bww_mnm
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I think I'm most impressed that a Panamera 4S ($100k+) owner is doing his own floor! Your profession shines through w/ the detailed pics and write up. Thanks for putting together.
Garage Overhaul Using Rust Bullet for the Floor
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hippie2cams
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Being only 71 years young, I don't recall ever in my short lifespan seeing such an organized and clean looking garage. Jack Olsen would be proud except for the fact that it is not done in Olsen Green
MajorLeeGassole
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Being only 71 years young, I don't recall ever in my short lifespan seeing such an organized and clean looking garage. Jack Olsen would be proud except for the fact that it is not done in Olsen Green
Been really busy and away for a quite a while. Wanted to post an updated report for those that have been asking; the floor has held up extremely well after its first summer and lots of hot and wet tires going in and out. Zero lift or peeling of any kind.
As before, I'm not suggesting that as the years go by, nothing could change, so I'll be sure to keep everyone updated.
Also recently got a new addition to the garage - some pics attached.
As before, I'm not suggesting that as the years go by, nothing could change, so I'll be sure to keep everyone updated.
Also recently got a new addition to the garage - some pics attached.
55cadillacking
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You are a man of wealth and taste. Your car detailing regiment just became a LOT more involved!
Thanks Fatandre. Working on a plan for a 911. Just not sure which type yet.
Thanks Rick. You're right about the detailing, although silver is a lot more forgiving than black fortunately.
55cadillacking
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Screw the 911. Get a Carrera GT and be done with it!
Sunbimmer
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on the new addition, absolutely love the black wheels 
aggierailroad
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Any tips on your cleaning/detailing process? I just bought a black cayman, and keeping it clean and swirl free keeps me up at night!
if only...
Thanks Sunbimmer. They are 21" Porsche OEM's. I always liked black rims on silver cars. I may however need to lower the Cayenne about 2 inches.
For a black car, first rule is never touch the paint unless you have to. When you do, make sure you use the right tools.
For regular washing use a good foaming soap like DP extreme foam and use a microfiber wash mitt. My favorite is the Griots. Use the two bucket method or a foam gun. And keep rinsing the mitt after each panel at least.
Also work from the top down. Lower areas last as they're always the dirtiest.
For drying towles I use Griots large drying towles and I NEVER wipe or rub the paint dry. Simply lay the towel on one area and dab it down with no movement. These towles just **** up water, and by not wiping or rubbing you keep the finish as close to defect free as possblie.
No matter how careful you are, even things like pollen and environmental fallout will contaminate the paint, and that leads to the fun stuff...
The Blackfire products I use for a full detail (after claying with Griots paint clay once every 9 months or so) are:
Step 1 - SRC Compound. (scratch/swirl removal if required)
Step 2 - Gloss Enhancing Polish
Step 3 - Wet Diamond Sealer ( this stuff is the most amazing product of all. Easy application and removal. Magnificent results)
Step 4 - Midnight Sun Wax (both the paste and spray versions are excellent)
About every 2 to 3 months I'll do a quicker detail starting at step 3.
Step 4 every Month after washing. And after a regular weekly was I'll use the Midnight Sun detail spray.*@#$
The products are designed to give Black paint an amazing deep liquid glow rather than a synthetic shiny look ( difficult to explain but easy to see)
Scratch Resistant Compound:
See example below when I removed the dealer swirls. Compounded area on left of tape, untouched area on right.*@#$
The hood afterwards:
Here is a pic outside in full sunlight. Zero swirls:
If you check out Autopiaforums.com for detailed usage instructions on all the Blackfire products. Autogeek and Detailed Image are also great detailing forums.
I learnt pretty much everything I know from these 3 forums.
aggierailroad
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Thanks for the tips. I use the two bucket method with a grit guard in the rinse. I think the thing that has really helped me has been to use a pure white micro fiber mitt. I can see the dirt accumulate after a wipe and know to when to switch sides/rinse. I've also been using dedicated cloths for plastic/paint/wheels/tires etc. and based upon your supply cabinet you do too. I can only assume this is a good technique.
I'll have to check out the wax and shine products you mentioned. I've only had it for about a month and haven't had to go to that depth yet. Luckily there are no "dealer" swirls or scratches - however I know that the ones put on the car will be from me - which isn't a great feeling...
Here's to awesome cars
I'll have to check out the wax and shine products you mentioned. I've only had it for about a month and haven't had to go to that depth yet. Luckily there are no "dealer" swirls or scratches - however I know that the ones put on the car will be from me - which isn't a great feeling...
Here's to awesome cars
Thanks for the tips. I use the two bucket method with a grit guard in the rinse. I think the thing that has really helped me has been to use a pure white micro fiber mitt. I can see the dirt accumulate after a wipe and know to when to switch sides/rinse. I've also been using dedicated cloths for plastic/paint/wheels/tires etc. and based upon your supply cabinet you do too. I can only assume this is a good technique.
I'll have to check out the wax and shine products you mentioned. I've only had it for about a month and haven't had to go to that depth yet. Luckily there are no "dealer" swirls or scratches - however I know that the ones put on the car will be from me - which isn't a great feeling...
Here's to awesome cars
Sounds like you're already well on track then
Have you taken a set of bright work lights (or a BrinkMan Swirl Finder) close up to the paint (when the car is indoors)?
If you have and you have no dealer imparted swirls, I really need to know where you bought your car, because you are one lucky person in that case.
Also note that before delivery dealers use products with a lot of fillers so the scratches typically stay hidden from view until the first 5 or 6 washes start to clear them away.
Not trying to scare you, or disagree with you. Just stating what I've seen from experience. If you did get a truly clean car then that is really great and it will save you a LOT of hours
Blondziegbart
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I'll agree one can never have too many P-cars in the garage. I suggest an '02 GT2 or late model GT3 RS to round out the stable, add a little raucousness to the elegance.
Discovering this thread rather late in the game, seems impressive in the details.
The form and minimalism are nice. I went with a tad more wall-art and similar but there is much to be said for allowing the colors and lines of paint and cabinets to define the motif w/o distraction.
Discovering this thread rather late in the game, seems impressive in the details.
The form and minimalism are nice. I went with a tad more wall-art and similar but there is much to be said for allowing the colors and lines of paint and cabinets to define the motif w/o distraction.
dubber
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Great to see you back on here and love the new choice of a stable mate.
aggierailroad
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Sounds like you're already well on track then
Have you taken a set of bright work lights (or a BrinkMan Swirl Finder) close up to the paint (when the car is indoors)?
If you have and you have no dealer imparted swirls, I really need to know where you bought your car, because you are one lucky person in that case.
Also note that before delivery dealers use products with a lot of fillers so the scratches typically stay hidden from view until the first 5 or 6 washes start to clear them away.
Not trying to scare you, or disagree with you. Just stating what I've seen from experience. If you did get a truly clean car then that is really great and it will save you a LOT of hours
I'll snap some pics after the next wash. I'm quite sure, now that you mention it, that some kind of thick paste wax was applied to hide the scratches. After two washes the water still comes off in sheets and beads up quite nicely. Bought it from Porsche - Austin.
AZ Pete
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Well done! As I read the first part about the process you used to remove the old paint, I was thinking...it's only a garage. The finished product made me understand the value of the effort you have put into it. Great looking Porsche show room!
chenthu
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Wow, just saw this, love the new addition to your stable.. makes the garage look even more better!
Good luck. I hope you find it's not too bad. Let us know.
Thank you Pete.
Wow, just saw this, love the new addition to your stable.. makes the garage look even more better!
Thanks. I love the updates to yours also
ShumanSS6.0
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Every time I think about going with a color other than red, somehow I come back to this thread and see those amazing walls. Just tell me it was the most difficult thing, I shouldn't waste my time and it doesn't look nearly that good in real life!
Nice addition to the stable as well, great choice on the wheels.
Nice addition to the stable as well, great choice on the wheels.
Thanks
It was indeed stressful because it really looked bad after the first 2 coats. However the final result really is as good as the pics and in fact even better. The color has an amazing translucence and changes with differing light and angles. Everyone that sees it in person always comments about the red. As I mentioned in an earlier post, the paint is VERY thin due to the amount of red dye. But, I think this is an advantage, because over the white base coat it allows light to penetrate a little which really makes it look alive.
Let me put it this way; despite the number of coats required, it was only one accent wall, so if I had to do it again I would use a white base coat again, and I would use exactly the same Red, and even the same brand and line, because I think it is that perfect for my taste. I just wouldn't want to take the risk of trying any other combination or option because it would almost certainly look different.
Just to sure to maintain a wet edge as you roll, and be patient. You'll be glad you did...
Probably not the answer you wanted
55cadillacking
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Haha! I envision ShumanSS6.0 crying in a pool of red paint cursing you to high heaven.
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69bigblok
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Got that 911 yet? I still look through your thread to enjoy the great looking space you have. Hope you are doing well and Happy New Year!
Hi Chad,
Happy new year to you too!
No 911 yet. Still looking...
Added 2 small items to the garage over Christmas and need to take some Pics, but unfortunately they weren't cars
Your space is looking superb also. Stopped by your thread and see you and Rick are still stimulating lot's of ideas in the forum.
55cadillacking
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Added 2 small items to the garage over Christmas and need to take some Pics, but unfortunately they weren't cars
I'm interested to learn more.
No rest for the wicked.
dubber
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Added 2 small items to the garage over Christmas and need to take some Pics, but unfortunately they weren't cars
Also curious to see your updates as i have yet to be disappointed with any addition to your space, large or small
Sims5
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Great looking garage! Curious about the cost of Rust Bullet. Do you know what it costs per sq ft?
Very nice garage. Just a suggestion, skip the flex machine. They are over rated. Ive owned about every polisher on the market and still prefer my griots machine over the flex. Rupes seem to be all the rage at the moment. I had one of the Rupes 15 models and wasnt impressed at all. Most people say the 21 is a lot better. Do you read detailedbliss? Its prolly the best detail forum going now.
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69bigblok
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Hi Chad,
Happy new year to you too!
No 911 yet. Still looking...
Added 2 small items to the garage over Christmas and need to take some Pics, but unfortunately they weren't cars
Your space is looking superb also. Stopped by your thread and see you and Rick are still stimulating lot's of ideas in the forum.
Sounds like you are enjoying the space. Keep looking for that 911 and keep us posted on your changes!
Also curious to see your updates as i have yet to be disappointed with any addition to your space, large or small
Will get some pics taken this week. It's a subtle addition, but I like it.
Nice to see you are doing great with all the detailing Dubber.
I used 3 gallons on my floor, which was enough for 2 very good coats. (dimensions listed earlier in the thread I think) The list price seems to be around $160 per gallon but I've seen it go on sale a number of times.
Thanks that's interesting to know about the Flex. Pricey machine and I love the GG also. It's done a LOT of hours work for me. Thanks for giving me one more forum I now have to join
Will do Chad = thanks
55cadillacking
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I am really enjoying my Flex 3401. I love the GG's, too, but the Flex has cast its spell on me.
I joined that site the other day. Looks pretty good.
e-tek
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Wow - what a show piece garage! Interesting product mix throughout. I actually have a fair bit of experience with various rust paints and now RustBullet, including an ongoing stress test (on metal) that will conclude in the spring. You can see it in my blog.
I absolutely love Behr paints. I have yet to find a thicker, easier to apply, paint for home application. We painted an interior wall red a few years back and used a pink primer. Even so it took 5 costs to get full coverage. Never again!
Enjoy your garage, but please, update us over the long term. I used Rustoleum's EpoxySheild and it lifted after 2 years from water sitting on it (from wet cars), so I wouldn't recommend that.
Cheers!
I absolutely love Behr paints. I have yet to find a thicker, easier to apply, paint for home application. We painted an interior wall red a few years back and used a pink primer. Even so it took 5 costs to get full coverage. Never again!
Enjoy your garage, but please, update us over the long term. I used Rustoleum's EpoxySheild and it lifted after 2 years from water sitting on it (from wet cars), so I wouldn't recommend that.
Cheers!
RivennHewn
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Well done, on both the garage and the write up.
dubber
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Thanks! Wish i could have done more with the paint on my Black Golf, like your panamera, but with our extremely Salty winters it was a lost cause. Decided to go with red for the new daily.
69bigblok
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EMC2 - How did you get your lines so clean between the red and white? Do you like to tape off those areas, use one of those paint trim pad gadgets or just have a steady hand?
Others have a tried and true method when tackling diy painting?
Others have a tried and true method when tackling diy painting?
shurkai
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Did you mean detailingbliss
I found a great tip online somewhere that really worked well. Can't find the link anymore so here's my summary.
I'll use my walls as an example to describe the process:
I painted the red wall last as it was a darker color next to an adjacent light color wall.
Once you've taped up the line (scotch blue tape), to form the boundary between the red and white, you take one more step before even openening the can of red.
At the point where the red paint is going to meet the edge of the tape you first paint a strip of paint along that border with the same color paint that is on the adjacent wall (white in my case).
This ensures that if any paint was going to leak/bleed under the tape, it would be the same color as the wall it is leaking onto.
It also essentially creates a seal at the same time so that when you start with the red, it cannot get under the tape ruining the line.
That is all that is required to ensure good lines.
Except don't forget that if you are using a darker primer under the red you should apply that after the white strip, to ensure uniformity.