simple fact that an aftermarket manual is at most 100 pages and the factory shop manual for 04 from GM is likely 4 volumes... as in book 1 through book 4 each more than 200 pages is telling.
Almost all manufacturers have stopped printing paper manuals now - last I was involved in the industry it was Ford still pushing them on every dealer and GM printed on demand if a dealer wanted them while most dealers prefer electronic versions. Chrysler stopped paper in 08, Nissan I believe was 04, toyota IIRC was 02-04. If you're a pro wrench who's been working on cars for a while you can get by with a non oem book since you already know a lot of who systems work and can figure out what needs to be done, but you're not going to get efficient at repairing it or be able to cover every possible issue without a FSM and/or an excellent group of very well versed people in your vehicle. (vehicle specific active forums)

It's possible to find the book online free but if so it's there illegally. None of the auto manufacturers has released service manuals for free and they do actively hunt for and prosecute copyright infringement.

Keep in mind paper manuals cost dealers on the order of $500 per vehicle, and in this day with electronic service info in every dealer, FSMs are not flooding the market like they were when the big 3 Us manufacturers were having major dealer closings 5-8 years ago.
Look on eBay - if you want the manual and no issues go to Faxon auto literature in Cali or try Walter Miller in Syracuse. those are the 2 giants in the industry. The place I worked for closed and has been purchased but I don't know what name it will reopen under or when. Those 2 are "the" places to go in the US for automotive paper.
 
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Yes the Helm manuals are spendy, but they do occasionally show up on Evilbay. If you are into only general maintenance they may be overkill, but some day you will find them handy -- trust me. I own a set for every vehicle I own, and they are the first thing I get when I get another vehicle.
GM Technicians have on-line access to the factory manuals, but they are not available in that form to us ordinary mortals.
 

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Not really that much rocket science... more like experimental aircraft with rocket fuels like hypergolics, hydrazines, cryogenics and super clean work areas/shops with serious "shadow box" tool control and the worlds strictest FOD program.

Welcome. I retired from Orbital Sciences Corporation in 2013 where I was an engineer in I&T on satellites and space probes. They also had serious levels of "shadow box" tool control and FOD monitoring and reduction -- especially in the propulsion shop (I didn't spend time there).

Shadow boxing is great when the tool you need was in the box. But that requires that the persons building the boxes know in advance what tools to put there -- which is not always the case. It is, however, a great way to make a 16 piece combination wrench set take the majority of a large toolbox drawer. :)
 

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I have the factory manuals for my vehicles and find them to be very valuable for troubleshooting problems, getting proper torque values for fasteners and very detailed dis-assembly and assembly instructions. Sure, they are expensive but a single trip to the dealer is often equivalent to the cost of the manuals.

As a person in the aerospace industry you can recognize the value of having this high quality data available to you.
 
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I have the factory manuals for my vehicles and find them to be very valuable for troubleshooting problems, getting proper torque values for fasteners and very detailed dis-assembly and assembly instructions. Sure, they are expensive but a single trip to the dealer is often equivalent to the cost of the manuals.

As a person in the aerospace industry you can recognize the value of having this high quality data available to you.

Yes Sir... I do.... how did you obtain a paper copy of the GM manuals? And can it be purchased as a cd/dvd or download?
What is the actual company who writes the manuals?
And again guys, thank you all so much. garage pic coming soon... I swear.
 

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Yes Sir... I do.... how did you obtain a paper copy of the GM manuals? And can it be purchased as a cd/dvd or download?
What is the actual company who writes the manuals?
And again guys, thank you all so much. garage pic coming soon... I swear.

Helm inc (helminc.com) is the paper publisher. You can buy direct from Helm, direct from your local GM dealership or if you wish to pay less than retail start on EBay then move to the 2 companies I referenced above.

I don't think there are any CD versions authorised for that old - they do allow newer years tho I believe. Aside - Helm is the publisher for lots of vehicle OEMs. They also do allow you to purchase electronic subscription access to the manual information, but it's spendy.
 
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