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bluedog225

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I’m going to run propane to my cabin. Black iron pipe throughout. There will be a water heater, cooking stove, and a free-standing heating stove or wall mount furnace. I’ll probably stub in an old fashioned bathroom heater. I’m dried in bus bare studs on the interior.

Somebody posted a link to a nice manual on installing gas lines in a house in the last couple of months. I’ve looked at all the gas line threads but can’t find it.

It covered stuff like sizing, drip leg locations, installation best practices etc.

Does anyone remember or know of such a resource. Sort of like a 1950s how to manual.

Thanks
 
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I've found bits and pieces of info, but not a single comprehensive guide. For example, my gas fireplace manual had a good description of pipe size, BTUs needed, drip loop setup, etc.

Once you figure out your design, you might also check on renting one of the compression tools for iron pipe. You can make a direct connection between two pipes, without threading them onsite or buying threaded pipe.
This is one example. https://www.viega.us/en/homepage/systems/megapress-system.html
 
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bluedog225 said:
I’m going to run propane to my cabin. Black iron pipe throughout. There will be a water heater, cooking stove, and a free-standing heating stove or wall mount furnace. I’ll probably stub in an old fashioned bathroom heater. I’m dried in bus bare studs on the interior.

Somebody posted a link to a nice manual on installing gas lines in a house in the last couple of months. I’ve looked at all the gas line threads but can’t find it.

It covered stuff like sizing, drip leg locations, installation best practices etc.

Does anyone remember or know of such a resource. Sort of like a 1950s how to manual.

Thanks
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https://www.regoproducts.com/PDFs/L-545_Servicemans_Manual.pdf


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its illegal for anybody to install gas line but license plumbers certifide in gas installment, they will drop the jail on you for this
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This is dependent on where you live and the local AHJ. Many places in this nation you can still do your own plumbing.

There is still code to follow however. The code which has been adopted is from NFPA 54 and 58. Every state has adopted some form of the two as code. Neither 54 or 58 specify who has to do the work.
 
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Find someone who can spec, sell and install Gastite CSST flash shield plus.
Installs like Pex and the fittings can be reused.
 
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I used constab fittings & risers from this company and installed it myself. the only thing the gas guy asked was how deep it was, and he also did his own pressure test on it . https://hdpesupply.com/con-stab-gas-fittings/ I ran the tracer wire as well for locates
I got locally the pipe, more than I needed on a classified site . I ordered 2 extra risers and sold the balance of the pipe & 2 risers for more than I paid for the pipe & risers. It was a win win for me
 
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The Cobbler said:
I used constab fittings & risers from this company and installed it myself. the only thing the gas guy asked was how deep it was, and he also did his own pressure test on it . https://hdpesupply.com/con-stab-gas-fittings/ I ran the tracer wire as well for locates
I got locally the pipe, more than I needed on a classified site . I ordered 2 extra risers and sold the balance of the pipe & 2 risers for more than I paid for the pipe & risers. It was a win win for me
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Congratulations, Double Wins are tough to beat.
 
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I’m sitting here in my 1950s house and the black pipe is as good as the day it was installed.

I’m surprised it isn’t the 99% go to. It’s done and bullet proof.

maybe I need to look into the new stuff. I did come around on shark bite.
 
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My only suggestion is be sure to spend extra for USA pipe. My brother found out 20 yrs ago that it threads a lot better than the chinese stuff. From threads I see here, that is apparently still true.
 
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bluedog225 said:
I’m sitting here in my 1950s house and the black pipe is as good as the day it was installed.

I’m surprised it isn’t the 99% go to. It’s done and bullet proof.

maybe I need to look into the new stuff. I did come around on shark bite.
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Black pipe is a lot of work.

My house has a short black iron trunk in the crawl and all of the distribution to the furnaces and water heater is the yellow wrapped flex.

Mega press is pretty great, but the tools are wildly expensive
 
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I personally would never use anything but black pipe.

While the csst with a ground shield (black cover) certainly is a step up in lightning protection (but not eliminated) from the yellow csst it still susceptible to damage, in particular screws.

I have responded to 4 gas leaks so far where a screw, one from original construction years previous, has penetrated the csst and caused a leak. One had 4 screws in it over a 4’ section.

I have yet to see compromised black pipe from mechanical damage.

Black pipe won’t hole from lightning strikes either.
 
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I just re-piped my entire house last fall with 1 1/4” black pipe. I added a huge furnace in the garage, went from electric range to gas range and added two gas fireplaces. Took me 3 days of threading by myself. Pressure tested and had a new, larger meter installed. All good. Be sure to power thread. You’ll hate yourself if you have to hand thread it.
 
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Personally I like GasFlex for adding lines to an existing house - it's very easy to work with, rated for indoor, outdoor and underground use, non-conductive and inexpensive to boot. It's available both on amazon and eBay from a US distributor, and they were very helpful combining shipping when I asked. I've used it in 2 houses when adding a garage furnace, with zero issues and no concerns about corrosion.
 
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bluedog225 said:
I’m sitting here in my 1950s house and the black pipe is as good as the day it was installed.

I’m surprised it isn’t the 99% go to. It’s done and bullet proof.

maybe I need to look into the new stuff. I did come around on shark bite.
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Here is a link on how to do it. I would estimate an FAU at 100k, stove at 20k, wall heater at maybe 35k. I would avoid a bathroom heater like the plague.
 
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I worked in transmission operations of a large LDC . Black iron pipe is the trunk line answer , unless you have 2lb psi service pressure , if so the yellow covered flex can be used . Pressure test and soap test as per PUCO requirements and enjoy your work .
 
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mike93lx said:
Still lost. My question was regarding your suggestion to install a LP tank. Plumbing for propane would assume that to be the case, at least for me. I am not aware of any other way to run propane at a house/cabin than to put a tank in
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if you run gas from one building to another you have to dig a trench.
vs put a tank at the second building.
 
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if you run gas from one building to another you have to dig a trench.
vs put a tank at the second building.
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Ah, got it. I wasn't thinking about there being a second building and that this was about anything between buildings. I was looking at this as plumbing inside the cabin
 
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Ah, got it. I wasn't thinking about there being a second building and that this was about anything between buildings. I was looking at this as plumbing inside the cabin
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the first line in the first post implied between buildings.
"I’m going to run propane to my cabin."

I ran power and a compressor air line from the house to the garage, it was a pain digging.
 
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I wouldn't do a gas water heater, thats burning gas around the clock, rather gas hot water on demand or elec heat pump .
We have elec heat pump water heater, when it goes south I think we will go to gas on demand for the water.
 
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jonesg said:
the first line in the first post implied between buildings.
"I’m going to run propane to my cabin."

I ran power and a compressor air line from the house to the garage, it was a pain digging.
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Yeah, I can see it both ways as the rest of the post is all internal stuff and thete is no mention of outdoor.
 
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