Gas Line Plumbing

[MrMark]

We have rats in our city, not unlike many other cities, rats eat our wires, our homes are 3 feet apart, in many neighborhoods all frame construction, our city has a negative feeling towards fire as most of it was burned to the ground, thus the conduit.
We have a stringent code because we had a history of severe flood episodes , much sewage was discharged into our lake and our water was compromised, epidemics would break out and many would die. We finally developed a strict plumbing code to keep us safe. Many other cities have the same history, codes are the result of reaction to terrible events. You should never dislike a code, it is there to help you. It is a law to keep you safe from guys who would otherwise do things in a poor manner.

You have EMT because of corruption of Union power in a corrupt city. That is the real reason.

I would really appreciate reading about the criminal prosecutions and prison terms referred to in your posts. Do you have a news link for the porch collapse and subsequent prosecutions?

Is this what you are talking about?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Chicago_balcony_collapse

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/15/48hours/main588736.shtml


No one went to jail. No prosecutions.

Criminal negligence cases are a pretty rare bird. That's why I asked for the link.

 

[Frank The Plumber]

You have EMT because of corruption of Union power in a corrupt city. That is the real reason.

I would really appreciate reading about the criminal prosecutions and prison terms referred to in your posts. Do you have a news link for the porch collapse and subsequent prosecutions?

Is this what you are talking about?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Chicago_balcony_collapse

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/15/48hours/main588736.shtml


No one went to jail. No prosecutions.

Criminal negligence cases are a pretty rare bird. That's why I asked for the link.

Your argument is that a city has strict codes and a quality of installation due to corruption and influence. The question there in must be asked: Why would a jurisdiction not have strict codes and a government that promotes quality of installation? And: In which scenario is the citizen better served? A community with no codes, no laws, no standardization, or, A community which has laws and codes.
Ever defend yourself against one of these lawsuits? There is no winning. You spend a million dollars to prove that you did not harm someone because you saved $4.69 in materials, WHY?
EMT is easy to work with, you can pull new wires through it, I live in an 80 year old home, I completely rewired it and removed all the old cloth wire in a weekend, never so much as opened one wall, try doing that in a romex or bx installation.
Just got a call this morning on a red tag service lock out, leaking gas valve on a heater, looks almost identical to this one, new heater and relocate the valve, new flue pipe, sent the gas guy back to check it, pass it and unlock it. Just another day in the business. Be safe

 

[MrMark]

EMT is not necessary and not any more safe than other wiring methods for residential. You think Chicago is the only city that cares about safety? You're dreaming if you think that is why you have EMT.

I'm still waiting to hear about those property owners and builders who went to prison for 20 years, or was that a bit of hyperbole?

Chicago is proud of their long and continued history of corruption. The citizens allow it to continue and wear it like a badge of honor.

 

[Frank The Plumber]

EMT is not necessary and not any more safe than other wiring methods for residential. You think Chicago is the only city that cares about safety? You're dreaming if you think that is why you have EMT.

I'm still waiting to hear about those property owners and builders who went to prison for 20 years, or was that a bit of hyperbole?

Chicago is proud of their long and continued history of corruption. The citizens allow it to continue and wear it like a badge of honor.

The case is still pending. Notice how I am not insulting you or the place where you reside? Wonder why that is? I simply do not feel that grouping a whole city together and making proprietary comments about a society that is thousands of miles from my home is a good way to project yourself as a person of intellect. I would not want to be seen as the type of person who generally groups people into stereo typical classifications. In modern society, it is frowned upon.

 

[MrMark]

If the case is still pending (from 2003 no less) how is it that the builder and property owner have been sent to prison for 20 years? Maybe you were a little off there. Maybe a little BS? Oh course, it is not in your makeup to admit that you were wrong, kind of like that advice of yours that it is OK to back off a fitting in a black pipe install. Any plumber worth has pipe dope knows that you never back off a NPT fitting.

I'm not grouping anything. If you want to tell me with a straight face that Chicago does not have a long and continuing history of corruption - many would argue forcefully that it is the most corrupt - then so be it. If you want to tell me that the citizens of Chicago are powerless to do anything about the corruption then feel free to do that too. I think it is pretty unassailable that Chicago citizens have the power to vote and that they have chosen to continuously over history vote for and empower corrupt regimes. The only thing I can draw from that is that the majority of voting Chicagoans want the corruption.

So don't come on this board spouting off BS about Chicago having some superior codes born of safety concerns when the reality is that many of these codes are born of corruption and/or to protect union power, as is their enforcement.

BTW, what are "proprietary comments"? I want some of those.

 

[Frank The Plumber]

I'm wondering what qualifies you as such an expert on the goings on in Chicago, did you perhaps watch the Dillinger movie? Maybe you watched the broadway musical Chicago? Perhaps you recently acquired a copy of the Jungle by Upton Sinclair? Perhaps you also gained your exquisite knowledge of unions and labor from watching the movie Hoffa. Excuse me, I must now go meet and kiss the Don and go and extort some shop owners for some protection cash. I'm going to hop into my black Coupe De Elegance and Benny and Vito and I are going to go to the Pay less shoe store and get some Gel soles for our black shoes,Get some platinum wing tips, saaweeeet, and collect the earnins from our girls. Then see how the ponies is a doin, Yo'. Hey Mr. Mark, Badda Bing Babby. And yo yo yo when I tighten a pipe I can back it off a bit, cause I gots the big guns brotha, then I pressure test it, all good yo.

If I need to know anything about Chicago , I call you ups and axss you, you are da espert on the prace I live. No foolin. You is the god of IT.

 

[Ryan]

Fellas... Under no circumstances is there a rational reason to get bent out of shape over gas line plumbing.