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fifth

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I just finished the final grading work and built my framing for the foundation. I go the laser out to measure pad thickness. 32'x41' monolithic slab with #4 rebar on 16 centers, 4000-4500psi concrete and planing to up fiber in. This will be an RV garage/shop. My question is as I measure pad thickness, there are a few areas that will only be 4 inches thick, the rest is around 5.5-6.5inches. The rebar will be on 1.5 inch chairs, putting 1.5 inches of concrete on top of the rebar in the thinner areas. Will 4 inches strong enough with all the added rebar and extras I'm adding??
 
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The rebar (in the manner you are using it and the way we typically use it in slabs) does nothing for the "strength" of the concrete and its ability to withstand loads of vehicles. As brownbagg points out, that strength comes from the soil underneath. The slab is just a cap that distributes the load evenly over the ground.

A 4" slab is a very effective thickness and just fine for a RV or heavy truck. (BTW - The loads your RV puts on the slab are not fully dependent on the weight of the vehicle. The tire size, tire pressure, and tire profile all part of the equation.)

The rebar is used for crack control. All concrete cracks and your cut/control joints and the rebar will work together to control how frequently those cracks occur and where they occur. (Hopefully in the saw cuts and out of plain sight.)

For a quality slab, you'll want a balance of a number of factors:
- quality of base material under slab (including compaction)
- cement ratio (typically aligned to the psi rating)
- water content
- slab thickness
- cross section of steel in the slab (amount of rebar)
- frequency/spacing of saw cut joints
- proper placement of expansion joints (if needed)
- management of re-entrant corners (if you have any)
- admixtures
- quality of workmanship/finish
- probably other attributes, I'm forgetting...


#4 rebar on 16 centers, 4000-4500psi concrete and planing to up fiber in.

This should give you fine crack control if you have normal saw cut spacing of 10-12'. If it isn't very hot right now, you may be able to skip the fiber but I'd check for a local recommendation. That product only helps with plastic shrinkage cracking, (from rapid evaporation of the water in the concrete) which is more of a concern in your part of the world than many of ours'.


My question is as I measure pad thickness, there are a few areas that will only be 4 inches thick, the rest is around 5.5-6.5inches.

Is this from the grading, or by design? Having inconsistencies in the thickness of the slab is more likely to lead to cracking. (You'll get higher/differential shrinkage stresses building up in the thicker sections.) If you have thicker edges, that's less of a concern.
 
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Thanks for the reply's... the base is 6-8" of AB and is compacted very well. The inconstancy's of the slab thickness was not planned....
 

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I'm Australian. I've seen a lot on this site and most concrete slabs have had reo wire that resembles chicken wire. I don't know what the regulations are like at your place but in my place the reo is at least 3/8" wire on a 4" square mesh. I used to think that was a bit flimsy until I saw the american standard. ( your electrical standards are a bit suspect too)
 
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Thanks for the reply's... the base is 6-8" of AB and is compacted very well. The inconstancy's of the slab thickness was not planned....

Ayuh,... Ya shoulda been usin' the laser from the get-go,...

Ya haven't poured yet, so tune up the sub-grade so's it's even, 'n true,...
 

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Thanks for the reply's... the base is 6-8" of AB and is compacted very well. The inconstancy's of the slab thickness was not planned....

As long as the changes in thickness are gradual and not abrupt, you should be OK.

BTW - That's a really thick base. The compacted base also distributes the loading on the soil below, so you are in really good shape structurally. (By the time forces get down to the soil, the pressures will be a fraction of a psi.)


Ya haven't poured yet, so tune up the sub-grade so's it's even, 'n true,...

This would be the best thing to do. You'll also save money on concrete you don't need!
 

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Thanks for the reply's... the base is 6-8" of AB and is compacted very well. The inconstancy's of the slab thickness was not planned....

It's all about the base,'bout the base, 'bout the base....

You are about to sink a ton of money into concrete / reinforcing steel and labor..... and the quality and longevity of the end product all hinges on proper compaction of the base.

Have you had the base tested for proper density? Proctor Compaction Testing of Sub-Grade Material
 
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I have never seen a perfectly graded large slab with zero (less than 1/2") thickness variation.
Your prep work sounds ready to go. I cut up a slab last year in a 30 year old warehouse that had different thicknesses from 3.5" to 7" in a 20x40 area. Forklifts running over this area 24 hours a day 5 days a week. No cracks, no problems with that slab.

Pour and be happy with your new space.
 

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IMO
I'm not a Concrete Guy but a 5.5" to 6.5" variation I would find acceptable. But 4" thrown in there sporadically? I would be scraping it out or making the Contractor do it before the Concrete is poured!
 
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