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Medeek

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I'm currently also working on a modified version of planset GARAGE4828-A6D-3. This new plan has a very similar attic space but the three garage doors are centered and the entry door is on the side of the garage. It also have a few more windows on the main floor. I've created some concepts below with different configurations of the garage doors for everyones review:

GARAGE4828B-A6D-3_ELEVATIONS_CONCEPT2.jpg


9ft doors centered on dormers

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10ft doors, off center from dormers

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10ft doors centered on dormers
 
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IMHO, centered doors look better -- what do they do for entry into bays in interior? Now that we're talking utility, why not go with 10 foot doors? Except for the issue with insulation, bigger is better. You can get a small vehicle in a big door, but not a big vehicle in a small door!?!?

Good luck, looks really nice.
 
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I agree the 10ft doors make more sense and look better to me especially given the overall size of this thing (48' long).

I've generated my first draft at the floor plan:

GARAGE4828B-A6D-3_FLOORPLANS_CONCEPT1.jpg


Larger PDF here:

http://design.medeek.com/plansets/garages/GARAGE4828B-A6D-3/PDF/GARAGE4828B-A6D-3_FLOORPLANS_CONCEPT2.pdf

Since the upstairs attic floor plan will probably in the future become an apartment space. I figured I would make sure it would pass code with the entryway requirements. I'm still not sure I'm sold on the way I have the entryway/landing configured but I don't see a better way of doing it.
 

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What is the intended use of the garage space? Just parking of DD's or a place to work on projects, place to keep your collection of cars? Will you do any entertaining in this space?

Think you are right on the entry. If there is an apartment above, will be great to limit access to the garage space as you have planned. Although, this vestibule looks small to me, but sure it meets code requirements. Would be nice to have a grand entrance into the garage space. Just thinking out loud.

10' doors OC with dormers is the best fit to me. Really like the overall design.

Love Copalis Beach. Would fly my C-172 on to the beach there and take walks and just enjoy the area.

Looking forward to seeing your final design and thanks for the PDF too. Nice touch.

Ody.
 
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I agree the vestibule/entryway is quite a small space, perhaps bigger would be more comfortable. The idea was not to take up to much garage space with this space since it is primarily there to meet fire code so that the upstairs attic egress is not directly through the garage (auto closing door etc...)

The garage doors we will be using are already purchased and are 9ft wide so unfortunately we are stuck there but then it begs the questions if we should not shrink the overall length of the garage some to better fit the doors.

Too many decisions.

What do you mean more exactly when you say a grand entry into the garage, please expound. This garage is still very much a work in progress.
 
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I like the design , looks nice. I'd prefer the 9' doors over the tens for practibility. Using 3 10' over the nine footers loses 3 feet of wall space, something that can be valuable for some people.

For those that might need a wide door to work on something, I'd put one 10 foot door on the single garage area. For the average person driving by and looking at it, they wouldn't notice that one door was a foot wider than the other two. If you want a wide door for "whatever" it might be a wise choice to utilize a 12 foot door instead of 10 door.

Three 9' doors = 27' of wall space
Three 10' doors = 30' of wall space
Two 9' & one 10' = 28' of wall space
Two 9' & one 12' = 30' of wall space
 
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This is the latest version of the 4828B, the porch now is 3 risers high and the vestibule has gotten a bit more spacious.

GARAGE4828B-A6D-3_FLOORPLANS_CONCEPT4.jpg


GARAGE4828B-A6D-3_ELEVATIONS_CONCEPT8.jpg


PDF files are here:

http://design.medeek.com/plansets/g...PDF/GARAGE4828B-A6D-3_ELEVATIONS_CONCEPT8.pdf

http://design.medeek.com/plansets/g...PDF/GARAGE4828B-A6D-3_FLOORPLANS_CONCEPT4.pdf

I don't know if I like the 3 riser landing/porch better but it does allow for the exterior door to be moved away from the corner of the building, bigger porch, bigger vestibule, at least that was the idea.
 

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Looks nice and is very similar in size to what I am building (26x50). One thing you might consider is if you are going with arched garage doors is to carry over that to the dormer windows.
 

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I agree the vestibule/entryway is quite a small space, perhaps bigger would be more comfortable. The idea was not to take up to much garage space with this space since it is primarily there to meet fire code so that the upstairs attic egress is not directly through the garage (auto closing door etc...)

The garage doors we will be using are already purchased and are 9ft wide so unfortunately we are stuck there but then it begs the questions if we should not shrink the overall length of the garage some to better fit the doors.

Too many decisions.

What do you mean more exactly when you say a grand entry into the garage, please expound. This garage is still very much a work in progress.

We like to entertain in our garage spaces. The standalone garage/shop has a larger entry with covered porch and a 8 x 16 foyer so total space with porch is about 16 x 16. Great for meeting guests in good weather but poor when the wind is kicking up (along the Strait of Juan de Fuca). At the back of the shop is a large covered car port area where we can BBQ as needed for the gatherings. In this garage space, seating is set up for at least 32 people. (As an aside, the overall design of this space is for our future "live-in" care takers when we need this type of living assistance.)

The attached garage space is where we can comfortably seat 70+ people and also have ample room for serving tables. These are the reasons why the question was asked about intended use of your garage.

Further, there are no steps in these spaces. We wanted to be sure that access is always easy for us when we are more infirm and to reduce any trip hazards when we are older, and, in consideration of our guests as well. Know we can just roll up a garage door, but wanted all access points to be step free.

We have no understanding of how the proposed garage will be situated on your property and how it will relate to the house. Further, what views will the new garage have since it is assumed the property faces the ocean. Knowing full well, the garage door locations will be opposite from the prevailing winds, just hope that if views are available from the garage, they be taken advantage of. A garage with a great view is always a nice feature to have.

If the chance were available for me to do it over, would have added more space for entertaining while the cars are in their parking spots. (BTW, during the design process, we never considered entertaining in these spaces.)

Know the architecture from what my property holds is significantly different from your design, the above is simply some of my thoughts and the life style we enjoy with our collection of cars along with the area in which we live.

Positive you or your client will end up with a great place along the Pacific Coast.

Ody.
 
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Seems like sometimes you need to read between the lines with the code. Another interesting thing I just realized is that the requirement to sheath the interior wall with Gypsum does not apply to certain bracing methods (ie. PFH, ABW). So my assumption is that the penalty you normally take in calculating the wind and seismic factors with the gypsum omitted goes away with this type of bracing. Updated calculations for all braced walls show below.

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Based on these calculations the only modification required to the plan is to increase the length of the interior braced wall(s) from 48" to 54" in order to get my 9ft of braced wall panel, originally this was 8ft of braced wall panel. 8ft will pass the seismic requirement but not the wind load. Initially I thought the seismic loads would dominate with this analysis since I was shooting for SDC D2 but after applying the adjustment factors for the wind it became clear that the wind was just as much a problem. The reasons for this are: 12/12 pitch of this roof (think large sail), tall wall (10ft), high basic wind speed, large open interior, and high exposure all compound together to make the wind a major factor in the bracing requirements.

Braced Wall Plan below:


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