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Figured I'd post here, I think this came out well. I made it pretty strong, as I knew someone would sit on it one day. Also 7 full 5 gallon gas cans get heavy!

Cost nothing but the screws. The plywood and 2x4's were all free, left over from some attic work I had done. Pretty happy with it considering I am no expert, and I just winged it with no plan

Made a base for them because I don't like dragging the steel against the concrete. I drilled a 5/16 hole in the concrete and used an anchor with some random brackets I found laying around, this just so it doesn't move at all. I also screwed it into the sill plate

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Figured I'd post here, I think this came out well. I made it pretty strong, as I knew someone would sit on it one day. Also 7 full 5 gallon gas cans get heavy!

Cost nothing but the screws. The plywood and 2x4's were all free, left over from some attic work I had done. Pretty happy with it considering I am no expert, and I just winged it with no plan

Made a base for them because I don't like dragging the steel against the concrete. I drilled a 5/16 hole in the concrete and used an anchor with some random brackets I found laying around, this just so it doesn't move at all. I also screwed it into the sill plate

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Why does one need need 50 gallons of gas in their garage? :headscrat
 
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I live in Houston where we get hurricanes which come with gas shortages, and as everyone knows, at a blink of an eye the power can go out. I'll have an NG Generator soon, but this would go in the gas generator
 

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Exactly! I scored 2 free 5 gallon gas cans 2 weeks ago - that gives me 50 gallons of storage capacity. I have 30 gallons on hand right now.

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Generally the longest I will let any of it sit is 1 year, it's always fine even after that. I just fill up my truck from it every now and then (36 gallon tank) and then refill, with that and general lawnmower use its pretty easy to rotate it out

Good to keep it on hand for emergencies for generators and just getting around when there is some kind of gas shortage
 

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Exactly! I scored 2 free 5 gallon gas cans 2 weeks ago - that gives me 50 gallons of storage capacity. I have 30 gallons on hand right now.

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Looks great using the shelf over the other cans. Remember to use Stabil at every fill up. I have to use Stabil with ethanol additive bcuse NJ has only E10 or E15 and its humid all the time.
Just an Fyi if your garage is attached to your house the permissible amount of gas is 10 gallons according to Nj homeowners insurance. We pay the most and have these restrictions
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We have E10/15 here in Texas, Humid all the time and I've never used Stabil. What kind of horrible gas do you guys get?
 

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Stablalizer is just a light oil. They are snake oil if you ask me. If you aren't going to use some engine for a few months, then run it out of gas. I clean so many carbs because people leave the gas in them for months when they are stored, and then need cleaning.

 
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I like that you are rotating your gasoline storage, I assume you are using the first in; first out model.
Do you tag your cans with the date they are filled?
 
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I have yet to figure out a system, I'm thinking of getting some magnetic tags

Right now I just wing it, if I think some are getting old, they go in a vehicle
 

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I keep 30 gal. of regular, 5 gal. of diesel, and 5 gal. of 50:1 mix, and 1 to 5 gal. of 110 octane to mix with the 93/94 for the Chevy. It adds up quickly.
 

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Good to see someone using quality fuel cans instead of the junk cans so many use. I use the same NATO cans (Valpro/Wavian in OD green for me) and love them.

I keep plenty of gas around the house in fuel cans (currently have 7 NATO cans for gasoline and 4 NATO cans for diesel). Gas in well sealed, quality cans doesn't go bad. I've stored gas for 4-5 years at a time with no deterioration. Smelled and burned as good as the day I filled it. I now have a pretty good rotation program so my gas usually is rotated every year or so. But, I wouldn't hesitate to let it sit longer.

As far as why one would store gasoline, if the shortages during major storms (winter storms, tornados, and hurricanes) along with pipeline hiccups (as seen recently) aren't enough to convince you of the value of storing some extra fuel, then nothing will convince you.
 

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I have a similar rack, but outdoors. I keep 40 gallons of gas and two spare propane bottles. It is easy enough to rotate the gas annually. We have had runs on gas here before.

I also keep a five gallon NATO can of each gas and water in my truck. Both have been needed more than once, and typically not by me. It isn’t unheard of out here to be stuck on the interstate between Phoenix and Flagstaff for hours due to a bad accident.
 

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As far as why one would store gasoline, if the shortages during major storms (winter storms, tornados, and hurricanes) along with pipeline hiccups (as seen recently) aren't enough to convince you of the value of storing some extra fuel, then nothing will convince you.
Amen. Not a prepper, but it sure makes sense to have a plan when **** goes wrong.
 

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Well for most people that 50 gal will go stale before you use it up. But I still have to ask why anyone would store all that gas in their garage unless you have a race car or something. :headscrat
Ethanol free gas in a sealed metal container can last for a couple years.
 

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Well for most people that 50 gal will go stale before you use it up. But I still have to ask why anyone would store all that gas in their garage unless you have a race car or something. :headscrat

50 gallons buys me 2 weeks of generator run time after a bad hurricane or will fill up both of my vehicles. Just last month, I had neighbors who waited in line for 2 hours to fill their vehicles. Boy Scout Motto - Be Prepared.
 

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Better question: Why wouldn't you have 50 gallons of gas in your garage?
The fire risk is why. Gas cans emit fumes, and I wouldn't store 50 gallons inside. I do see plenty of reason to store 50 gallons of gas, but just not inside. I keep mine outside, protected under a shade cover.

But better question is who can afford a wooden gas can rack nowadays. That's too rich for my blood.
 
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I burn 10 gallons of gas a month just mowing my lawn. It'd be easy to keep 50 gallons rotated.

With that said, I only keep 10 gallons on hand at any given time.

I do like those gas cans. I might need to upgrade mine.
 

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I have 40 gallons of gas when all my cans are full, but that is about a 4-6 week supply. It is a pain to load the cans, fill them, and unload them, so "more is better", at least, during mowing season.

I like the rack, and nice looking set of cans! ( Hope that is politically correct! ) Mine are all different sizes, shapes and colors.



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Ethanol free gas in a sealed metal container can last for a couple years.

Ethanol containing gas will keep for as long as ethanol free gas. The secret to keeping gas good is good cans to store it in. If air can get to it, the gas is going bad because the gas can also evaporate and the part of gas that is evaporating is the important stuff. Simple as that.
 

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The fire risk is why. Gas cans emit fumes, and I wouldn't store 50 gallons inside. I do see plenty of reason to store 50 gallons of gas, but just not inside. I keep mine outside, protected under a shade cover.

But better question is who can afford a wooden gas can rack nowadays. That's too rich for my blood.

GOOD gas cans do NOT emit fumes. Cheap gas cans, like most people buy, will not emit any fumes. The NATO cans, like the OP is using, will not emit any fumes. They seal up very tight.

The current US military fuel can is the MFC can and it’s also a great can. The only problem is, they aren’t available for purchase in the US any more so you have to buy used and the used prices for them are crazy.
 

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I plan to buy a large job site type toolbox soon to store my fuel cans. It’s lockable and it’ll enable me to get the fuel out of the shop where it’s currently taking up space. The largest size I can fine is a Husky and should fit all my cans with room to spare.
 

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I burn 10 gallons of gas a month just mowing my lawn. It'd be easy to keep 50 gallons rotated.

With that said, I only keep 10 gallons on hand at any given time.

I do like those gas cans. I might need to upgrade mine.

A good place to buy them is Atlantic British. The metal pour spout from Valpro is the best spout. You will also see metal spouts with a plastic tip on them. Those aren’t nearly as good as the all metal spout. I’ve seen the red cans on eBay for a good price. Just make SURE they are actual Valpro/Wavian cans. Do NOT buy Chinese made cans. They are garbage. There is another European can made in Poland by GELG. It’s a good can but I prefer the Valpro/Wavian can. Valpro/Wavian cans are the same and made in the same factory.

Last I checked, a lot of can suppliers were out of stock so if you want to get cans you might have to wait. Also, it’s not a bad idea to buy some cans when you can find them since with the EPA adopting CARB rules for gas cans, there are more and more restrictions on the cans. Atlantic British gets around it currently by putting a “nonpotable water” sticker on the cans when you get them (peels off easily) so they are selling the cans as “water cans” but they are really for fuel. There is a CARB compliant spout for NATO cans but I haven’t used it. I prefer the regular Valpro/Wavian corrugated spout.

https://www.roverparts.com/off-road-accessories/jerry-cans/GJC007/
 
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The fire risk is why. Gas cans emit fumes, and I wouldn't store 50 gallons inside. I do see plenty of reason to store 50 gallons of gas, but just not inside. I keep mine outside, protected under a shade cover.

But better question is who can afford a wooden gas can rack nowadays. That's too rich for my blood.
Fire risk. So you don't park your cars or other vehicles in your garage? You know, those things that roll around and all carry those whatchamacallits holding that evil, dangerous gasoline?
 

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GOOD gas cans do NOT emit fumes. Cheap gas cans, like most people buy, will not emit any fumes. The NATO cans, like the OP is using, will not emit any fumes. They seal up very tight.

The current US military fuel can is the MFC can and it’s also a great can. The only problem is, they aren’t available for purchase in the US any more so you have to buy used and the used prices for them are crazy.
I 'member when you could buy all the used MFCs you wanted from Major's Surplus - for about $10 each. :(

I did a group buy for my 4x4 club back in 2005. About 30 brand new cans for ~$25-$30 each IRC, plus a bunch of spare parts and nozzles. The good old days.
 
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The fire risk is why. Gas cans emit fumes, and I wouldn't store 50 gallons inside. I do see plenty of reason to store 50 gallons of gas, but just not inside. I keep mine outside, protected under a shade cover.

But better question is who can afford a wooden gas can rack nowadays. That's too rich for my blood.

These cans do not emit any fumes as already stated, they can be completely engulfed in fire and remain intact.


Thankfully the rack was free! All the wood was going to be trashed, but I kept it. I have an entire stack of "old" 2x4's, 90% of them are perfectly usable
 
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A good place to buy them is Atlantic British. The metal pour spout from Valpro is the best spout. You will also see metal spouts with a plastic tip on them. Those aren’t nearly as good as the all metal spout. I’ve seen the red cans on eBay for a good price. Just make SURE they are actual Valpro/Wavian cans. Do NOT buy Chinese made cans. They are garbage. There is another European can made in Poland by GELG. It’s a good can but I prefer the Valpro/Wavian can. Valpro/Wavian cans are the same and made in the same factory.

Last I checked, a lot of can suppliers were out of stock so if you want to get cans you might have to wait. Also, it’s not a bad idea to buy some cans when you can find them since with the EPA adopting CARB rules for gas cans, there are more and more restrictions on the cans. Atlantic British gets around it currently by putting a “nonpotable water” sticker on the cans when you get them (peels off easily) so they are selling the cans as “water cans” but they are really for fuel. There is a CARB compliant spout for NATO cans but I haven’t used it. I prefer the regular Valpro/Wavian corrugated spout.

https://www.roverparts.com/off-road-accessories/jerry-cans/GJC007/

Those spouts look great!!! I'll have to pick a few up, thanks for linking it
 

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Ethanol containing gas will keep for as long as ethanol free gas. The secret to keeping gas good is good cans to store it in. If air can get to it, the gas is going bad because the gas can also evaporate and the part of gas that is evaporating is the important stuff. Simple as that.
There's a lot of truth to this. Fuel is ruined by letting oxygen and water in (water is especially a problem with ethanol), and by letting volatile vapors out, and good cans are the best way to stop these problems before they happen. Stabilizer is a decent insurance policy for when they do occur, but its no substitute for proper storage.

GOOD gas cans do NOT emit fumes...
Ok, BS here. I have a flammable liquid cabinet (actually two), and store things in it that are all in well sealed containers (mostly aerosols). You can ALWAYS smell it when I open the doors, and I don't have anything in there that "leaks". Vapors WILL find their way out. Put your "GOOD" full gas can into a well sealed container for a few days and tell me there's no odor when you break the seal. When I worked in a chemical lab, we had special explosion proof freezers to store the volatile stuff. Even they, as cold as they were, reeked when you opened them.

Also, it's not all about the quality of the cans (though that helps). It's also about the fuel.

Winter blend gasoline contains a significant amount of butane. Butane is a "waste gas" that refiners can dump into your tank that not only reduces your mileage (it has a lower energy content), but also increases the fuel vapor pressure to as high as 15 PSI (which does at least make for smoother running of cold engines). That WILL escape your gas cans in the summer in significant volumes! Seals on steel fuel containers are designed to vent above 2.5PSI (or else you can have a catastrophic failure). Seals on CARB compliant plastic fuel containers may hold up to 10 PSI, as the cans are designed to distort in shape, but even they may vent in the summer heat. And then, you've got all sorts of idiots advocating for modifying gas cans with vents to make them pour faster.

My advice to anyone storing gasoline would be to buy it between June 1st and September 15th. And store it in metal cans. Plastic is semi-permeable, and some of the more volatile components of gasoline can escape directly through plastic (there are higher quality plastic cans on the market that are les vapor permeable, but their price rivals that of steel cans). Keep your cans out of direct sunlight, and make sure they're well sealed.

Fire risk. So you don't park your cars or other vehicles in your garage? You know, those things that roll around and all carry those whatchamacallits holding that evil, dangerous gasoline?
I don't actually park cars in my "two door - zero car" garage, but cars aren't a fire risk. Modern cars have a low fire risk because they have flame screens, pressurized tanks, and carbon vapor collection canisters that catch any vented vapors. Gas cans have none of this.

I do store my mower in my garage, but keep in mind that the amount of vapors released will be determined by the amount of fuel you're storing, and a three gallons between my mower and other small engines does not compare to 50 gallons of storage. Plus, as stated above, I only store low-RVP RFG. I also only store 93 octane gas, as the higher octane blends tend to have lower vapor pressures.
These cans do not emit any fumes as already stated, they can be completely engulfed in fire and remain intact.


Thankfully the rack was free! All the wood was going to be trashed, but I kept it. I have an entire stack of "old" 2x4's, 90% of them are perfectly usable
You can throw a plastic gas can full of fresh gas into a fire and it will remain intact too. That's just because the ullage is above the UEL. If they really didn't emit any fumes, would your wife be ok with storing one under her pillow? Yeah, I didn't think so.

Will you be safe storing that much fuel indoors? Probably. Here are some questions to consider.

Is this garage attached to your house?
Vapors will easily flow through cracks in the walls, so if there's a shared wall with your house, or worst case that leads to a basement...

Is there a low spot where vapors can collect inside, or if you dumped a bucket of water on the floor, would it just flow out the door (this is why we don't have floor drains in garages)?

Do you have anything like a gas water heater or other ignition sources near your floor?

How "leaky" is your structure? My garage is from 1929, and isn't anything like the airtight stuff built today.
 
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I 'member when you could buy all the used MFCs you wanted from Major's Surplus - for about $10 each. :(

I did a group buy for my 4x4 club back in 2005. About 30 brand new cans for ~$25-$30 each IRC, plus a bunch of spare parts and nozzles. The good old days.

All my MFC cans came from Majors. They had great prices back the day. 2005 sounds about right for the timeframe when I bought my MFCs from Majors....maybe a couple years earlier. It’s been too long ago. I like MFC cans but now prefer the metal NATO cans
 
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You may be able to guess how "leaky" this garage is from the first picture :p Its as leaky as it comes

Its detached, so I'm not too concerned about sealing it up. Maybe one day. I had to rip out a bunch of studs and horrible cardboard sheathing when I moved in because the termites had a field day, that was fun...

I'll have to test one of these in a sealed tub one day, I can tell you for sure these don't vent. Leave one out in the sun one day and watch it bulge, and be VERY careful opening it or you will get gas everything. Never once have I smelled gas
 

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There's a lot of truth to this. Fuel is ruined by letting oxygen and water in (water is especially a problem with ethanol), and by letting volatile vapors out, and good cans are the best way to stop these problems before they happen. Stabilizer is a decent insurance policy for when they do occur, but its no substitute for proper storage.


Ok, BS here. I have a flammable liquid cabinet (actually two), and store things in it that are all in well sealed containers (mostly aerosols). You can ALWAYS smell it when I open the doors, and I don't have anything in there that "leaks". Vapors WILL find their way out. Put your "GOOD" full gas can into a well sealed container for a few days and tell me there's no odor when you break the seal. When I worked in a chemical lab, we had special explosion proof freezers to store the volatile stuff. Even they, as cold as they were, reeked when you opened them.

Also, it's not all about the quality of the cans (though that helps). It's also about the fuel.

Winter blend gasoline contains a significant amount of butane. Butane is a "waste gas" that refiners can dump into your tank that not only reduces your mileage (it has a lower energy content), but also increases the fuel vapor pressure to as high as 15 PSI (which does at least make for smoother running of cold engines). That WILL escape your gas cans in the summer in significant volumes! Seals on steel fuel containers are designed to vent above 2.5PSI (or else you can have a catastrophic failure). Seals on CARB compliant plastic fuel containers may hold up to 10 PSI, as the cans are designed to distort in shape, but even they may vent in the summer heat. And then, you've got all sorts of idiots advocating for modifying gas cans with vents to make them pour faster.

My advice to anyone storing gasoline would be to buy it between June 1st and September 15th. And store it in metal cans. Plastic is semi-permeable, and some of the more volatile components of gasoline can escape directly through plastic (there are higher quality plastic cans on the market that are les vapor permeable, but their price rivals that of steel cans). Keep your cans out of direct sunlight, and make sure they're well sealed.


I don't actually park cars in my "two door - zero car" garage, but cars aren't a fire risk. Modern cars have a low fire risk because they have flame screens, pressurized tanks, and carbon vapor collection canisters that catch any vented vapors. Gas cans have none of this.

I do store my mower in my garage, but keep in mind that the amount of vapors released will be determined by the amount of fuel you're storing, and a three gallons between my mower and other small engines does not compare to 50 gallons of storage. Plus, as stated above, I only store low-RVP RFG. I also only store 93 octane gas, as the higher octane blends tend to have lower vapor pressures.

You can throw a plastic gas can full of fresh gas into a fire and it will remain intact too. That's just because the ullage is above the UEL. If they really didn't emit any fumes, would your wife be ok with storing one under her pillow? Yeah, I didn't think so.

Will you be safe storing that much fuel indoors? Probably. Here are some questions to consider.

Is this garage attached to your house?
Vapors will easily flow through cracks in the walls, so if there's a shared wall with your house, or worst case that leads to a basement...

Is there a low spot where vapors can collect inside, or if you dumped a bucket of water on the floor, would it just flow out the door (this is why we don't have floor drains in garages)?

Do you have anything like a gas water heater or other ignition sources near your floor?

How "leaky" is your structure? My garage is from 1920, and isn't anything like the airtight stuff built today.

How much experience do you have with NATO cans? They do NOT leak fumes or vapors. AT. ALL. Welded seams and tight rubber gasketed cap. NO LEAKS PERIOD. You can store them in any position and they do not leak. Cheap plastic cans....yes they leak. You can take one of these cans, fill it with gasoline, and place it in your trunk in the summer. You’ll never smell any gas vapors unless you spill gas down the outside of the can when using it or filling it. They really are THAT good.
 
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Since you have all red gas cans, you might check eBay for red Valpro/Wavian spouts. Atlantic British doesn’t sell the red spouts from what I have seen but does sell the green ones.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/233666927252

British Atlantic had $12 shipping which seemed a little crazy, I ended up grabbing this - https://www.ebay.com/itm/183439267661

I'm not too fussed about the color, I'm interested how well this works. Those ones with the plastic tip are a pain for my lawnmower if the can is all the way full
 

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You may be able to guess how "leaky" this garage is from the first picture :p Its as leaky as it comes

Its detached, so I'm not too concerned about sealing it up. Maybe one day. I had to rip out a bunch of studs and horrible cardboard sheathing when I moved in because the termites had a field day, that was fun...

I'll have to test one of these in a sealed tub one day, I can tell you for sure these don't vent. Leave one out in the sun one day and watch it bulge, and be VERY careful opening it or you will get gas everything. Never once have I smelled gas
Sounds good enough to me. Look, I'm sure YOU'll be fine. My bigger concern is someone taking this design and doing something stupid, like replicating it in their crawl space.

How much experience do you have with NATO cans? They do NOT leak fumes or vapors. AT. ALL. Welded seams and tight rubber gasketed cap. NO LEAKS PERIOD. You can store them in any position and they do not leak. Cheap plastic cans....yes they leak. You can take one of these cans, fill it with gasoline, and place it in your trunk in the summer. You’ll never smell any gas vapors unless you spill gas down the outside of the can when using it or filling it. They really are THAT good.
Your trunk isn't that well sealed. Vapors will escape directly through a rubber gasket, and that's assuming the gasket is intact. I've had issues with the rubber gasket in my generator's gas cap cracking due to ethanol vapors, so after getting tired of replacing the Stant cap every year, I ended up buying a sheet of viton, and replacing the gasket.
 

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I modified one of my spouts to slow the fuel flow rate for small tanks. I got one of these one way vents linked below and then drilled out the vent hole in the spout slightly to make it a tight fit. I then cleaned everything with mineral spirits and alcohol to ensure no oils were on it. I then put a spot a JB Weld on the vent and tapped it into the slightly enlarged hole. It still flows fine but a bit slower so it’s easier to control when filling a small tank. If you try to empty a whole can into a large tank, you will get a little vacuum buildup so in those cases, I use an unmodified spout. I also have some 10 liter and 5 liter cans I use for refueling really small things (like chainsaws and weed eaters)

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07ZSX3DBV/?tag=atomicindus08-20
 

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Sounds good enough to me. Look, I'm sure YOU'll be fine. My bigger concern is someone taking this design and doing something stupid, like replicating it in their crawl space.


Your trunk isn't that well sealed. Vapors will escape directly through a rubber gasket, and that's assuming the gasket is intact. I've had issues with the rubber gasket in my generator's gas cap cracking due to ethanol vapors, so after getting tired of replacing the Stant cap every year, I ended up buying a sheet of viton, and replacing the gasket.

So you have no experience with NATO cans. Got it. Get some experience and report back. You are comparing things to NATO cans that can’t compare. They do not leak. Period.
 
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