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From apprentice to teacher

Dynamic86

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Well I just got my jman ticket last year for millwright so now starting tommorow I got a 1st year apprentice to be the shift millwrights at the plant. I always had a jman above me to guide me through stuff if I had problems but now its just me. I'm excited and nervous at the same time. Seems like just yesterday I started the trade. I still have lots to learn but looking forward to the added responsibility.

Anyways let's hear some stories about the time you had to switch from the apprentice to teacher.
 
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Don't really have a story, but i will say that it will make you better at what you do...

There is a big difference between knowing something and understanding it...

Having someone watching everything you do, and asking for explanations on the theory and principles behind it makes you do the best job you can. You really have to think about why your doing it, and then translate that thought to someone elses brain... :thumbup:

congrats on the Journeyman! now start plugging away at the endorsements if your trade has them.

JP
 

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I am not a journeyman or tradesman but I am a teacher and I will say that teaching someone will teach you more about what you know that anything else. Have fun and don't worry if you don't know everything just teach them what you know and learn what you don't before you teach it to them.

It will increase the rate at which you learn new things by a lot!
 

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Amen on teaching being the best way to learn.
Any subject.
Your students will always ask questions you never thought of.
That is the time for both of you to do some research.
 

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Remember that was YOU a short time ago . :lol_hitti.

Believe me , ''seems like yesterday I started the trade.'' That's what I said
after 41 years when I retired at 61 two years ago. When you love your job time goes quick.

You never stop learning. Do as much as you can to be smarter then everyone. You got to sell yourself in todays world. The better you pass on your knowledge the more qualified he ,your apprentice will become. That will make your job easier and you will have a competent partner. Hopeful he will apply his self as well as you did. You did apply yourself right ? :thumbup:
You'll do fine, just remember to play SAFE. You want to retire with all the original equipment ! Ok, maybe a couple of minor surgeries on the knees .
Good luck, keep us posted !
 

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I know the feeling. Not to long ago I became a journeyman ironworker now I have my son in the trade beside me. Give them room to grow and learn. Hear them out when they have ideas. Even if you know where the idea is going, dont cut them short of thinking it out. You would be surprised how many times they figure out it wont work as they are explaining themselves. Also there are times I learn a new way of doing something from listening to the young pups.
 

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Somewhere along the path to retirement I picked up this, " The biggest hurdle to progress is the oldtimer standing there saying, 'we tried that once and it didn't work' " When training do not be that oldtimer. Allow your apprentice to try his wings, just keep him safe.

lg
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Somewhere along the path to retirement I picked up this, " The biggest hurdle to progress is the oldtimer standing there saying, 'we tried that once and it didn't work' " When training do not be that oldtimer. Allow your apprentice to try his wings, just keep him safe.

lg
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This could not ring more true.

The day that you wake up and realize that **** I'm the one people look to is bit of a shocking moment. I have had to do this twice so far. Once as a Union Pipefitter and once as a Paramedic. Being patient is also something that you will learn working with an apprentice. Just remember you were there once yourself. You f'ed up some of the same things as he is going to do. I guess that is part of learning. Keep him and yourself safe is the most important. The rest will fall into place.

Now with the Paramedic side of things. There is a lot more things that you have to look for when working with paramedic students. For the most part the students will have a partial hands off approach. This is because they are not sure and don't want to do any harm to somebody else. But the ones that jump in and try to be without hesitation "watch out for". They will either get hurt, hurt you, or hurt somebody else. Sometime being to ambitious is a bad thing.
Even for the skilled or the Journeyman there is still a learning curve. I never will forget the day that I looked at the patch on my right shoulder and said "Oh **** I'm a paramedic".

When you get old and set in your ways. Just remember just because you have been doing this way for years does not mean you have been doing it right or the best way for all those years.
 
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Hear them out when they have ideas. Even if you know where the idea is going, dont cut them short of thinking it out. You would be surprised how many times they figure out it wont work as they are explaining themselves. Also there are times I learn a new way of doing something from listening to the young pups.

Well said, enjoy passing some of the **** jobs! :thumbup:
 

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Somewhere along the path to retirement I picked up this, " The biggest hurdle to progress is the oldtimer standing there saying, 'we tried that once and it didn't work' " When training do not be that oldtimer. Allow your apprentice to try his wings, just keep him safe.

lg
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I learned from that old guy :lol: And I was told basically the same thing.....this is the way it's always been done so that's the way we do it. But I do say one thing....I'm really glad I listened to he, because he taught me the hardest way to do things. After he retired, things changes, and all of a sudden I had some older guys asking me how I would do something. I'd say the last fifteen years I worked, I became the old guy. I taught quite a few how to machine, but I never held them to "that's the way it's always been done"

I encourages everyone that I worked with , if they had an idea, try it. If it doesn't work out, remember why it didn't work out. I told everyone to keep a notebook and a pencil handy. THere is nothing wrong with taking notes and referring back to them later. No one can remember everything and when it comes to machining, it is a never ending process. Some things just come naturally, other things, you may really have to study to figure it out.

The main thing though, don't let the job get you down. If it's the job for you, it will be enjoyable every day and never get boring. It can be a lifelong job if you want it to be.
 

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Congrats!

Well, I've encountered myself as a trainee and other occasions as the trainer.
I currently have an apprentice.

I believe that as stated above, we never stop learning, and been humble about that won't make us look dumb when we make a mistake. Because, we will make mistakes.

I've had several people teaching me in my life, different things... I would like to point out what I learned from them in regards to teaching:

SAFETY FIRST! lol I bet u know that already ;)

- Polite: never be condescending, always make sure you not hurting their ego. Some people is way more difficult to teach because they r very defensive. You figure this out and have a chat about the topic ASAP. Ask them to let you know if you are been rude because you always want to be and do better.

- make sure to be clear when something is optional or when is not. For example, safety is not optional for me, we must wear safety glasses.

- no gossip. That is clear.

- give thanks and praises. :)

- don't flip for mistakes. Analyze the situation in a helpful manner to prevent further incidents.
 

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Now, my style:

I put people to do one simple task for as long as I can for them to learn the skill and practice over and over. Like sanding, milling, measuring, etc. but, tasks that are not crucial and that are not final, so when they are "done" you can go over and check their work and make adjustments or corrections.

I usually favor higher standards and forget about the pace. I know that pace is only going to increase with practice.

I bring some gifts or treats to reinforce confidence.

I ask for feedback on my behalf.
 

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I had 4 years of trainee-ship, then 11 years of actual work, followed by 14 years as a technical instructor ... all in the aviation ground electronics field.

It's only when you have to teach something you've been doing for years that you realize just how much of what you'd been doing was done purely by rote, and you really didn't have a clue why it was done that way. I learned far more as an instructor than I ever learned when I was in training or doing the work as a supposedly qualified technician.
 

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Well I just got my jman ticket last year for millwright so now starting tommorow I got a 1st year apprentice to be the shift millwrights at the plant. I always had a jman above me to guide me through stuff if I had problems but now its just me. I'm excited and nervous at the same time. Seems like just yesterday I started the trade. I still have lots to learn but looking forward to the added responsibility.

Anyways let's hear some stories about the time you had to switch from the apprentice to teacher.

When I turned out as a journeyman sheet metal worker, I vowed not to be an ******* to apprentices, and to treat them as men. I let them know to speak up if they think they see an easier way to do something, or if they have any questions. As a journeyman, always be open to suggestions and be willing to learn. Apprentices can come from a wide variety of backgrounds, and oftentimes the teacher becomes the pupil. It also means you never have to roll up an extension cord again, and apprentices get to pick up all the tools..:thumbup:
 

Kevin54

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BioNerd hit on one very important item:

give thanks and praises.

Giving a "Thank You" or telling an Apprentice "that was a great job in doing that" goes a very long ways. The biggest thing....it gives the Apprentice some confidence in what he/she is doing. Many times when we had an ******* of a boss, he would take credit for what one of the machinist had worked on. I won't go in to details, but the boss always took credit for someone else's work to build himself up. It a long explanation which I won't go into, but I told the Apprentice's that I was training, to never let the boss deliver a part to Engineering. Take the part to the Engineer their self, so the Engineer would be familiar with who actually did the work. Once they started doing that, then the Engineers knew who to go to when they had a rush project that had to get out, and had to go within a day or less.

Myself, I was never big on the credit thing, and all of the bosses I had over the years, knew exactly what I was capable of doing. And if I had to deliver parts to Engineering for some reason, I always made sure to tell them who made the parts. This was back when I was working closely with Engineering and making prototypes. And a lot of those prototypes were for the F-117 Stealth. There were a few times when we were having our yearly reviews, that I told my boss to cut my raise, and give the percentage to a certain employee. Most of the time, and where our Toolroom was ( a basement), we may have seen our boss come down once a month and see what was actually going on. It was up to me to relay the info to the boss. And a lot of things hinged on me telling my boss how certain individuals were doing. And just to let you know, our boss was one that played the favoritism game with individuals.

Myself, I would rather a person that shows he is really trying but may not be very fast, get a raise, than a person that thinks he knows what he is doing and sucking up to the boss, getting a raise.

At times I miss it, but then on the other hand, I don't miss the ******** that went with things, and it seems that companies and most of the bosses thrive on ********. Over the years I have witnessed people go up the ladder because they can kiss ***, but don't have the sense to tie their shoes. Anyone that I ever taught machining to while they were an Apprentice, I told them straight up.....Put your heart into every job that you do. The ones that kiss ***, they may move up, but they also come down real fast.

And when teaching an Apprentice something, always teach them EVERYTHING that you know. Don't NOT teach them because you are afraid that if you do, you may lose your job when it comes to a layoff. We had a lot of people that did that, and it just made me sick. And even when I confronted some coworkers about it, they were upfront about it and told me that they weren't going to teach someone how to do their job, just so they'd get laid off after they taught them. That is just sad to do that to someone willing to learn.
 
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