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Friction Ratchets?

jmm

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Searched high and low on here. Was very surprised to not see much of anything besides passing references and a 'what is it' thread. I got one in a tool lot I bought this weekend. It's a Gedore No. 31-12 with a 22 mm (across flats) square insert.

The Samstag site says this:
Frequently used on heat exchangers and other heavy industrial equipment.

Well, that's one use. But my question is broader than that little explanation. Under what circumstances are these ratchets ideal? Anybody got one?

Here's a photo of one like mine:
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Shoot, that design looks awesome! Almost like a miniature oil filter wrench.
Maybe I should print a pick and try to fashion one...when I have some free time!:lol_hitti
 

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www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=169794

After almost a year i still have the same question. What´s the purpose of this ratchet?

They're likely used for the same jobs as a gearwrench or a pass-thru ratchet. The ring end looks like it might have a thinner profile than a comparably sized gearwrench would, at least with the larger inserts installed. I don't know what the swing degree is, but it may be better than a coarse ratchet. I presume under high torque use, there's also no worry about chipping a tooth in the mechanism.
 
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I doubt these get used in place of ratcheting wrenches or pass throughs. In theory, this is a zero degree ratchet. I chucked it up on a piece of square stock, and it's pretty close.

This wrench came out of the JR Reynolds machine/maintenance shop. I know they're aimed at heavy equipment techs or machinists, I just don't know anything beyond that (and the samstag blurb).
 
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My guess is you use it to remove square plugs, 1/2" and with an adapter 1/4, 3/8, and 3/4" You an insert your extension in reversed and get into tight places.

Adapters aren't necessary, though I'm sure they're probably available. You switch out the circular plug, like a socket. The one in mine now is 8 pt 22 mm AF, held in by a retaining ball. They're made in all sizes and shapes imaginable.

I know how they work, just curious about what kind of work they're designed for.
 
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Adapters aren't necessary, though I'm sure they're probably available. You switch out the circular plug, like a socket. The one in mine now is 8 pt 22 mm AF, held in by a retaining ball. They're made in all sizes and shapes imaginable.

I know how they work, just curious about what kind of work they're designed for.

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Maybe for industrial valves?
 

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I doubt these get used in place of ratcheting wrenches or pass throughs. In theory, this is a zero degree ratchet. I chucked it up on a piece of square stock, and it's pretty close.

This wrench came out of the JR Reynolds machine/maintenance shop. I know they're aimed at heavy equipment techs or machinists, I just don't know anything beyond that (and the samstag blurb).

Gedores Brazilian Website has the helpful description "This system rationalizes the work method, diminishing the tightening/loosening time for atachment."

And I presume you read the description on the Samstag website next to the Water version that says "The Free Wheel type ratchet will stand extremely high loads, much higher than a regular ratchet with teeth. Due to the design there is practically no wear and tear. Useful in very tight spaces due to the friction design."

This type of design likely has some advantages in industrial settings. There are no teeth to chip so an abusive worker in less likely to damage the wrench. The inserts aren't common so there is less likely hood it would be stolen. I don't know how far back the design goes, but the description sounds like it was used to replace non ratcheting wrenches.

Another thing that strikes me about the design is how easy it might be to make inserts for special security fasteners, such as the ones used for fire hydrants. Broaching or cutting a shape all the way thru a premade round insert would likely be far easier than milling into the single opening in a socket.
 

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You made me more curious, so I looked it up.

I doubt these get used in place of ratcheting wrenches or pass throughs. In theory, this is a zero degree ratchet. I chucked it up on a piece of square stock, and it's pretty close.

This wrench came out of the JR Reynolds machine/maintenance shop. I know they're aimed at heavy equipment techs or machinists, I just don't know anything beyond that (and the samstag blurb).

These are plain old "GearWrench" type products. If you look at their catalogue, you can see them sold as separate wrenches, Metric, fractional, square and 'bi-hexagon' ( I forget the American term). They come is varying handle sizes from 150 mm to 1500 mm. and spans from 8 to 115 mm(that's 4.52":shocking:)

British Catalog, start looking at page 233

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Just came across this thread while looking for inserts for my gedore friction ratchet. We use these ratchets for loosening bolts on extruder barrels that have been heated for years and are extraordinarily tight. This design gets right close to the barrel when working on a flange. These are some heavy duty tools!
 

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Does anyone here have one of these wrenches for sale? I am looking for one that is larger than 40MM.
 

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I had totally forgotten about this thread. I was surprised when I saw my post. I tried to follow my link to Gedore, it doesn't work any more.

BUT, I looked again. I can't find any reference to Gedore friction ratchets.

I found DHGATE sells them and there is a 41 MM that R1Rider was interested in

https://www.dhgate.com/product/1122...=576900191783927825#s1-1-1;searl|1669746330:3

Bigger
https://www.dhgate.com/product/1122....1T|0|0|ER-B|newes.#s1-0-1;searl|1669746330:2

and I found a crooked site that sells them for small medium and large nuts. These guys are crooks for sure. but it's a laugh.
https://www.rapid-city.top/ProductDetail.aspx?iid=265899351&pr=24.88
 
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