Garage with a loft - drawings & pics?

[The Tool Tyrant]

I will try to keep up with posting here, but not sure if anyone is even following.

Hey diiulio...we're all following you buddy...it's just that you're doing such a great job, no one has any pointers to add!

I did watch the videos and have to ask what was the bet that you lost with your wife?

Looks like you know what you're doing!

BTW...love your FJ!

 

[spudley]

You're doing just fine friend, but I wish you had a helper and a taller ladder.
Why did you decide on I-joists rather than trusses?

 

[diiulio]

I wish I had a helper also. Taller ladder, nah. I'd rather have some nice scaffolding. I have one of those Werner 6' tall scaffolding, but I need to buy another set so I can stack them. Of course, I am 12'-1" tall ceilings, the scaffolding probably would be too high because the posts would catch the joists. 10' scaffolding with no railing would be perfect.

I was told trusses were more expensive than the I-joists so I drew up the plans with the joists. I never did get a quote to compare. The trusses seem better for running utilities through and the fire rating is better. I-joists are **** if fire hits them. I will have 5/8" fire rated gypsum under it because it is living space above which helps in case of fire.

 

[karlhungus]

I'm really enjoying this thread for a bunch of reasons. You are doing the work yourself, including plumbing and concrete. Your work is tidy. You are making quick progress. You are getting all this done with kids. I like when people make an effort to match the existing architecture and size. I also like old school houses with the garage around back.

Someday I hope to pull off something similar. I'll take you up on your offer to PM the plans.

Definitely following along here, I actually would like more details (specifically the water hookup in the house).

 

[Bevis]

Shop is coming along. You always have to come up with a jig of some sorts when working alone.

 

[Pluribus]

Nice write-up! Used to pass through that area while short cutting from the NY Thruway to the VT border. It's a pretty part of the country.

 

[diiulio]

I am glad you guys are enjoying it.

Karlhungus, I came in through my foundation wall at about 4'-6" below grade, drilled a hole with a Hilti hammer drill. I pulled the 1" poly line through and then I had a few valves added to it so I can shut water supply off to the garage/loft and if I wanted to drain the line in the basement of the house. I will also do something similar in the garage when I get to that point.

Here is a picture of the apparatus in the basement.
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[Justind97]

Looks awesome! You're moving along nicely despite the weather, family and a job getting in the way!

 

[diiulio]

See if I can get the design drawings loaded up.
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[diiulio]

Ok, so I haven't been posting lately. I haven't had too much progress. I did have a decent weekend, so here are the past few weeks summed up:

I have the rim board up and around the perimeter. I framed out the stair opening. I was able to cut stringers and build the landing.
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Decked the joists with 3/4" Advantech boards. Please note, for people who plan to use this decking that haven't used it before... the sheets are 4'x8', BUT you lose about a half inch every sheet because the of the tongue and groove. I was all excited when I got to the last row, but realized I was about 2-1/2" short. I remeasured my building and was 24' wide, then looked at the boards and measured them and realized the error of my install. I should have ripped a sheet in half for the first row so I had enough on the last one. See here:
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So, what I did with the recommendation of a very helpful person is used Simpson Z-2 clips and installed a row of 2x4 backing at 23" from the rim board. Cut the 4' sheet and drove it into the groove of the previous row. Then the last row I installed was a 23" sheet that was butted with an 1/8" gap to the previous row, but had the 2x4 backing. See here:

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Now, since that was all behind us we move on to building the shed dormer walls and one of these:

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I now have the two shed dormer walls framed laying down. I am going to sheath them laying down. The walls are 7' - 1 1/2" tall so with 8' of sheathing the sheathing will overlap down over the rim board tying it in nicely structurally. I figure if I can get the framing square before I sheath it I should be good to go. The deck is level so I shouldn't have an issue with it being straight after sheathing. Plus, this will avoid carrying sheets up a ladder or scaffolding, installing and nailing them at height. So, hopefully this week I can get the two shed dormer walls stood and braced. Then next weekend get the rake walls built and stand them up next week. Then, it will be time for the ridge beam and rafters. I need to get this thing closed up and roofed before winter hits. My time is narrowing, so I need to start moving faster.

Here is how I left it last night:
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[The Tool Tyrant]

Looks great Diiluio! I'd be careful how many of those 'liquid refreshments' you consume before using those 'ship stairs'...man those things are steep!

 

[diiulio]

Don't worry, with the number of times I have gone up and down those steps with lumber and sheets of Advantech and OSB, I could do it in my sleep or hammered.

 

[tapered-pin]

looks fantastic.

I'd love to have the time to do something like that..

 

[kasander]

Just checked out your build. It is looking great! Thanks for the comments on mine as well!

 

[karlhungus]

Fantastic work, you are making great progress. You must have some sort of background in the trades?
I think many of us here have a little knowledge of framing, but rake walls, dormers stuff like that is out of our league. I would be interested in any tips/tricks/pictures you would care to share with us as you build.
Keep up the great work!

 

[diiulio]

karlhungus, no I am not in the trades. I wish I had tip and tricks to provide, but I don't. Here is where I am. I was able to get the two walls stood up this week. Between yesterday and today I starting framing the rake walls. I need to leave part out to get through the stairs unfortunately. Hopefully I can get them sheathed tomorrow and stood up by midweek.
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[diiulio]

Walls stood up, sheathed, and braced. Ready for the ridge beam and rafters. I will start that work tomorrow. I was able to get (5) 2x12 x 20' up on the deck before cleaning up for the day. It was rainy this morning and everything is wet and heavier than it should be.

Wish I had someone to help me get the ridge and rafters up, but it will take me a little longer working solo. I did have help raising the walls again. A few friends came over last night to raise the last two walls.

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[M-technik-3]

Appears your neighbor has a nice big garage too. Progress looks great. Need to get the roof on soon as the cold wet and dreary fall is here already.

What do you think will be the cost of the structure minus concrete and labor?

 

[NUTTSGT]

You're not in the trades ? Could have fooled me, you have some skills.

The place looks good and how much of the stairway opening is going to get closed in ?

BTW, if you would like to change the title of the thread, just let me know.

 

[diiulio]

Yea, there is a nice garage next door with a loft too. I am moving as fast as I can to get a roof on. I need to still take the kids to soccer practice and make sure I am not neglecting the family.

Cost for structure will be in the mid-$30k range.

I am a civil engineer by trade. I was a project engineer in heavy civil construction, but absolutely zero residential work.

I plan on closing the stairs up only from the first floor. I plan to leave it open on the 2nd floor.

I do want to change the title of the thread! Not sure what to call it though. I'll get back to you.

I made a template for the 12/12 rafters. Has the ridge cut on one end and the birdsmouth on the other.

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Here is test fitting the first rafter before cutting out for out lookers or 'lookouts' for those like me who didn't know what they were called before being educated.

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I didn't get very far today. Getting 20' 2x12's up to the 2nd floor ***** by yourself. Also getting them up in place is a PIA solo. I happen to have a friend swing by for a minute when I was raising the 2x12 up in place for the ridge beam so that worked out nice. I placed a 2x6 below the 2x12 to get the bearing of the 2x12's cut on a 45.

I was only able to get half of the ridge up and four rafters up before I called it a day. I am not feeling great and this isn't where I want to make a mistake or have an accident so I know when to say when.

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[diiulio]

A little bit of progress this week. I was able to get another 20 or so rafters up. The 12/12 pitch ones are cut from 2x12 20'ers and the 5/12 pitch ones are cut from 16' 2x12's. I first crown the pieces, then the plumb cut, measure out, then birdsmouth. The 5/12 pitch doesn't have much of a birdsmouth, it is approx 5-1/8" bearing on the wall and then only about 3/8" vertical cut. The overhang is 12", then a 2x6 subfacia will be nailed on, and then a fascia board. so it will be probably around 14 1/4" overhang total. The fascia will be a 6" board, so a 5.5" fascia. I place the one end on the top of the wall and then walk up the ladder with the other. I leave the nail gun at the top of the ladder and hold the board in position with my left and and nail with the right. It is not ideal and it quite actually *****, but I need to get it done so I keep going. Won't be able to get any done this weekend because of family obligations.

This is where I am as of tonight. Basically, I have the ridge across the entire garage. It is a 2x12 cut to 5" on the ends to support the subfacia, and a 2x6 below it for the 12/12 pitch rafters. I am just past the half way point with the rafters. I believe there are 62 and I have 34 of them up.

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[diiulio]

Got all the rafters in tonight! and more than half of the collar ties.

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[The Tool Tyrant]

Looks great Diiulio!

 

[-Brent-]

Really nice work! Your pics almost makes me miss framing. Then I thought about what the temps are going to be in the morning.

 

[diiulio]

This has been an interesting project. Tool Tyrant has been invaluable off the scene helping me. I am getting to the point that I am getting nervous about winter coming and need to get a roof on, house wrap and windows. I just ordered windows yesterday and I have the house wrap on site. I need to get sheathing on site and make the overhangs. I am probably going to have someone else sheath it and I have finally found a roofer that does good work. I am also going to build carriage doors for it before winter.

Plan is to get it weather tight and then I can side it next spring. I would like to get temporary power in it because I finished building a flathead that needs to get stuffed into my Model A that has been waiting for this garage. So, maybe that is the winter project.

I have been finding frost on the ground in the morning here. Winter is around the corner, especially when I see pics of snow out in Colorado.

 

[Gerald O]

Nice work Jason! You're making impressive progress, especially considering working solo and on a design with some complexity!

 

[sean Buick 76]

Fantastic work!!! Definitely well engineered project! I like engineers like you who get into building stuff instead of just typing about it.... NICE!

 

[diiulio]

Here we go. All set for house wrap and a roof! I have a roofer scheduled for next week. I am so excited. I need to get some house wrap on the place too. Windows come in next Friday. Plus, I need to start building some doors for the joint. Exciting.

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[-Brent-]

Awesome. Very clean work.

 

[Gerald O]

Love the aerial photography!

 

[karlhungus]

Looks great. I would be curious to see some pictures of the interior framing of the sides dormer.

 

[diiulio]

Well, a fairly unsuccessful day today. I was able to get the last window cut out and put the last jack stud in all the doors and trim all the OSB. I was supposed to get the house wrap on today, but honestly it is a combination of not having the motivation and working up high off a ladder with the house wrap for the 2nd story, which I am hesitant to do. I am not afraid of heights, but I am not feeling it today hanging off a ladder nailing off house wrap on the 2nd story. I figure if I am not feeling it, then I just shouldn't be doing it.

I put down tarps on the 2nd floor inside to collect any of the rain that is starting right now and going to continue through tomorrow.

Karlhungs, I went up just now and took a few pics for you. Not sure if I got what you are looking for. Let me know if you need details, more pics, explanation, etc.

And now for the pics...

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[The Tool Tyrant]

You need a pair of these...no NOT what you're thinking...these.. https://www.homedepot.com/p/Werner-Steel-Pump-Jack-SPJ-100/202054855?cm_mmc=Shopping|THD|G|0|G-B

 

[diiulio]

I could use a set... I have thought about picking up 2 or 3 of those. I have a 16' plank that I was using on the ladders yesterday. I also have a pair of the ladder jacks for planks, but I think the pump jacks are probably the way to go.

 

[Bad Mojo]

Enjoying seeing the progress on this build. Also nice FJ40, it looks like it may be getting a new home.

 

[sqznby]

Wowza, amazing build especially being a one man show.
Great shots to, love the drone footage.
The FJ is nice, looks to be in very good shape. You don't see them very often. You mind posting a few of it?

 

[Platonic Solid]

Impressive diiulio! Thanks for taking the time to post your progress. I did get your cad file for the lighting layout. Will look at it this week.

 

[The Tool Tyrant]

I could use a set... I have thought about picking up 2 or 3 of those. I have a 16' plank that I was using on the ladders yesterday. I also have a pair of the ladder jacks for planks, but I think the pump jacks are probably the way to go.

Also check into renting aluminum scaffold planks. I've seen them up to 32' long. 24 footers are fairly common. Be safe.

 

[karlhungus]

Thanks for taking the time to post those pictures, it was exactly what I wanted to see. Speaking of safety, I might throw a temporary railing up around those stairs.

 

[velillen01]

Nice garage build! And nice FJ40...mines a 8/'76