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er3456df

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There IS a reason for those screws / stud clips being on the drum or disc.

If the ******* kid at cheapo auto repair fails to tighten the wheel nuts, the wheel comes off while driving, the brake unit stays together preventing the brake pistons from popping entirely out when you panic hit the brakes.

Think about it........ No piston in the hole = zero braking ability on that axle.

Dave

I have never in my life seen a brake caliper that would be capable of what you are describing.
 

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I have never in my life seen a brake caliper that would be capable of what you are describing.

So, you've seen a brake disc setup that has rolled down the highway at highway speeds acting as a wheel? It is amazing what the force of motion induced stress can do to seemingly very strong items.

Dave
 

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There IS a reason for those screws / stud clips being on the drum or disc.

If the ******* kid at cheapo auto repair fails to tighten the wheel nuts, the wheel comes off while driving, the brake unit stays together preventing the brake pistons from popping entirely out when you panic hit the brakes.

Think about it........ No piston in the hole = zero braking ability on that axle.

Dave

There is NO way that was the reason they are used. It it was, every make would likely have them.
 

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I always figured it was for assembly line/alignment. I have never been able to get a rotor off without removing the caliper AND its bracket. I have seen rotors crack in half just from hard braking (honda s2000 do it on the track quiet often actually) and they don't go flying, they pretty much just drop and slide.
 

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So, you've seen a brake disc setup that has rolled down the highway at highway speeds acting as a wheel? It is amazing what the force of motion induced stress can do to seemingly very strong items.

Dave

1. That's not really what your first post said. At all.

2. If your second scenario plays out, you think that a ~1/4 bolt is going to keep the disc attached? Maybe you're underestimating force of motion induced stress on seemingly very strong items?
 

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I was under the impression that some wheels are held on with stud bolts. Kinda hard to hold that disc on the hub with no studs on the hub. The screw holds the disc in place until you can get the stud bolts thredded thru the wheel into the disc. No?
 

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I was under the impression that some wheels are held on with stud bolts. Kinda hard to hold that disc on the hub with no studs on the hub. The screw holds the disc in place until you can get the stud bolts thredded thru the wheel into the disc. No?

that is on some cars (VWs possible others) but those studs on many cars are pressed into the hub before rotor is attached.
 

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I was under the impression that some wheels are held on with stud bolts. Kinda hard to hold that disc on the hub with no studs on the hub. The screw holds the disc in place until you can get the stud bolts thredded thru the wheel into the disc. No?

I actually forgot about those because only stupid Germans seems to thing stud bolts are better. However I was thinking of my Honda Prelude, which has those stupid screws...which I quickly tossed.
 

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My old 90 Probe GT with rear disc has the wheel bearing inside it and the studs for the wheel actually pressed into it.

This thread was great before it got off topic. :wtf:
 

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I was under the impression that some wheels are held on with stud bolts. Kinda hard to hold that disc on the hub with no studs on the hub. The screw holds the disc in place until you can get the stud bolts thredded thru the wheel into the disc. No?

DING DING DING We have a winner!
 
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So, a better reason to spend money on drilling holes, tapping them, purchasing fasteners and paying fo the time to assemble it all together would be?

the time saved on the assembly line is greater than the cost of the operations & materials l you listed. nutshell: the guy putting the wheels on doesn't have to wrestle with the rotor.

you would be absolutely amazed at how many things on a car are designed specifically for this reason versus vehicle operational reasons.
 

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One thing that really worked out well for me was to use SLIDING doors on my garage cabinets rather than HINGED doors. Makes it SO easy to get what you need without fear of hitting your vehicles. Please see my build thread or video (both below) to see what I am talking about.
 

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I put a led from a 55 gal drum on the drill press under the table to catch drill shavings . Used a hole saw to cut a hole in the center and cut a notch in the side to got around the post and clear the crank. Works great and cleans up
with a vacuum cleaner.
 

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Bees wax............ can use it to hold washers upside down during assembly. can be use to check valve clearance. put it on the head of a bolt to keep it in place on the end of a socket while fishing it into hard to reach places. can be melted into rusted and seized bolts...works better than penetrating oil. spread it on a machined surface to hold a gasket in place.
 

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1. The primer won't really hurt you if it doesn't have any powder in the case BUT don't point it at anything important. It will throw a fast hot flame out and scare the bejesus out of you. I dropped 20-30 primers on the ground the other day when I was reloading. I picked most of them up but every time the office chair rolled over one it went off... sounds like a blackcat and made me jump. I finally stopped and swept the floor.

Not so much as safety hazard but as a noise hazard and scaring the bejesus out of you when you least expect it.

As a youngster, maybe 8 or 9 I was smashing caps out in the garage, remember the red rolls of caps for a cap gun ? As I was done I looked over and saw a shiny piece of metal (what I thought was metal) on the floor. So I took the hammer I was using and smacked it. Scared the **** out of me, my ears were ringing and I learned to never do that again. I'd guess they were primers for my step-dad's .243 winchester.
 
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Not so much as safety hazard but as a noise hazard and scaring the bejesus out of you when you least expect it.

As a youngster, maybe 8 or 9 I was smashing caps out in the garage, remember the red rolls of caps for a cap gun ? As I was done I looked over and saw a shiny piece of metal (what I thought was metal) on the floor. So I took the hammer I was using and smacked it. Scared the **** out of me, my ears were ringing and I learned to never do that again. I'd guess they were primers for my step-dad's .243 winchester.

Shotgun primers are even more fun. ...but they're easier to see and pick up. They will throw a nice flame out the end of the shotgun barrel (without powder).
 

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Tape a "to do" list directly on the windshield of the car so you dont forget anything like "OIL" or "connect fuel line"

:rocker:


I write on the windshield with a Sharpie. Wipes off easy, and it's hard to ignore or forget when you're staring at the words from the drivers seat.
 

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I have an old dresser in my shed that I store tools in.
It is all wood with wood on wood slides that get sticky over time and frustrating to yank open.
I found an old candle and waxed all the wood to wood contacts where the drawers slide.
Works great now. In fact I recon you could use this trick on a few wood to wood sliding surfaces. Or waxed based soap if you don't have an old candle handy.
 

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So you have a broken bolt down a hole. For smaller bolts like 5/16 or 8mm take a steel tire valve stem and cut about a half inch long piece to fit in the hole. The center hole will be about the size of an 1/8th inch drill bit. Now you have and easy way to center the bit. For larger bolts a wrap or 2 of electrical tape is all you need to get the piece of tube centered.
 

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So you have a broken bolt down a hole. For smaller bolts like 5/16 or 8mm take a steel tire valve stem and cut about a half inch long piece to fit in the hole. The center hole will be about the size of an 1/8th inch drill bit. Now you have and easy way to center the bit. For larger bolts a wrap or 2 of electrical tape is all you need to get the piece of tube centered.

Clever! My best alternative use for valve stems is as an air vent on the crappy new gas cans so they don't "chug". I use all metal ones from NAPA that are a dollar-something... :thumbup:

I could have used this earlier tonight when I was drilling out a broken bolt from a stihl blower head. 6mm; but i might have had a valve stem that fit. The bolt end protruded a bit from the case so I managed to get a vise-grip in there are see it it turned in the hole. It did so I just chucked up a 1/8" left-hand drill and free-handed it out... :pimpflash

I'll need to go sort through all the dead stems on the floor around the tire machine - glad I haven't swept up there yet... :p
 

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a little trick i find works good if you get metal in your eye
is use a strong magnet like a angle magnet you'd use for welding
an rub it gently on you eye lid over the area the steel is in your eye
an itll pull it out..if its well up in your eye lid you'll have to move the magnet around to get it out...hasnt failed me yet though:)

an for the safety glasses brigade i do use safety glass but ya can still get the odd stray that gets around them

Bingo! I use a ~500lb MagSwitch magnet to pull metal out of my eyes. It seems even if you wear safety glasses under a face-shield, somehow, something will still eventually make it past. The MagSwitch has enough pull to get anything out. I've actually gone to a buddy's house with it to get something out of his eye from the day before.. and it got it.. much to my friends dismay. His eye had already started healing around the sliver, and the magnet pulled it out.
 

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when removing a lower ball joint on pretty much any honda if it does not break loose with the usual swing of a BFG put your jack under the ball joint with a socket in between the joint and the jack (leaving the castle nut on with just a few threads so you dont **** them up) pump the jack just a few times to take some weight off the stands and almost guarantee it will break free in my experiences
 

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when removing a lower ball joint on pretty much any honda if it does not break loose with the usual swing of a BFG put your jack under the ball joint with a socket in between the joint and the jack (leaving the castle nut on with just a few threads so you dont **** them up) pump the jack just a few times to take some weight off the stands and almost guarantee it will break free in my experiences

When using a ball joint remover / installer (the giant heavy duty c-clamp tool), I found it's easier on the tool to tighten the clamp with an impact, then use a hammer to hit the back of the screw. Joint pops loose on the 1st or 2nd hit.

Works for getting joints pressed in as well - especially if its hard to get them to go in square to the bore because you can tap around the outside while the clamp holds compression.
 

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when removing a lower ball joint on pretty much any honda if it does not break loose with the usual swing of a BFG put your jack under the ball joint with a socket in between the joint and the jack (leaving the castle nut on with just a few threads so you dont **** them up) pump the jack just a few times to take some weight off the stands and almost guarantee it will break free in my experiences

Yeah, have had to do that on ford Taurus quite a few times too.
 

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If you need to remove the zinc coating from a bolt, nut or screw...drop it in some Ospho and it will eat the zinc off and leave a nice clean steel surface you can weld to. I've been doing this for hardware for my furniture to match the unfinished steel I build in.

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Good Idea Jobe...

I use Muriatic acid (Hydrochloric acid) to strip zink before welding. Many have it around for pool or cleaning use. It will strip off zinc coating almost instantly leaving that nice bare steel for welding. I just soak the part in Muriatic acid for a couple of minutes. Watch the fumes...do it outdoors....
 

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easy out i made to get out broken exhuast studs, worked a treat. 1/8 hole then tap in a hex driver bit that is slightly larger than hole, ratchet out with ratchet style screw driver and small spanner for leverage
 

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Tape a "to do" list directly on the windshield of the car so you dont forget anything like "OIL" or "connect fuel line"

I do the same.:beer:

When doing mockups for test fitment, I also tend to either leave the hardware obviously loose with a tape flag (to remind me to reinstall with loctite, locking hardware, etc.) or tighten the fasteners as if it were ready to drive.
 

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Good Idea Jobe...

I use Muriatic acid (Hydrochloric acid) to strip zink before welding. Many have it around for pool or cleaning use. It will strip off zinc coating almost instantly leaving that nice bare steel for welding. I just soak the part in Muriatic acid for a couple of minutes. Watch the fumes...do it outdoors....

Muriatic acid is also used to clean mortar off of bricks. So you might look for it around the brick tools and supplies.
 

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A couple of saw horses and an interior door make for great temporary tables and don't take up alot of storage space.

Using a second boxed end wrench on the open end of the first makes for a great cheater (and knuckle buster). It really warrents a picture if you don't know what I mean. - sorry.

Mix 1 part liquid automatic dish washer soap to 1 part plain liquid soap or shampoo or any mild liquid soap with 1 part water, mix well and add fine sand until it becomes thick, but not so thick it can't be squeezed from a plastic ketchup bottle AND you have some great cheap mechanic's soap. Just shake it up before every use. You'll never buy gunk, fast orange, etc again.

I use a marine life cushion for my kneeling on the concrete.

Old chrome side mirrors make really cool drink holders when screwed to the wall.

A five gallon bucket with 1/4" of used vegitable oil in the bottom will catch alot of mice (especially in warm temps) so long as they have a way to hop in.
 

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One more, for now...

Not really a shop trick, but it does use a shop tool...

A cherry picker can make a great deer skinner. After field dressing, cut the hide around the neck and peel torwards the tail enough to get a golfball sized rock tucked into the hide, tie the rock off with some stout cord (the rock being enveloped by the hide and looking similar to a wrapped lolly-pop). Lower the cherry picker, tie the head to the boom, tie the rock-cord to the cherry picker's legs and hoist away. As your helper lifts the boom, work the hide off as the dear is raised. Once you get it going, most of the hide will come off without any effort.
 

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One more, for now...

Not really a shop trick, but it does use a shop tool...

A cherry picker can make a great deer skinner. After field dressing, cut the hide around the neck and peel torwards the tail enough to get a golfball sized rock tucked into the hide, tie the rock off with some stout cord (the rock being enveloped by the hide and looking similar to a wrapped lolly-pop). Lower the cherry picker, tie the head to the boom, tie the rock-cord to the cherry picker's legs and hoist away. As your helper lifts the boom, work the hide off as the dear is raised. Once you get it going, most of the hide will come off without any effort.

Yeah, we do that with a 4-wheeler.:D
 

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Some tips for masking a part before painting. Tape over the edge and use a fine file to file though the tape. its fast and gives a fine line. for small holes fill with paper towels and file them off as well works great.
 

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One more, for now...

Not really a shop trick, but it does use a shop tool...

A cherry picker can make a great deer skinner. After field dressing, cut the hide around the neck and peel torwards the tail enough to get a golfball sized rock tucked into the hide, tie the rock off with some stout cord (the rock being enveloped by the hide and looking similar to a wrapped lolly-pop). Lower the cherry picker, tie the head to the boom, tie the rock-cord to the cherry picker's legs and hoist away. As your helper lifts the boom, work the hide off as the dear is raised. Once you get it going, most of the hide will come off without any effort.

Yeah, we do that with a 4-wheeler.:D

I used an HF crane and bolted it in the back of my jeep. You can hold the deer up with it to gut (use a 5 gallon bucket and a trash bag but be careful) then lay the deer down and put it on a gambrel. Cut through the tale and use a "brush grabber" with a piece of rope tide to the trailer hitch. Works like a charm until you are over halfway down then you wrap the rope around something sturdy nearby and pull.
 
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