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Youngbuck

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First off, thanks for the advice on my other thread about the future 2nd story addition.

Since whatever i decide to do with that won't happen for quite a few years (have other plans first before a new build) I was hoping to get some layout advice for my garage as it is.

i'm going to insulate and put some walls up this summer sometime. i also plan on building my own shelves/workbench unless i can find some good deals somewhere...still open for ideas/plans.

i'm wondering if you can help with locations and rearranging (if possible) of some things i'd like to put in there.

this attached pic is a pretty basic layout of what it looks like if cleaned out (buncha random hangers and junk shelves yet to be removed)

i have a fridge to put somewhere and the cabinets/shelves will most likely be moved or junked, as well as that wood stove...takes up so much room (maybe a relocation?).

i need some suggestions/ideas for what some of you might do with this setup if it were your own.

thank ya's.

EDIT: not shown is the ceiling height of 9ft.
 

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Youngbuck

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also, since the insulation and walls will be going up fairly soon...i've been getting hung up on what i want for the walls.

so far i think i'm leaning towards OSB, but i do really like the look of drywall too. i figure since i'm doing it myself, the OSB will probably keep me more sane...hanging and finishing drywall gets on my nerves pretty quick (as i'm sure does everybody else)

and i think i'll end up putting pegboard, or that storeboard up on part/some of the walls. so the walls would be partially covered with that and whatever shelving i decide to go with.

comments?
 
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Youngbuck

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not goin for a showroom (not with this garage atleast...maybe if i build another in a few years :bounce: )

mostly to work on my truck, my bike, and my buddy's car/bikes

i might try to do something with the attic for easy access storage.
 

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Okay, that gives us something to go buy.

Item #1 you need lighting, Rocco can give you a good design for this. But you want good lighting for general tasks, and then specifics in high eye strain areas. Workbench, or where ever you do detailed tasks.

2# you will want a fine workbench. When I mean fine, I mean one you can run a M1 Abrams tank up and onto and not have it go anywhere. I have five different benches in my shop. One is a counter top, I store large items under it and the top stays cluttered all the time. But I like it for soldering, simple task, it is easy to clean up.

I have a sears bench with galvanized tops, I added 2x4s into the sides and built a space frame around it, you can now put a small car on it. Tops ****, so I use it for my machine tools, it is easy to clean, but will dent if you drop something on it. I have another one of these benches that I did the same thing too but it has a Maple wood top, that is used for wood working. I fab a lot of parts and a wood working bench comes in handy for making bucks and forms etc.....

My 4th bench is my pride and Joy. It has 4x4 legs, a lower shelf, and an upper bench. It is 3.5' x 6.5' And has a 2x10 sub frame, and a 2" thick top. You can put a tank on it it will not collapse. And it weights about 600 pounds. I have 6 casters under it, and can move it, but it never gets moved. It is in the middle of my shop, all sides are accessible, 2 people can work on different projects with out getting in anybodies way.

My 5th is a welding table. 4" Pipe legs, 8" casters, a shelf and racks for steel, with a 3/16" top. 2' x 3' and does most of the tasks for welding and grinding. Oh and it weighs in at close to 1000 lbs with all the stuff, including the concrete ballasts I have under the bottom shelf. And it will hold up a tank also. I have had an entire car tub on both of these benches, with out an issue.

Benches are good.

Floor to ceiling storage is a great idea, attic storage you have to be-careful of, I try to avoid it if I can. Make sure you have doors or something to hid the stuff, in storage, but most of all keep the dust out. Makes cleanup easier, and makes the shop look nice when people see it.

Tool storage is a biggie to most, I use Craftsmen friction roll cabinets, I would love to have a set of ball bearing rollers, but just don't want to fork over the money. Check Pawn shops for these, or larger cabs. I have 2 rolling project centers, one I added a 2x4" glued up top to, and it houses my normal grab tools I use on cars, I just take to the project, the top on top makes a mini bench that you can disassemble, hold you laptop for RFI work what ever. The other I have my Mig welder on, and it sores all my metal working tools, the Mig supplies and other welding items, so it goes where ever I need to weld. I have 2 others that store more specialized tools , and duplicate items. Like they all have screwdrivers and pliers in them.

Air Compressors what ever meets your needs, not sure what you will be doing, I have an old Craftsmen 2.5 HP unit form the early 70s that has a 40 gallon tank, and runs 90% of my stuff just fine, even my sandblaster cabinet. Get what you need, stay away for the oiless unless you really need to get one, or it was given to you.

Tools your limit is well your limit, start with the necessities and go from there. Some people love using impact tools and air ratchets, I just use my hand tools for these tasks. Air for me is used for grinders, sanders, and cut of tools.

Just to let you know, I have a ton of $$$$$$ in tools, but the cabinets, and benches where all built for less than 1 Grand, the Sears benches where $98 a piece, the one project center was $99, and the other was a top from ebay for $20, and a cabinet from Sears closeout for $79. The big bench was used lumber form a deck I removed, and the welding table was sourced from a scrap yard. Had to pay by the pound 200 pounds of steel @ .07c per pound. The first bench was a kitchen counter top I picked up. the shelves where made out of plywood and 1x2s. I have a tall storage drawer unit I got off a library when they got ride of the microfiche section. I have 3 4 drawer filling cabinets I picked up off the street that needed a home. I got one rolling tool chest of a buddy for $100, and another my wife got me from sears catalog closeout store for $125. So that was $534 dollars worth of stuff not counting the plywood for the shelves. You can do it on the cheap just watch for stuff.

You need to paint the floor or coat it or cover it. I like paint, I repaint it after about 3 years, mainly the work areas. Storage ares have been there for years now. I do a lot of welding so it will drop splatter spots onto the painted floor, but it is so nice to work from.

Oh and since yours is a smallish shop, not really to some, but to me it is put everything on rollers, makes it easy to move stuff around and get a configuration you need like and enjoy. With out braking your back doing it.

Grass Roots Motorsports just ran an article on a home working shop it is in their April 2007 issue
 
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Like 914forme said... put as much of your equipment on casters as you can. My shop has one bench that is wall mounted, the rest of my work spaces are movable, as is my verticle and horizontal bandsaws, welders, tool cabinets, drawer units and even my air compressor. Doing this makes your shop very "tool accessible", easy to clean and simple to rearrange.
As far as wall coverings go do a strip of drywall (or OSB) 4' high and then do the rest in pegboard. You can find the pre-finished pegboard at most home centers. makes for some hany hangin' room and looks good to boot without all of the drywall seaming.
For insulation look into some P2000.
http://www.p2insulation.com/
I've mentioned this stuff here before. The site doesn't list R-Values. I have asked them why not and they told me it was because of pressure from the "other" foam insulation manufacturers.... P2K is very efficient and you get much more R-Value for your dollar then you will with Dow Foam or R-Tech Insulboard. An 1" of P2000 is rated at an R-Value of 28. An inch of Dow Foam is rated at an R6... Use the P2000 over a 3 1/2" layer of 'glas and you will have an R40 wall very easily.
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I've been researching this stuff for about two months now. Doing comparisons to the other available foam boards, nothing comes close to cost per R.
Using the 1" P2000 (the most popular size) as an example. My distributor told me a good cost per sq. ft. number is 0.85 cents. The 1" P2000 tests to an R28. Compare that to both the 1" Dow Foam and R-Techs' Insulboard which are rated at an R5. To get a comparible amount of R value from the other boards you would have to have a stack of 6 sheets (R30). The local cost per 4 x 8 sheet of 1" Dow Foam in my area is $12.00. Now, that is only 0.38 cents per sq. ft. BUT, once you multiply it by 6 to get the equivelant R-Value you will be spending $2.25 per sq. ft.
Mark
 

z28toz06

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why is there a landing by the house entry door? seems to me you could get rid of the landing and put stairs in front of the door and use that space for storage or compressor location, although it might be noisy in the house to put comp there. If you did that, you could add one or 2 steps, making them smaller in height so carrying things in and out of the garage would be easier.
Unless of course they are poured concrete.

the man door on the right(east?) side of your drawing should be hung the other way and moved far enough away from that cabinet so you could maybe put a bench along that wall, in front of the cars so you could work on cars in either bay. This of course may not be worth it if the garage is sided or you need to hire someone to move it.
 
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Youngbuck

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That landing is a poured slab.

Also, that door does open the other way. I showed it wrong in the drawing. I know some of those locations aren't exact either. I was just hopin for some ideas on what I could do with my space. Thanks again for the help too.
 
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