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kelpaso1

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Seems like weekly there is a new thread here on how it went bad for someone's slab poor. Why is that? Do people not check references of the contractors? Do they no go out and look at previous jobs? Is there that many hack job fly by nighters who think they can pour a slab? Seems like this topic is the number one with so many sub par work being done.
 
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CombatNinja

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A big contributor is the shortage of competent tradespeople. People are so desperate to get their projects moving that they will take a chance on whoever call them back.
 

mcbane

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A big contributor is the shortage of competent tradespeople. People are so desperate to get their projects moving that they will take a chance on whoever call them back.
+10

I had to wait 4 months to get a contractor from 80 miles away to do my slab. No other licensed contractor with positive references was willing to even give me a bid.
 

jimindm

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I think the problem with most of the gone wrong threads is many choose a contractor based on price.

I have to say I have done thousands of dollars worth of projects around properties of my parents, the wife parents, at my homes, and my grown kids homes, and have never had issues like you read here.

I guess maybe I am lucky to have great references from people that I trust. Once I find a good one, I stick with them and refer them.

To be honest I can not think of to many times, if ever, I have ever had a second bid. I just make one call.
 

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I suppose I am one of the lucky exceptions. I managed construction projects at a VA hospital for 34 years. The last 10 or 15 years that I worked there prior to my retirement seven years ago we had a concrete contractor who did excellent work. When I needed concrete around my place I called him. His crew consists of himself, sons, grandsons and people that have worked for him for years. They do great work. I never asked for a second bid. I always just called Sam. Perhaps I paid more than I would have with a different contractor, but I'm satisfied.
 

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The other thing I have noticed is that almost all of the people who have a problem are very aware of the correct way to do the job but they are not there to make sure the contractors crew actually does it correctly. I know darn well that if I was having a large project like that done I would absolutely be there watching.

The other thing is not having a good written contract with drawings showing all of the details.
 
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Ak Jim

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One good technique is when the local builders association has their parade of homes go to each one and ask which sub contractors they used for each trade.
 

JWILLIE1977

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All of the above.

In my experience, residential flatwork is the most problem-prone section of the concrete industry. For numerous reasons. In my opinion, the biggest reason is the fact that there are huge profits to be made, at the sacrifice of quality craftsmanship, with relatively no penalties/consequences to the contractor.

Small claims court to argue a $25k driveway? No contracts/specs/dwgs? Contractor blames ready mix. Homeowner is left to prove the contractor was negligent.

Testing/investigation work on poor concrete work can get to $10k+ pretty quick. . Cores, petrographics, expert witness. . Etc.

Most times, homeowner barely had enough money for the driveway itself, let alone the money to prove the contractor was at fault. That's why he hired the cheap guy.

I have done numerous residential flatwork investigations, never one was the fault of the home owner, or ready-mix. After investigation and testing, the smoking gun(s) always pointed back to the contractor. Not saying it doesn't happen. . But ultimately, the contractor is the one that is in control, and makes the decisions that affect the final product.

Volumes could be written on this topic, and they have.

My advice. Hire an engineer. Get specifications and drawings. Have a contract. Get it tested/inspected. Follow ACI guidelines. (4500psi for Flatwork exposed to deicing chemicals). Do your research on the contractor.
Overkill? Probably. But you need to cover your ***. You can bet the contractor will have his covered. Especially if he's been down this road before.

Under no circumstances should the homeowner ever buy the concrete for the contractor. Huge red flag.

Can't be home for the pour? Get a GoPro or some sort of video to record the activities. Excessive water addition, wire mesh being pulled up, etc.

In one instance, a customer of mine was getting ready for work as the contractor was installing the wire mesh for a driveway that was being replaced for a second time, due to over finishing defects, by the same contractor. On my advice, homeowner starts the video camera on the way out leaving for work. Later in the day, upon review of the video, Not 5 mins after he left, the contractor uninstalled the wire mesh and stacked it back on the truck. Contractor had 3 trucks back to back to back. . .screwed up the timing on the placing/finishing. Concrete was setting faster than he could get it down and screeded. Added excessive water to the 2nd and 3rd loads, and ended up using the homeowners garden hose to spray water on the still plastic concrete surface to get it to close up. All on video.

2 of the ready-mix companies in my area have been known to record video of their "problem" flatwork customers.

VERY difficult to dispute video evidence.

Not every Flatwork contractor is dishonest. There are very good ones out there. . There's a reason they aren't available on a weeks notice, and at the lowest cost. The true craftsmen can really do beautiful work with concrete. Do your research and find the right one!

Unfortunately, to call oneself a concrete contractor, one only needs credit at the bank or ready-mix supplier, and a low bid.

Do your due diligence. Find the good ones.
 

NDJ

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A big contributor is the shortage of competent tradespeople. People are so desperate to get their projects moving that they will take a chance on whoever call them back.
Yep. Reference my thread of a quote of $16,000 for a 12x22 parking slab.
The construction industry (at least here) is so hot, anyone who wants to, starts their own "company" and is doing concrete right away. Real skills or not. Just have to be a good BS'r
 
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