%^%#$@%&*^#! Ford!!

[Bran Diezel]

@&*^*@& @&!@&*!T@&! @TY!@T!YT@Y!T!&@!&(@#^!& @* *(!&@(*!@*@!* &@*!&@ *&!*@ #

3V!

@&^!&@#^&*^@# @#Y!&@!& !@!@ &&*@!7 @ !@!&@&T@^%!@(!*@(^!

but thank god for http://www.tooltopia.com/lisle-65600.aspx

I am borrowing a boroscope from my Snap on Guy and making sure nothing is laying in the cylinderS after POSs BROKE!

@*(&(@ @*@*@*!!@ !#@(* #(@*#(@#(@#@* #(*@#(*@)#

 

[I can fix anything]

It is amazing after making cars for that long they still get sparkplugs wrong.

 

[jhelrey]

Put anti on the plug before you stick the new one in.

and I mean before the tip and after the threads.

 

[I can fix anything]

Put anti on the plug before you stick the new one in.

and I mean before the tip and after the threads.

That may work but they don't do that from the factory, that makes the originals tough to get out.

 

[Bran Diezel]

i would have to coat the whole ground for it to do worth a sh!t

 

[scofo]

Good luck, Champion makes a replacement plug that has a one-piece thread/taper that seems to function alright. No first hand long term results yet but idle and power seem on par with Motorcraft.

 

[wafrederick]

Ford has a technical service bulletin on the spark plug removal on the 2004 and up triton engines.You warm up up the vehicle up first for at least 45 minutes and shut it off.Remove all the coils and crack the spark plugs loose an 1/8th of a turn.Pour down a little bit of Ford's top end engine cleaner down each hole ,tighten them up after that and let it soak overnight.Next day remove them using no air tools by hand,loosening them up back and forth.

 

[Bran Diezel]

well after the first one bit the dust i sprayed some penetrating oil in the next one, cracked it, tightened it, turned a few threads, back and forth and repeated about 10x till it came out. broke 2

 

[Displaced Hokie]

Every new generation means a new group of engineers who think they know better. I've seen it over and over. You'd be saddened to know how little passes down sometimes.

 

[Bran Diezel]

btw, i ran the truck 1hr the day b4, removed the coils and soaked them each in a vat of BG ion-force overnight b4 even starting today.

130k miles on original plugs

 

[crewchief888]

Every new generation means a new group of engineers who think they know better. I've seen it over and over. You'd be saddened to know how little passes down sometimes.

AMEN !

 

[Skin]

Ford has a technical service bulletin on the spark plug removal.

funny and sad all at once

 

[Ign]

Even tho I drive mostly Fords I'm with ya. Just a few of Ford's blunders in the past 20 years: TTB, TFI, C2 power steering pumps, 10.25 rear, cracking rain gutters, ridiculous fuel line disconnects, RABS and tone rings, dual fuel pumps, air pumps, 6.0 (even if it was Navistar), front unit bearings etc etc

Last year wife asked what I wanted for my b-day. I told her to shoot a Ford engineer. Potential legal issues seemed to complicate that, so she printed photos she found online of an '89 Ford engineering team. She blew them up and put them on cardboard, then we went out back and shot them w the shotgun. I guess I feel a little better...........

 

[padronanniversary]

champion plugs sucked/ after the swap, i put 5k on them, and ran like ****.

 

[Lump]

I'm not totally sure....but I think the OP is PISSED!!??!

 

[thesilverone]

hey at least they circled the problem

 

[MrMark]

Ford has a technical service bulletin on the spark plug removal on the 2004 and up triton engines.You warm up up the vehicle up first for at least 45 minutes and shut it off.Remove all the coils and crack the spark plugs loose an 1/8th of a turn.Pour down a little bit of Ford's top end engine cleaner down each hole ,tighten them up after that and let it soak overnight.Next day remove them using no air tools by hand,loosening them up back and forth.

This is "basically" right. I didn't read the part about soaking overnight, just an hour or so. One teaspoon per cylinder. Work back and forth and then make sure you blow all the penetrating oil out the cylinders before you put the plugs in.

 

[mrshaun]

sell it and move on.
I sell a lisle kit every week. everyone has a trick, but none are fail proof.
Even the ford guys cant get it done.

 

[Skin]

reminded me of the spark plugs ejecting issue prior to 04. Ford sure is funny!

 

[MrMark]

Love my 4.6 3V. It is bad ***. Redesigned head or at least plug. No more problems. With this motor, there is no reason to get the 5.4 unless you are a big time tower. This is for an F150.

 

[treasureseeker]

I got to work with Ford engineers at Roush as a tech and sadly had to assist some young ones with the fabrication of a small V8 install in what is now the Taurus. Sad as I thought having a background in automotive repair would get me a job with a bachelor degree in mechanical engineering, but that isn’t the way it works. They missed basic mechanical things like PS lines lift in use(under pressure). The rear drive shaft took out the PS lines on all the Taurus we built even with warning them ahead of time. This was years ago and they would take a new Ford 500 and take it down to a shell then test future power trains and suspensions and other stuff with making a turnkey vehicle to test. I am not surprised with broken spark plugs with what they value for engineers.

 

[seagravedriver]

I have had an about 30+ Fords since before I had a license. (I am now 44.) The Windstar got me to the edge, and the 6.0 pushed me over. GMC Yukon XL in the driveway now.

 

[Danglerb]

Nothing but Fords and Porsche's for me. If the job is too ugly though, that's what VISA is for.

I would take the thing to the dealer and let them suffer with the plugs or sell before the warranty is out.

 

[jhelrey]

Nothing is perfect!

I was giving you the heads up when you put the new plugs in so you don't run into this again.

 

[Bubbles]

People are having luck getting them out with a warm engine and a 1/2" impact gun with no soak.

I'm taking mine out with soak and 1/4 turn at a time

 

[csp]

Sounds like what you run into with glow plugs on a 7.3 Powerstroke. Never, ever install or let anyone install an Autolite glowplug. The elements swell and get stuck in the hole in the head on the way out. I spent two days getting one out on my Powerstroke once, and another day getting the other seven out. I had to soak them with a carbon remover meant for outboards.

 

[BigE]

@&*^*@& @&!@&*!T@&! @TY!@T!YT@Y!T!&@!&(@#^!& @* *(!&@(*!@*@!* &@*!&@ *&!*@ #

3V!

@&^!&@#^&*^@# @#Y!&@!& !@!@ &&*@!7 @ !@!&@&T@^%!@(!*@(^!

but thank god for http://www.tooltopia.com/lisle-65600.aspx

I am borrowing a boroscope from my Snap on Guy and making sure nothing is laying in the cylinderS after POSs BROKE!

@*(&(@ @*@*@*!!@ !#@(* #(@*#(@#(@#@* #(*@#(*@)#

I say the same thing everyday. Before I took my current job, I made the mistake of buying a used 2000 Ranger. That was enough to make me swear off Fords for life. However, my new job finds me working with Ford on a weekly if not daily basis. In the interest of remaining employed in case anyone ever reads this, I'll just sum it this way: I now have no doubt I will never buy another Ford again.


Ign:

The 6.0 Liter hard parts were a Navistar design. However, Ford turned up the wick on them against Navistar's recommendation. That's why there have been far more problems with the 6.0 liter than the VT365/MaxxForce 7. There was even a lawsuit over the resulting warranty costs for blown engines and plugged EGR coolers.

 

[jeffk14]

Did mine on my '06 about 6 weeks ago. Read all the TSB info several times (there are THREE revisions) and followed everything to the letter. I STILL broke 5 out of 8 plugs and the Lisle tool worked like a charm.

I used a shop-vac adapted to small vinyl hose to vacuum out the plug wells before I extracted the broken pieces. After that, with all plugs removed, I hooked the ECM back up so I could spin the motor through without the plugs to blow any trash out of the cylinders.

Went back in with Hi-Temp "Never Seez" on the shanks of the new plugs. Truck runs like new now with 73K miles on it. The OEM plugs are supposed to be good for 100K. Baloney. Mine were pretty much shot at 73K.

In this pic, 3 plugs came out in tact like the top one, 1 plug broke clean and the porcelain remained in 1 piece like the middle one and 4 plugs broke the porcelain off flush in the SP hole like the bottom pic.

 

[fordbroncodave]

if it wasn't ford you would only make half your yearly salary

 

[Toolhorder]

I hate Fords as well but Land Rovers are worse.

 

[PaulR]

75K on my 05 F150 5.4 and I'm deathly scared of having to do the plugs....

 

[TheGrooveking]

75K on my 05 F150 5.4 and I'm deathly scared of having to do the plugs....

I have just turned 94K on my 99' F250 Super Duty that I bought in July of 98. So I am watching this thread thinking I need to wear a diaper when I change the plugs, because I have a strong since I'll incurr problems.

TheGrooveking

 

[jeffk14]

75K on my 05 F150 5.4 and I'm deathly scared of having to do the plugs....

At 73K, I was getting stumbling upon acceleration with no codes being thrown. The spec for plug gap is .045", but mine were eroded enough that they were nearly .080". I went ahead and replaced the coil-packs with Accel Super Coils from Summit too, as several of the coil-packs showed evidence of arcing to ground from the case. The Accel coils get great reviews and they're cheaper ($35 each) than the alternatives. Nice to now have a truck that runs like new.

 

[padronanniversary]

the sad thing is mine is at 110k now, and i did mine at 70k. I think I'll be doing this again. We shall see if antiseeze really helped this time.

 

[scott37300]

I have just turned 94K on my 99' F250 Super Duty that I bought in July of 98. So I am watching this thread thinking I need to wear a diaper when I change the plugs, because I have a strong since I'll incurr problems.

TheGrooveking

I thought the plugs breaking was only on the 04 and newer?

 

[Givl Reggin]

Every new generation means a new group of engineers who think they know better. I've seen it over and over. You'd be saddened to know how little passes down sometimes.

It's not that - it's engineers trying to justify their existence by redesigning things. After building cars for over 100 years, you would think that there would not be a single part on the car that would fail... but, everything from tie rod ends to window regulators seem to fail nowadays.

 

[Wakefield]

(Concerning the plugs in the picture) I understand that Champion or somebody claims their plug for that vehicle doesn't break off as easily as Ford's OEM one.

 

[TangoFoxTrot]

It's not that - it's engineers trying to justify their existence by redesigning things. After building cars for over 100 years, you would think that there would not be a single part on the car that would fail... but, everything from tie rod ends to window regulators seem to fail nowadays.

I agree, they're constantly trying to reinvent the wheel when they don't need to. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

I remember Ford had ads actually touting these new fangled plugs when they first came out. they were saying the engine was so advanced, it needed a one-of-a kind spark plug. It probably gave the truck .001% better gas mileage, so the geniuses at Ford thought it was worthwhile Funny how no one complains about the awful, prehistoric spark plugs on all the other brands.

I try to do a lot of my own repairs, but this is one I'd take to a dealer to do for me in a heartbeat.

 

[jeffk14]

(Concerning the plugs in the picture) I understand that Champion or somebody claims their plug for that vehicle doesn't break off as easily as Ford's OEM one.

This is true. However, you end up with a ****** Champion 30K-mile plug that costs nearly double what OEM's cost. That's why I went back in with MotorCraft and just used the "Never Seez".

 

[fordbroncodave]

do them early before its too late. plugs are cheap compared to taking the head off and bringing it to the machine shop to be re threaded.