To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!

Garden Hose seizing prevention

D

danny_barkley

Well-known member
Joined
May 17, 2013
Messages
800
Location
FL
I thought I had this beat but I keep running into it.

I tried using anti seize on the threads but time goes on, you forgot for a year or so and you have a seized mess to deal with.

Current hose is a Flexzilla seized on a hose bib on the side of the hose.

I got 2 choices

1) Hacksaw/Dremel off the female portion of the hose off the bib, thus saving the bib

2) Cut the hose, sweat off the bib and replace

The reason why I included sweating off the hose bib is that I was wondering if there were better bibs out there to combat this issue?

I would be willing to go to the trouble of putting on a new bib if there was one that would be more resistant to seizing.

What do you guys think?
 
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!
Y

ynned

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 27, 2013
Messages
1,151
Location
N.E. Ohio
Sized bad enough plumber's pliers won't work?

plumbing-header-product.png
 
OP
D

danny_barkley

Well-known member
Joined
May 17, 2013
Messages
800
Location
FL
srvctec said:
Hmmmm, to prevent future seizing I'd put plumber's silicone grease liberally on both connections. As far as getting this one off, I'd just cut it off to save the bib.
Click to expand...

This is Flexzilla and I don't think the anodized AL ends helps either.
 
L

LXCam

ALLIANCE MEMBER
Joined
Apr 23, 2013
Messages
19,200
Location
AZ
Heat it up with a heat gun or if you have a very small torch it'll come off.
 
OP
D

danny_barkley

Well-known member
Joined
May 17, 2013
Messages
800
Location
FL
**** in Wisconsin said:
I've never used anti-seize on a hose end or hose bib. If its stubborn to remove, I get out the Channel-Lock or if a hex the adjustable wrench.
Click to expand...

I've started using it on all of mine because I got tired of cutting the sprayers off. This is the first time in a long time I've had issues with the bib.

I put serious pressure on it after soaking with Kroil for a few weeks, no luck
 
C

crerus75

Well-known member
Joined
May 2, 2011
Messages
301
If it's happening that quickly, you could be getting galvanic corrosion between the aluminum hose end and the (presumably) brass hose bib. You can:

-Be religious about your use of anti-seize. This can be tough despite your best intentions because all you have to do is forget once. I have a squeeze bottle of anti-seize mixed with engine oil for applications like this. Mix in just enough oil to let the anti-seize squeeze out without being too runny. A lot handier than a brush in the lid of a bottle for quick applications.

-Make sure the hose end and the bib are the same material. Aluminum is fairly anodic and brass is fairly cathodic. This creates a big potential between the two and a lot of galvanic corrosion. If they're both brass, little to no galvanic corrosion can take place.

-A plastic hose end will stop the corrosion (obviously), but I haven't had good luck with them. They don't corrode, but they don't survive impacts or sunlight that well, either.

Since you have to cut the hose end off anyway, maybe the next step is to get a brass repair-end for the hose and try it that way. If the bib and the hose end are made of brass, any galvanic corrosion issues should go away.
 
OP
D

danny_barkley

Well-known member
Joined
May 17, 2013
Messages
800
Location
FL
crerus75 said:
If it's happening that quickly, you could be getting galvanic corrosion between the aluminum hose end and the (presumably) brass hose bib. You can:

-Be religious about your use of anti-seize. This can be tough despite your best intentions because all you have to do is forget once. I have a squeeze bottle of anti-seize mixed with engine oil for applications like this. Mix in just enough oil to let the anti-seize squeeze out without being too runny. A lot handier than a brush in the lid of a bottle for quick applications.

-Make sure the hose end and the bib are the same material. Aluminum is fairly anodic and brass is fairly cathodic. This creates a big potential between the two and a lot of galvanic corrosion. If they're both brass, little to no galvanic corrosion can take place.

-A plastic hose end will stop the corrosion (obviously), but I haven't had good luck with them. They don't corrode, but they don't survive impacts or sunlight that well, either.

Since you have to cut the hose end off anyway, maybe the next step is to get a brass repair-end for the hose and try it that way. If the bib and the hose end are made of brass, any galvanic corrosion issues should go away.
Click to expand...

The hose ends are Aluminum and I think that's why this has nailed me.

About a year or so ago I switched over to the Flexzilla because I liked their air hoses so much and I hate garden hoses that get stiff. And if you get some that don't get stiff,. they are heavy as hell.

But I think the AL hose end on the brass fawcett nailed me pretty good here.

It is possible I forgot to anti seize it before I hooked it to the house.
 
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!
OP
D

danny_barkley

Well-known member
Joined
May 17, 2013
Messages
800
Location
FL
jeremy v said:
Wow, I've never heard of this issue before. I've also never seen or used a garden hose with aluminum ends, so maybe that's why. Some of my hose end sprayers are die cast, but they are most likely zinc instead of aluminum because I don't remember ever seeing any white powdery corrosion on them before.

...
Click to expand...

I think they added the Anodized green ends to match the Flexzilla colors as a styling exercise. Also to keep the hose weight down, it is a light very flexible hose.

I'm getting some great suggestions in this thread for sure! Many ways to go after this problem. The reason why I even noticed this is because the Hose end-end was defective and failed. So the Flexzilla folks sent me another one and here we go with this problem. Caught me by surprise.

I was using some type of Lubri Moly anti seize. But I'm not certain I used it on the bib connection. I've never had a problem there on any hose so I might not have done that, not sure.

The anti-seize is some type of bronze colored LM-508 anti seize that I have been using for a while since I just have it around and it takes a LONG time to go through anti-seize...

I live around West Palm Beach, so corrosian is a constant here year round, we're talkin' tropical in January/February

Water is really good here, teflon tape is an idea for sure.

I really think the AL fittings may not be such a hot idea on these hoses. My spigot is bare Brass.

No frost free stuff here.

I don't really want to heat it much and not sure it would help here.

I think Dr Dremel will be showing up for a consultation.

This post you made here is jam packed, thanx!

I think I will teflon the next hose here. I have 3 of these hoses connected to the house I need to go over them all and solve this issue. I've never had then bib end give me this much problem before. I'm not sure aluminum is such a hot idea here.
 
OP
D

danny_barkley

Well-known member
Joined
May 17, 2013
Messages
800
Location
FL
jeremy v said:
Also, I forgot to ask if your spigot has a vacuum breaker on it? If you don't know what one is, it's a small piece added to the spigot that dumps the water out of the hose in order to break siphon when the spigot is turned off. This prevents backflow related contamination of the water supply. If you do have one it's less likely to be a galvanic corrosion issue you are experiencing because there won't be water in the line very often in order to cause the issue.
Click to expand...

gahrajmahal said:
Maybe add a quick connect fitting to the hose and spigot? The ones I see are usually made of plastic.
Click to expand...

A simple Garden Hose thread bringing all this wisdom!

Thanx Guys
 
D

DMAR

Well-known member
Joined
May 12, 2012
Messages
266
Seeing that you've soaked it with Kroil, and no luck, I'd try heating it. Has to be corroded on there with the aluminum/brass combo. You haven't crushed it out of round trying to get it off, have you...?

I put teflon tape on my hose connections, and only use good made in USA hoses that have quality brass fittings. No problems, yet. Getting harder and harder to find quality fittings and sprayers; the made in China **** *****.

A few years ago, Gilmore switched from nice made in USA hose fittings to some fake brass colored ****/AL made in China. These big box stores drive this by demanding better price points/margins from the manufacturers. Used to be you had a pay a little more to get the good stuff, now there's just no more good stuff to buy!! :mad:
 
B

balrog

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 31, 2009
Messages
162
It couldn't hurt to pick up the phone and give Flexzilla a call. They might be able to give you a suggestion how to prevent this from happening again. There could be an off chance there was a bad batch of fittings or something. They might be able to help you out with replacement fittings.
 
OP
D

danny_barkley

Well-known member
Joined
May 17, 2013
Messages
800
Location
FL
DMAR said:
Seeing that you've soaked it with Kroil, and no luck, I'd try heating it. Has to be corroded on there with the aluminum/brass combo. You haven't crushed it out of round trying to get it off, have you...?

I put teflon tape on my hose connections, and only use good made in USA hoses that have quality brass fittings. No problems, yet. Getting harder and harder to find quality fittings and sprayers; the made in China **** *****.

A few years ago, Gilmore switched from nice made in USA hose fittings to some fake brass colored ****/AL made in China. These big box stores drive this by demanding better price points/margins from the manufacturers. Used to be you had a pay a little more to get the good stuff, now there's just no more good stuff to buy!! :mad:
Click to expand...

Nope, no crushing, I've only used a wrench on it.
 
OP
D

danny_barkley

Well-known member
Joined
May 17, 2013
Messages
800
Location
FL
Lollapalooza

balrog said:
It couldn't hurt to pick up the phone and give Flexzilla a call. They might be able to give you a suggestion how to prevent this from happening again. There could be an off chance there was a bad batch of fittings or something. They might be able to help you out with replacement fittings.
Click to expand...

That's interesting hadn't thought of that.
 
OP
D

danny_barkley

Well-known member
Joined
May 17, 2013
Messages
800
Location
FL
Just as an aside.

There is something strange going on with the forum.

Everytime one of you guys makes a different title to your post, it retitles the entire thread.

Thought I was going crazy for the last few hours!

If I change my subject on my Post like I did above yours with Lollapalooza, it doesn't do it.

But it seems like everybody else who changes the subject it does. That was driving me crazy for the past few hours...

I thought my brain was shorting out.
 
D

DHCrocks

Well-known member
Joined
May 2, 2008
Messages
1,349
Location
Hawaii
oh ****...I've got two flexzilla garden hoses. been on for a year or two. I better see if I can remove them. thanks for the heads up.
 
M

Milton Shaw

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 11, 2011
Messages
4,845
Ace Hardware carries a solid brass quickcoupler set that has all the parts to eliminate the problems you are having. The set has two types of couplers in it one for the faucet with just one piece that fits in it and the other set for the hose end has several pieces to fit tow or more attachments to the end of the hose. Part number 719820 available only in stores the last time I looked. It also has a shut off on the hose end so you can change without having to go back to the house to turn the water off. The "O" ring seals in the couplers will some times come out but ace has the replacements for them also.
 
B

Brian_WK

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 30, 2015
Messages
1,177
Location
NE South Dakota
I'm going with galvanic corrosion as well. Stainless hose bib on the house or a plastic quick connect like mentioned above to be used as a di-electric de-coupler.

I was having the same issues with sprinklers/sprayers seizing onto the brass hose ends all the devices were aluminum. Went to plastic quick connects both unscrew with minimal effort.

Brian
 
OP
D

danny_barkley

Well-known member
Joined
May 17, 2013
Messages
800
Location
FL
Milton Shaw said:
Ace Hardware carries a solid brass quickcoupler set that has all the parts to eliminate the problems you are having. The set has two types of couplers in it one for the faucet with just one piece that fits in it and the other set for the hose end has several pieces to fit tow or more attachments to the end of the hose. Part number 719820 available only in stores the last time I looked. It also has a shut off on the hose end so you can change without having to go back to the house to turn the water off. The "O" ring seals in the couplers will some times come out but ace has the replacements for them also.
Click to expand...

Brian_WK said:
I'm going with galvanic corrosion as well. Stainless hose bib on the house or a plastic quick connect like mentioned above to be used as a di-electric de-coupler.

I was having the same issues with sprinklers/sprayers seizing onto the brass hose ends all the devices were aluminum. Went to plastic quick connects both unscrew with minimal effort.

Brian
Click to expand...

Thanx for both of those comments.
 
OP
D

danny_barkley

Well-known member
Joined
May 17, 2013
Messages
800
Location
FL
thebeekeeper1 said:
Buy better hoses with brass fittings.
Click to expand...

I live in South Florida.

We have an abundance of UltraViolet light here. Year round

This plays absolute hell on hoses.

Buying the obnoxiously loud colored Flexzilla hoses was an attempt to deal with that. They are lightweight and flexible.

The Flexzilla have dealt with the UV very well but presented some issues elsewhere.
 
T

thebeekeeper1

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 5, 2012
Messages
1,011
Location
Illinois
danny_barkley said:
I live in South Florida.

We have an abundance of UltraViolet light here. Year round

This plays absolute hell on hoses.

Buying the obnoxiously loud colored Flexzilla hoses was an attempt to deal with that. They are lightweight and flexible.

The Flexzilla have dealt with the UV very well but presented some issues elsewhere.
Click to expand...

You can't store them indoors? :dunno:
 
D

DMAR

Well-known member
Joined
May 12, 2012
Messages
266
danny_barkley said:
Not an option at my house!
Click to expand...

I use enclosed hose reels for my hoses. They are convenient, keeps things in order, and keeps the hoses from getting eaten by the sun. They also look nicer than just seeing the hose laying there piled up.

Lowes and Home Depot sell them. You may want to check into it.
 
J

jn50308401

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 7, 2015
Messages
315
Super lube. I dab the stuff up in all the fittings, and have no problems, if I want to change hose attachments they come right off. The lube stays put for a long time. It's my go to and the aerosol product is good as well. Good luck, garden hose dang near drive me to drinking no matter if they're cheap or expensive..

Sent from my KFSOWI using Tapatalk
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!
Top Bottom