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creativecars

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I have been considering a sideline business of doing just what we discuss here, making a garage a real space to work. I’m not necessarily talking about man cave, but I wouldn’t be against it. I want to take the existing non-finished garage and making it into a workable shop.
Such as, but not limited to:

Floor coatings
Insulation
Wall coverings
Ceilings and lighting
Electrical
Benches/storage
Water/plumbing

I have done all these things in my own places, but not as a business. Any thoughts or ideas? I realize I may get blasted, but I think this is a marketable idea. One thing I realize is I would need an electricians license, how do I go about that?
 
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Yea, don't know about Missouri, but getting and electrician licence in NYC is nuts. You need to work 10 - 15 years under a licenced electrician. Then you can take the test. Then assuming you met all other criteria, you can start getting all the paperwork, insurance, bonds whatever else you need. I hope its easier where you are.
 

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I agree with Falcon67 -

You can serve as a General Contractor for electric and plumbing and sub-contract the work to guys you trust who have the proper credentials. Then you can handle the other things yourself. You'll need to make sure you, yourself comply with the local regulations and licensing requirements, which vary by city/county/state.
 
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I know a few contractors, so the GC part may not be that big a deal. Seems like the steps generally are
1) pick a name for the business
2) go to city hall or the appropriate county office
3) money and paperwork changes hands
4) drive around and find a decent sized rock
5) climb rock, point hammer straight up into the sky and shout I AM A CONTRACTOR!
6) place ads in local publications

;)
 
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Yeah, thanks guys. I have been thinking about this for a while. Being the GC is no problem, but I know getting an electrician and a plumber to show up as needed can be a PITA, so that is why I was considering it myself.
Falcon- Isn't it state law that I use some craft paint to put the company name and number on the side of my truck, or is that just a local deal? lol
 

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I've thought about the need for this type of business over the years as I have been on various job sites. I built the kitchen in a $2M home that was to be in a showcase of homes tour. They did all kinds of work to the home. The large detached garage, however was nothing but blank drywall and concrete floor.

I tried to suggest they do something with it, but the only ideas they were interested in revolved around mimicking the house's detailed woodwork in the garage. I'm sure it would be nice, but wouldn't really be a working space - just pretty parking.

Who would your target customers be? It might make sense to try and find some builders to work with, who might offer your services as an option when spec'ing a home to a new buyer. You would then be a sub, however it might get you some exposure and perhaps help make contacts. This might also get you better access to other subs who might be more timely versus calling joe plumber every once in a while.

Many garage people are DIY'ers themselves. Sure there are some who would pay for it to be done, but many who like to work IN there garage also like to work ON it.
 

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Falcon- Isn't it state law that I use some craft paint to put the company name and number on the side of my truck, or is that just a local deal? lol

Magnetic decal is better, doesn't wash off in the rain and it's easily removed to help dodge dissatisfied customers. :lol_hitti
 

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Before you worry about the technicalities, make sure there is a solid business out there. Who is your target audience? How will you reach them? How much would your service cost? Keep in mind that most people who want their place to be a workshop have less money, and more time. AND they are DIYers who are more likely to do the work themselves (albeit slowly). Those with money to hire you are less likely to want to WORK in a shop, and more likely to want their garage to be more man cave and less work space.

That doesn't mean there isn't potential, just make sure there is plenty of work before you jump into it too deep.
 

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I'm a General Contractor here in North Carolina, so take this with a grain of salt. As with every business you need to find your customer and I believe you will find that the demand is very low for custom garages. I have built homes from 89k to 1.25mil, and the garage is the last thing most homeowners put any thought into. Most could care less about other features other than a automatic door opener. With home sales and home values in the toliet, I think it would be a tough sale for homeowner to justify a 25k cosmetic upgrade to the garage.

I think the custom garage person is a DIY type guy who would more than likely handle this him/herself and leave the contractor for the full blown kitchen or basement remodel. I have thought about this business model but can not see the demand to justify license, insurance, overhead. Just my thoughts...
 

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Magnetic decal is better, doesn't wash off in the rain and it's easily removed to help dodge dissatisfied customers. :lol_hitti

I seem to remember that if you use the magnetic decals (in Oklahoma) you can't deduct vehicular expenses as "business expenses". Check your state's requirements on taxes before committing.
 
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Well, if nothing else, I am patient and would not jump before I did my homework.
The audience I see most are the houses 5 to 25 years old. Their owners have been in the house a while and now are settled, the inside is done, but have no idea what to do with the blank slate where they park the car. I see the garage doors open, with a nice car or bike on one side and some tools scattered on the other. The walls still wearing the sheetrock and mud that the original builder put up to pass inspection, not even a coat of paint. I would offer everything from custom paint on up.
I think a lot of people would like to do more in the garage, but have no idea how to start. I see a lot of the plastic crates with no organization to make these things work. They may have got tools as gifts, and lots of stuff, but need help to put a plan together and make a workable space.
Being able to offer a service
It seems there might also be a market for the wealthy/trophy wife trying to help her husband get his “man-card” back by having a cool garage/shop, and at the same time have a nice place to park her SUV and BMW convertible? haha :bounce:
 

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I agree with NCCheesehead. I think if you were a GC that worked on multiple types of projects, and included your nicely finished garage as one type of work that you can do, it'd cast a wider net for you to be successful.
 

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Magnetic decal is better, doesn't wash off in the rain and it's easily removed to help dodge dissatisfied customers. :lol_hitti

Plus on the weekends instead of being the company's truck, it's your own "personal" truck again when you take the magnetic stickers off. :lol_hitti
 
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I'm a General Contractor here in North Carolina, so take this with a grain of salt. As with every business you need to find your customer and I believe you will find that the demand is very low for custom garages. I have built homes from 89k to 1.25mil, and the garage is the last thing most homeowners put any thought into. Most could care less about other features other than a automatic door opener. With home sales and home values in the toliet, I think it would be a tough sale for homeowner to justify a 25k cosmetic upgrade to the garage.

I think the custom garage person is a DIY type guy who would more than likely handle this him/herself and leave the contractor for the full blown kitchen or basement remodel. I have thought about this business model but can not see the demand to justify license, insurance, overhead. Just my thoughts...

I definitely see what you are saying about the initial build, most customers want to get into the house. My thought is after they have lived there a while and the house is finished, some may want some garage upgrades, maybe not the 25k, but a nicer place to park their rides. Maybe??:bounce:
 
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Before you worry about the technicalities, make sure there is a solid business out there. Who is your target audience? How will you reach them? How much would your service cost? Keep in mind that most people who want their place to be a workshop have less money, and more time. AND they are DIYers who are more likely to do the work themselves (albeit slowly). Those with money to hire you are less likely to want to WORK in a shop, and more likely to want their garage to be more man cave and less work space.

That doesn't mean there isn't potential, just make sure there is plenty of work before you jump into it too deep.

I'm a General Contractor here in North Carolina, so take this with a grain of salt. As with every business you need to find your customer and I believe you will find that the demand is very low for custom garages. I have built homes from 89k to 1.25mil, and the garage is the last thing most homeowners put any thought into. Most could care less about other features other than a automatic door opener. With home sales and home values in the toliet, I think it would be a tough sale for homeowner to justify a 25k cosmetic upgrade to the garage.

I think the custom garage person is a DIY type guy who would more than likely handle this him/herself and leave the contractor for the full blown kitchen or basement remodel. I have thought about this business model but can not see the demand to justify license, insurance, overhead. Just my thoughts...
Good thoughts go before me.

I am a general contractor as well but what's more is that I have been a specialty contractor for most of my 40 years in the biz. I could write a book, but I'll try to summarize some points:

Target market, yes sir. You need to know this aspect of marketing more than anything else. I'd try selling for another entity before launching any business that will cost you any capital to set up. And what serious business doesn't require capital investment?

Sub contract vs. in house. Either way, you need insurance and GC insurance is the most expensive. Don't leave home w/o it.

People. Well, they are picky and then some. Even though it's only a garage, they will examine the work like it was a trophy kitchen. Be prepared. Oh, and the checkbook always seems to be out of reach. You need to have really good agreements and stick to them with no give aways. Even at that, you will give away a lot of time. And there is a time to do that for goodwill and all that, but you have to stay business like from the get go or you will be had time wise.

Planning and salesmanship. The ability to produce the job in a 3 dimensional laptop program for presentation purposes will save a lot of time in planning, changes and, worst of all, in progress changes. You will want to print out plan view and wall elevations also stating all details, brands, level of finishes, everything. You can't be too detailed. They may only want to skim over some of this, but beware of that and get initials on every page.

I could go on but I'll wait and see what others have to say and comment accordingly.
 

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A couple of suggestions:

1. Specialize: pick an area: floor coating, storage, or whatever.

2. Start small, win big. Start big, lose big.

3. Avoid any/all debt.

4. Critically review your business plan, "How do I bring value to this market?"

5. Your number one job will be SALES. How are your sales skills?
 

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Three major rules of being a plumber:
1. **** runs downhill
2. Payday is on Friday
3. Bossman is a SOB....Sour Old *******
 

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A couple of suggestions:

1. Specialize: pick an area: floor coating, storage, or whatever.

2. Start small, win big. Start big, lose big.

3. Avoid any/all debt.

4. Critically review your business plan, "How do I bring value to this market?"

5. Your number one job will be SALES. How are your sales skills?

Very well said with a lot fewer words. I would emphasize No. 1. That's really a good idea. Get in and then sell up or add services. If you come out to estimate cabinets and get the job, then the customer wants to know how he is gonna get the floor done, well you do that too. And you could sub that.

Interestingly enough, I have been in the door and window business for 25 years of the 40 and the only added services that have come into focus were painting and mouldings. The home improvement business is highly specialized and very competitive.
 

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Y'all are thinking to small, go big

Considering that there are at least two home fix up shows on ManCaves,
you need to be the first to specialize in garages. The money made is
in the advertising and gifting from the suppliers of products.

Did I say go big?

Just do it with some networks money.


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just as an idea, how about being a consultant (some catchy name consultant)

One of the reasons I came to this site was for ideas and some idea about what works what doesnt, what was the best ideas for a lift, storage, benches, tool boxes etc.


Some kind of business where you charge for a garage plan where you spec out what to use for floor covering, wall covering, lights and all the rest, you could also install the items you wanted to work with , and work a deal with any subs for those items that you didnt want to deal with.
If a guy doesnt come to a site like this, the options out there are overwhelming and most just get lost, having a plan would help, if you were good on a computer and could show the customer what "Their" garage would look like with your plan, it seems like it could be marketable... even diy guys some times need a plan.
 

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Here are some ideas for marketing and sales.

Concentrate on selling to the wives. Spin a garage make over as a place you can pull the cars out and have a party room. Think about a big family gathering in your newly remodeled, organized, heated garage.
Also I would sell with the aspect of using the garage as a finished room addition that doesn’t add to your property taxes like a room addition.

USE THE SPACE THAT YOU WASTE!!!!
 

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Lots of great thoughts on this! I have been driving my wife crazy with the same idea in my area for years. I am finaly working with some builders to set up some pre planed packages or options. A basic for the spec home leaving room for upgrades later and full custom for the home being custom built and come in with the builder to sell to the customer. 4.0 Rambler is correct in that if the wife sees the storage solutions and you can add the cool man things along the way you will win. Also a garage is a garage to the tax man but when you sell, it can add those extra $$$ if you don't go overboard. I say research your area then go for it. I am almost at the go for it stage.
 

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Specializing in something and being capable to get it done is what I'm looking at.

I think your looking at closet organizers on a larger scale. I have a friend who does all her "Interior design" from Pottery Barn Catalogs. She's learned to mimic their color schemes and styles. But it's what all the women want but are to unsure of themselves to do it. And she makes good money consulting with homeowners/wives. I hope your a people person. I've heard plenty of horror stories.

Try selling "organization" specifing cabinets and maybe adding in a few personal touches for the clients. Nothing to complicated. Make it clean and neat. Sell the wives on the idea of getting her minivan back into the garage. Sell the husbands on adding in a bench and a beer fridge. After a few of those jobs you'll either pull your hair out or get the biggest coolest garage design ever.

BTW. My friend moved on to designing interiors of hotels.

Good luck.
 

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Your target audience might be the more expensive or exclusive suburbs. Most of the people in the other suburbs work in their garages and do their own work. I know of several "car collectors" who don't change their own oil but live in expensive neighborhoods and hired contractors to do garage makeovers. You could pass out fliers at local cruise nights and target the guys with the expensive new cars and white golf shirts.
 

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One of those companies in Auburn Hills, Michigan, just went out of business. It was a great idea, beautifull high end stuff and very expensive wall hanging systems. In our economy, that killed his business. Good Luck and try a few small jobs first. Homeowners become very picky when they spend their dollars, and so they should.
 

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For me and a lot of my friends our garage's is our domain. 90% of my enjoyment is getting my hands dirty and doing the work myself.
 

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I seem to remember that if you use the magnetic decals (in Oklahoma) you can't deduct vehicular expenses as "business expenses". Check your state's requirements on taxes before committing.

I thought the IRS dictated business deductions.

Our accountant says we don't need signs on either of the vehicles we deduct as long as we keep good records. We live on Ohio.

Consult IRS publications 463 & 535.

It would appear to be a tough economy to start that type of business, but the reports I've read indicate that the rich are continuing to spend. If you're really good at what you do, maybe you could target higher-end customers. Many high-end doctors and professional athletes like having a place to showcase their toys.
 

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I've been in industrial sales and consulting for 15 years now. Having represented Lista in a previous role with a material handling company, I had the opportunity to help clients with residential applications as well as working with several dealerships. Fast forward to 2009 and my joining Indoff Inc, I realized the amount of solutions we had that could benefit private clients and specialty shops. Along with the numerous manufacturers that we already represent, I've sought out additional solutions for my clients based on their needs. I always take a consultative approach and help them source the best solution for their application. Expect to do the consulting for free and have credit ready when setting up new manufacturers to represent. I'm a part of a large company that allows me to operate like an independent and had a new vendor just last week ask that we pay at time of order.

For the plumbing and electrical, I would recommend partnering with them. Your client may want the project done turnkey or have the plumbers and electricians be separate. They can then incorporate a finder's fee or something in the project for you having them involved.

I've spent a third of my time growing this portion of my business and not to be pessimistic, but in this economy I couldn't put all my chips into it. Biggest thing that's helped me is networking. Referrals and word of mouth are key. I spent over $500 for a recent event to exhibit and came home with one qualified lead.

Feel free to contact me at [email protected] and I can address other questions you might have.

Best of luck in whatever you decide!
 

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In Missouri as a whole, I don't know if you need any sort of license (other than bonded, insurance, etc). Most of Missouri has zero building inspectors, zoning, code enforcement, etc, etc. This, I'm sure is completely different in St Louis, KC, Columbia, etc.
 
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