Above 1200 Sq/FT Garage Refurb®

[captain14]

Great deal on the insulation and you are not controlled by the weather.

A month ago you were worried about getting anything done last the foundation and now it’s almost weathertight.

 

[Jeff Ivers]

Sure glad to see you have your expansion all weather tight. When is the door going up?

 

[NUTTSGT]

Great progress on that addition.

Thanks, While I didn't get a lot done today, I felt I actually made some progress forward.

 

[NUTTSGT]

Great deal on the insulation and you are not controlled by the weather.

A month ago you were worried about getting anything done last the foundation and now it’s almost weathertight.

It's getting closer to weather tight. Believe it or not, the blue tarp is doing alright for the few bucks it cost at HF.



Some where in my figuring, I came up with a false number. I thought I needed 14 rolls for the walls and 5 for the ceiling. I caught my mistake last night after I made that post prior.

Looking at the notepad that I did my math on, I have a number and I don't know where it came from. What I needed was a total of 23 rolls. I bought an extra roll just in case. Turns out 24 was a good number as the rolls come in a bale of 6.

So I loaded up 4 bales in my truck. If they weren't baled together, I don't think I could brought them home in one trip. My dump trailer is still loaded up at my buddy's with his roof debris.

However, the savings buying in volume saved me about $10/roll x 24 rolls + $240. I have a rebate to be mailed for $64. So it came out to a $300 savings buying it all at once rather than piece mealing one or two at a time. It's also deferred on the Green card for 6 months but will be paid for before that, long before.

 

[NUTTSGT]

Sure glad to see you have your expansion all weather tight. When is the door going up?

You don't like my blue tarp ?






I'm still waiting on the door to come in. When I ordered it, they told me the last week of November.

 

[NUTTSGT]

Started getting some wall sheathing up. There's fiberglass behind it. I used what I brought home from my parent's pole bldg build. I'll be mounting the sub panel on this wall.

 

[NUTTSGT]

Disregard my delay in posting. I'm searching the internet for a few things that I need to finish the electrical work tomorrow.



I have the sub panel/breaker box mounted. I have an LB attached and the white PVC pipe is only for mock up. The conduit was a full stick and I didn't want to try and stick that through the wall. Ground rod in the foreground needs driven in out front.

Hopefully, I'll have power in the addition tomorrow. I can run the Reddy Heater over there as it's getting cooler out.



What isn't pictured is that I have insulation in the adjoining wall around the door opening. Once it was in, I nailed up a sheet of 1/2" plywood over it. I'll cut the door way soon.

 

[NUTTSGT]

Inside, I have the conduit mocked up. I need to get the proper size hole saw to drill through the OSB sheathing. It's cut and ready to install but needs a hole for the LB fitting.

 

[xtremek]

Really good progress.

 

[bugnut]

Eric you're moving right along. Looks like you could be nearly done before snow fall begins!

Cause we know we are never done in the garage!

 

[1Garageman]

That is great that you can now work on the electric and stuff inside, since it is raining all day. How many amps is your subpanel going to be?

 

[NUTTSGT]

That is great that you can now work on the electric and stuff inside, since it is raining all day. How many amps is your subpanel going to be?

Umm, you asked me too fast. LOL. I think it's a 100A panel and feed with a 90 A breaker. I bought the stuff a few months back and don't remember off the top of my head.

 

[NUTTSGT]

That is great that you can now work on the electric and stuff inside, since it is raining all day. How many amps is your subpanel going to be?

Here's a picture of the end of the Square D QO breaker box. I have Square D QO boxes in the house and the main panel in the garage is also a QO panel. I wanted to keep all the boxes the same. If need be and something happens, I can swap out a breaker between if necessary. Say the breaker for the stove fails tomorrow, being Thanksgiving, nobody will be open. However, I can go out to the garage and rob a 50A breaker to replace the failed stove breaker.

We have power. Although nothing is hooked up, the box is hot. I have both breakers off at the moment. Keep in mind, it was raining about all day and I have yet to install a ground rod. If the rain holds off, I will do that in the morning while the wife is cooking the bird.

I'll also add, I had the level on the box when I screwed it up. I know it looks really bad in the picture but it is only off slightly. I'm going to see if I can get it level and plumb tomorrow. . . . otherwise, it's going to drive me

 

[NUTTSGT]

Really good progress.

Thanks, I had to make two trips to Lowes/Menard's today. When I came home I started working and realized, I also needed a ground bar. So I made a trip to the ACE in town, nope. I knew I should have just went back to Ontario and grabbed one. Since I was in town, I made the run to Marion Lowe's and also stopped at Rural King trying to find some new Carhartt jeans.

Eric you're moving right along. Looks like you could be nearly done before snow fall begins!

Cause we know we are never done in the garage!

Nearly done ? Probably not even close. Metal ceiling won't go up until sometime next year along with fluorescent LED lights. I will have the wire run for them though.

It's just be nice to have the door come in so I could get it closed up tight.

 

[Trapps]

Everything is looking great!

 

[NUTTSGT]

Everything is looking great!

Thanks Trapps. I appreciate the compliment.

 

[racer-john]

Happy Thanksgiving, NUTTSGT.

 

[xtremek]

Happy Thanksgiving.

 

[casmurbax]

Happy Thanksgiving Eric.

 

[NUTTSGT]

Happy Thanksgiving, NUTTSGT.

Happy Thanksgiving.

Happy Thanksgiving Eric.

Happy Thanksgiving to you guys as well. Hope all of you had a great and safe holiday.

 

[NUTTSGT]

My cell phone didn't take the best pictures with limited light. It's fine to work by but not for photography.


Here's the box so far. Bottom right breaker for the outlet under the box. My step-dad, retired factory electrician always taught me to put an outlet right outside of the box. This allows you to have a power source when you're working right there.

I added 4 other 20A breakers. Top left is for the west wall outlets and the wire is run to the boxes but not wired up yet.


Ground rod also installed. . . .

Building a double wall with a space between allows for easy wire pulling. No holes had to be drilled, winner, winner.

Tomorrow, I will be digging the space heater out and getting some heat in there. My hands started to get a little cold and figured I would quit early.

 

[xtremek]

Moving pretty quickly. I thought you said the ceiling probably wouldn't be in until spring, but when do you think you'll have most of it done?

 

[1Garageman]

Hope you had a Happy Thanksgiving with the family!

That is nice that you are putting a 100amp panel in.

Question, sorry to bother you, but I have never heard of, "double wall with a space between allows for easy wire pulling. No holes had to be drilled".
Could you briefly explain that, or point me in the right direction to look that up? I am going to be turning the third car bay in my garage to my workplace and putting up a wall, and setting up the other three walls. I am curious about this not having to drill through the studs! THat would save me some time.
Thanks,
Rich

 

[NUTTSGT]

Moving pretty quickly. I thought you said the ceiling probably wouldn't be in until spring, but when do you think you'll have most of it done?

Not really sure. I'm just trying to get things done to have it closed up and keep some progress going. Once the door is in and I can close it up, I need to put a drain tile in and move some dirt.

After the door is on, things can move slower and I can start on getting my garage cleaned. It's currently quite the mess with stuff all over.

I picked up 2 more sheets of 1/2" plywood for the wall yesterday when I was at Menard's. I should have splurged for 4 ply over the 3 ply for an extra 30¢/sheet. It looks much better with less voids/knots. I figure I have all the insulation so every time I go to Menard's, I'm going to pick up a few sheets of plywood.

 

[NUTTSGT]

Hope you had a Happy Thanksgiving with the family!

That is nice that you are putting a 100amp panel in.

Question, sorry to bother you, but I have never heard of, "double wall with a space between allows for easy wire pulling. No holes had to be drilled".
Could you briefly explain that, or point me in the right direction to look that up? I am going to be turning the third car bay in my garage to my workplace and putting up a wall, and setting up the other three walls. I am curious about this not having to drill through the studs! THat would save me some time.
Thanks,
Rich

Thanks Rich, all of my fellow members had a great and safe time with family this Thanksgiving.

The double wall is an actual term, it's just what I have.

If you look at the pictures, you can see the silver foil. This is the old exterior of the garage. It's foil faced OSB that I sheathed the walls in before I added vinyl siding.

As the garage, the original part of it, was built in 1936 or '37, it had a very shallow foundation. The back of the garage was added on the mid 60's, then another addition on the west side.

The east wall where I added the addition had a shallow poured concrete foundation. The back where the 60's addition was done had a concrete block foundation deeper. I knew that I didn't want to attach the new roof for the addition to the old wall. I built and entire foundation for the new addition. Because of the varying east wall foundation, my block had a small between it and the old foundation.

At the base of my foundation, there is a slight dog leg (zig-zag) in the block. As I laid the courses up, I straightened them out. Then the wall was built on top of this block and had a gap, of various width, between it and the older wall.

The gap between these two walls allowed me to run the wire between the old exterior wall and behind the new wall studs. I didn't have to drill holes to run the wire and could nail the staples right to the flat wall.


Long winded but it's kind of hard to explain over typing. Seeing it in person, you'd easily understand. My back was bothering me again yesterday and I went to the chiropractor this morning. He got me straightened out and I decided to take it easy for a few days. I go back to my shift on Monday, after several shifts of vacation. I plan on getting back at it on Tuesday with the electrical.

 

[1Garageman]

Thanks for the explanation, I now understand it. Hope your back feels better today.

 

[NUTTSGT]

Thanks for the explanation, I now understand it. Hope your back feels better today.

It does but I'm at work so no work on it today. I did test out and see how much better it felt, 2 miles on the treadmill. I actually think it helped stretching the muscles out.

Tomorrow after breakfast, I'm going to dig the space heater out and get (try) the wiring done.

 

[NUTTSGT]

Doggone panoramic setting was on when I took this picture. I got all the outlets wired up. I started on the wiring for the lights but the space heater ran out of kerosene. I'll fill it back up tomorrow and attempt to get the lights wired.

There will be no permanent lights at this time, just temp bulb holders with some LED bulbs. Once the ceiling is done, metal up, I'm going to put in four 4 bulb T8 fixtures. This will be similar but probably not same brand as what's in the rest of the garage.

1Garageman, the above picture may show more detail of how I could the wire behind the stud wall.


I have part of one wall done spray foaming the bottom of the stud cavity. I need to get more Great Stuff foam. Having a 2x6 wall cavity, it takes more foam, more than I expected.

I'm considering buying a Great Stuff Pro gun but he XL model I bought did NOT impress me. Not sure if it was old foam or just the long gun. I don't think the foam ever dispensed properly. I also cleaned it and after I hung it up, foam started coming out of it. I know it's probably junk.

 

[Lotusnut]

I would suggest you put the outlets up at 4 feet high even if you do not plan on benches. Then when there is equipment near the wall you can get to the plug without having to move everything around. Just my experience yours may be different.

 

[NUTTSGT]

I would suggest you put the outlets up at 4 feet high even if you do not plan on benches. Then when there is equipment near the wall you can get to the plug without having to move everything around. Just my experience yours may be different.

I'm not putting any benches on this side. Maybe moving the welding table over here or making a new one but no work bench.

Depending on the layout once I start finishing it out, I'm think of putting a steel rack down one side and mounting the abrasive chop saw along the outer wall.

I was thinking of two sections of pallet racking but after seeing how much it was going to take up, I'm now considering 1 section.

 

[NUTTSGT]

I made a trip to Menard's today and picked up more Great Stuff foam. I wanted to get all the base of the stud cavities filled before I put insulation in the walls. I used strips of OSB and some 2x6 screwed to the walls to get a "foam form". As I work tomorrow, the boards will come off on Friday. Then I can start putting my R19 fiberglass in the walls.

(ignore the white streak, that is a crack in the glass covering the lens on my phone)

There is a little bit more in some of these cavities than others but I think they all have atleast 3" of foam. I also ran a bead in all the outside wall corners. While you may think it's unneeded, I found it really works from past experience. A little money spent now will save in the future with heating this area. It will get a duct from the wood burner in the near future.

I thought I was careful nailing the outside wall sheathing like I should. I taped the Zip like I was supposed to but still found one spot with some daylight showing at the sill plate.

See the 3 spots of daylight, each end and in the center.

 

[NUTTSGT]

All the electrical wiring is done for now. Once the walls go up, I'm going to surface mount the conduit for the welders. The lights are temporary in the permanent positions, make sense ? I'm going to put up 4 strip lights where these lights are. I hung some pigtail sockets up with LED bulbs.

Now that there is 4 bulbs and spaced out more, it's way better than the previous 2 bulbs lighting the area. Since the John Deere will sit near the door, I decided to split the lights, front and back. Why not ? I had the switches, a double gang box and the wire. All I had to do is pick up a switch cover, less than $2. Money well spent.

Again, ignore the white streaks. The 4th bulbs is right above where I was standing so you can't see it.

 

[tj675]

This is looking really good. Love the attention to detail.

 

[NUTTSGT]

This is looking really good. Love the attention to detail.

Thanks. I've tried a few different things out over the years and trying to put it all together in this addition, sparing no expense. At least trying to do it right and not cut any corners.

If we get my parents house in the future, I will have to put up a building. The 24x32 they just put up will be nice but I have too much stuff for that size. So when I started thinking about this build, I wanted to put all my ideas together and see what happens, basically a "test build."

One thing that I didn't get to use was 1/2" foil faced OSB for roof sheathing. I used it on the exterior walls of the rest of the garage before I vinyl sided it several years back.

I could have ordered it from Menard's (they used to stock it) but with Winter closing in, I didn't think I could spare the time waiting on it. It's bad enough, waiting on the O/H door.

 

[casmurbax]

Eric, that is coming along very nicely. Glad you didn't give up on it this year.

 

[NUTTSGT]

Eric, that is coming along very nicely. Glad you didn't give up on it this year.

Me too. Im going to make a phone call tomorrow and check on my overhead door. I think I ordered it on October 8th.

 

[Johanfpa]

Hope you get your door soon, why is there such a delay getting a garage door or is it a custom size bespoke job?
Anyway you are doing a fantastic job with great attention to detail as others have already remarked before. I think that attention to detail is where you can make the difference between self build and most commercial jobs because the time it takes to do that.

 

[NUTTSGT]

Hope you get your door soon, why is there such a delay getting a garage door or is it a custom size bespoke job?
Anyway you are doing a fantastic job with great attention to detail as others have already remarked before. I think that attention to detail is where you can make the difference between self build and most commercial jobs because the time it takes to do that.

It's not a custom size and nothing fancy it's just a standard 9x8, insulated and a taupe color. My parents door was six weeks out for it to arrive.

They told me when I ordered it, they were having delivery issues. Partial shipments, not enough panels for the whole door. They had to physically check every order that came in to make sure all was included.

Basically, the same BS everyone has dealt with this year. People sent home from work, employers trying to compete with unemployment benefits and a building craze.

 

[xtremek]

I'm in the custom truck scene, and everyone is behind. They all say the same thing, their sales are through the roof. When you call the one company, he actually says don't bother leaving a message, because he's too busy to pick up the phone, just send him an e-mail and he'll get back to you during the evening. One company was over 6 months behind on filling orders. A ton of people are home, so they're finally getting around to taking care of the project list.

 

[NUTTSGT]

I'm in the custom truck scene, and everyone is behind. They all say the same thing, their sales are through the roof. When you call the one company, he actually says don't bother leaving a message, because he's too busy to pick up the phone, just send him an e-mail and he'll get back to you during the evening. One company was over 6 months behind on filling orders. A ton of people are home, so they're finally getting around to taking care of the project list.

Yeah, this is horrendous with the backlog of stuff, not one thing in particular, everything.


I just made the call to get an update on the door. One truck that they have been waiting is 2 weeks behind. My stuff will come in after that.


I guess I know I'll be doing for New Year's.