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rrmchevy93

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okay guys there is something that is being bothering lately :headscarf I love my GearWrench tools and my Snap on tools.. obviously my favorite ratchet is the snap on one to be more specific is the F80 series with 80 tooth. okay so i bought the a set of adjustable head GearWrench 84 toot ratchet set and they claim that they have 84 teeth and that the ratchet arc is 4.3 degrees and being only 1/4 of the price. so my snap on ratchet being 80 tooth and with an arc of 4.5 degrees is more expensive than the Gearwrench of 84 tooth and 4.3 degrees arc .. it doesn't make sense to me that the snap on ratchet feels better than the Gearwrench on and plus when I'm on a tight spot the snap on ratchet rotates faster and it seems like it engages better.. but yet the gear wrench claims to have better features .. can someone relate to this??? how is this possible?
 

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Honestly regardless of tooth count they will both feel/operate differently because by nature they are 2 completely different designs. I'm not a fan of the danaher/apex design regardless of what manufacturers name is stamped on it. I wouldn't put too much clout in a manufacturer claiming there design is best etc.. It's strictly a marketing ploy. The best advice is to simply ignore Manufacturing claims/opinions and form your own, which it sounds like you already have.

Btw I agree.. The drive/paw engagement of the dual 80 tech ratchets is reassuring, then again I own probably 20 different ratchet manufacturers including GW.
 
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More features do not necessarily equate to better quality or being smoother. Stick with what you like best.
 

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I have both the FLF80 and the gearwrench 120xp 3/8 flex. I like gearwrench toolsbut hate 120xps. Even superlubed i dont like it. They have a crunchy feel to me.I also dont like the detent in the flex part the angles it puts the ratchet at are not natural for me so i prefer without although most people here would beg to differ. After i got an FLF80 its about all i use now.
 
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Have you tried the gearwrench 120xp rachet. I really like these. Until I got one I loved my mac rachets . but I'm going to order a set of flex head 120xp now. I'm curious as to how long it will last. I don't abuse my rachets. Only time will tell.
 

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Ive never used a 120 xp but have used the lower tooth count gearwrench they are ok. And i have dual 80's i cant imagine a better ratchet than them. i have no desire to try differant ratchets. Ok maybe the snap on 100 toth roto head.. but i have hf roto heads and as little as i use them they get the job done
 

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I have snap on 80s, gw 84s, and 120s........I like them all, but when the going gets tough, the snap ons get the nod. When I say tough.....it could be a tight spot or a real tight bolt. I find the snap ons have less back drag, and the bolt on plate keeps things from coming apart. On the ratchets that have the snap ring cover plate, if the socket gets stuck on a bolt, and you pull the ratchet to lift the socket.......the snap ring gives and parts go flying. Has happened on EVERY ratchet that has a thin cover plate held on by a snap ring. (that I have used) Matco, armstrong, and of course the craftsman. That said.......after snap on ratchets, the gearwrench are my favorites. They are VERY nice for the money,and hold up decent to pro use. I wont pay more for an armstrong or matco when the gearwrench does the same thing for less. I also hate the armstrong handle. The matco handle is nice...but not nice enough to justify the price over gearwrench. I dont care where it is made.......I thank craftsman usa tools for that. They did not hold up well for me, and that got me looking elsewhere. I get many people here that disagree with me about the back drag between the dual 80 and the gw 120, but these are my findings.......
I do like snap on tools, and I buy them.......but I cant justify having only snap on, so I buy what I like and what I can afford. I go elsewhere for things that dont make as much as a differance to me. (like sockets...mine are gearwrench and grey pnuematic)
But to me the snap on ratchet is top shelf, and I have not worked with anybody over the years who doesnt have at least a couple snap on ratchets, many guys thats the only snap on they own.
 
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rrmchevy93

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Thanks for the feed back guys.. What about the snap
On sockets vs the GearWrench sockets ? I cant really tell a difference between the sockets just yet. What do you guys think? Are they worth it? The 6 point socket set 8mm - 19mm
 

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I've got a 24 tooth Proto that is 10x smoother and even "feels better" than a Dual 80. Tooth count and swing arc don't have much to do with that.

...and really, once you get above a 60 tooth or so, your swing arc is so small that adding more teeth doesn't really matter. They'll all get the job done.

I'm not shocked that the Dual 80 feels better to you than the Gearwrench...it's not made by Apex, the worst tool company in the world.
 

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If you don't have a 1/4dr ratchet yet then get the 120xp master set http://www.gearwrench.com/gearwrench-80300p-51-pc-1-4-drive-120xptm-sae-metric-6-point-standard-deep-socket-set.html
it has SAE and metric.
I picked up my set from:
http://garagejournal.com/forum/member.php?u=180795

here's pics of 1/4dr ratchets Gearwrench and SO's TRLL72. They are polar opposites as far as 1/4dr ratchets goes. GW is for confined spaces and the SO is for long reach.
View media item 37820View media item 37819
 

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Many Snap-On tools are overpriced and there are less expensive tools that perform just as well. However, IMHO, ratchets are one thing that Snap-On does better than anyone else. For me, there is no equal to a dual 80 ratchet.

.......after snap on ratchets, the gearwrench are my favorites. They are VERY nice for the money

Agreed. I bought a 1/4" flex GW ratchet to try out, and I really like it.
 
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part of what goes into the"feel" of a ratchet is the tension of the spring holding the pawl to the main gear. more tension = more drag. Some designs need that tension because they aren't manufactured to as tight of tolerances as say a dual 80 is, so with a weaker spring the "feel" would improve, however they'd have more warranty issues with reversing ratchets so a stiffer spring is used to make sure the pawl pushes into the gear.

Tooth count is marketing and rarely the difference between 60t and 88 (or any count in between) will make a difference. There are times it counts sure, but when we're talking a degree or less...come on. To me the feel is more important than tooth count. I have a 40ish tooth SK ratchet that's as smooth as silk. I have dual 80's with are awesome, and I've got some 60t Armstrong ratchets that are smooth as glass. I've also returned a 84t gearwrench ratchet because it had too much drag.

What good is a ratchet you can swing in tight places if the fastener moves back into the same spot it was in when you're swinging the ratchet the other direction?
 
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okay guys there is something that is being bothering lately :headscarf I love my GearWrench tools and my Snap on tools.. obviously my favorite ratchet is the snap on one to be more specific is the F80 series with 80 tooth. okay so i bought the a set of adjustable head GearWrench 84 toot ratchet set and they claim that they have 84 teeth and that the ratchet arc is 4.3 degrees and being only 1/4 of the price. so my snap on ratchet being 80 tooth and with an arc of 4.5 degrees is more expensive than the Gearwrench of 84 tooth and 4.3 degrees arc .. it doesn't make sense to me that the snap on ratchet feels better than the Gearwrench on and plus when I'm on a tight spot the snap on ratchet rotates faster and it seems like it engages better.. but yet the gear wrench claims to have better features .. can someone relate to this??? how is this possible?

Comparing snap-on to gearwrench is silly. Dont get me wrong I love my gearwrench stuff, it is NOT snap on quality though.
 

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Tooth count is marketing and rarely the difference between 60t and 88 (or any count in between) will make a difference. There are times it counts sure, but when we're talking a degree or less...come on. To me the feel is more important than tooth count. I have a 40ish tooth SK ratchet that's as smooth as silk. I have dual 80's with are awesome, and I've got some 60t Armstrong ratchets that are smooth as glass. I've also returned a 84t gearwrench ratchet because it had too much drag.

What good is a ratchet you can swing in tight places if the fastener moves back into the same spot it was in when you're swinging the ratchet the other direction?

Agreed. I have a old NAPA ratchet that I think is a 36-tooth. It's one of the smoothest ratchets I own...I love using it. Nearly any modern ratchet is going to have a 70+ tooth count, because that's what the consumer has demanded, making it the new normal. Pick the one that feels the best in your hand and you'll probably enjoy it for years to come.


That's the built-in indicator that means it's time to use your fingers!
 

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Thanks for the feed back guys.. What about the snap
On sockets vs the GearWrench sockets ? I cant really tell a difference between the sockets just yet. What do you guys think? Are they worth it? The 6 point socket set 8mm - 19mm

I'm a SnapOn die hard, BUT, for the home user or the pro just starting out I think Gearwrench has the quality at a price point that can't be beat. I've got some Gearwrench on my box and it gets along just fine with my SnapOn stuff.
 

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Thanks for the feed back guys.. What about the snap
On sockets vs the GearWrench sockets ? I cant really tell a difference between the sockets just yet. What do you guys think? Are they worth it? The 6 point socket set 8mm - 19mm

I'm a bit of a GW junkie. GW sockets make up about 80% of my main-use sockets. I've never had a bit of trouble with them, and they perform flawlessly working on my rusty trucks!
 

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I'm a bit of a GW junkie. GW sockets make up about 80% of my main-use sockets. I've never had a bit of trouble with them, and they perform flawlessly working on my rusty trucks!

Me as well, I love GW. All my sockets in 1/4 and 3/8 are GW and they are great. KMS Tools near me is the biggest GW dealer in my city and they have open stock of just about everything, so warranty is a breeze also.
 

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the snap-on bit is mostly kool-aid. i have a really nice dual 80. what is so nice about it? it sits in the box and rarely gets used. don't get me wrong i love the red hard handle on it and it is a fine ratchet but i honestly like my armstrong and gearwrench ratchets a lot more. 60,88 and 120 models. it is more about preference than brand
 

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As far as smoothness goes, ratchets seem to get smoother as they break in.

Another factor is how tolerance needs to made up, before work is performed. Also strength of design is a factor.

I complained to my snap-on guy about my ratchet wrenches not performing as well as my really old craftsman ratchet wrenches, his response was that they are not as strong though. So the intention of the design is different.

There are different designs, with a different focus in priority of function, within the design.

My 100 tooth ratchet is so smooth when using it it does not feel like it is ratcheting. It is lubed up with Lucas engine oil additive. I often have to look to make sure something is moving, it is that smooth.

I have mostly dual 80 ratchets, I have noticed that the ratchets that are lube up, have less drag. I wonder how those high number tooth GWs would do with some lube.

I really like the dual 80 ratchets, and usually wish I was using one, when I am not, especially when it comes to speed.

There are many good ratchets out there, but I would not suggest using a Dual 80, unless you were ready to buy one, or maybe tools really do not matter to you.

The professional craftsman look nice too, the U.S. made not cheap ones. I am surprised not to hear much about them in this forum. U.S. Made craftsman, that appears to be of high level quality. They feel good in the hand and are quite smooth. I played with one at the store, but I feel that I would have to give it a workout to have a good opinion of it. The head seemed similar to the Matco family of designs, for lack of a better description, thinner head than snap-on.

I never paid full price for any of my snap-on ratchets, and have gotten some essentially for free by the time the deal was done, or I bought one and got something else free, or received a pretty good discount. My Snap-on guy offers me all kinds of deals, I love the BOGOs, especially when I get a discount off of that. Even when I order something 95% of the time he either gives me a discount or gives me something for free. I know it is marketing, but I like getting deals on the things that I want anyway. I say this for the people that say snap-on is too expensive.

I also think it is funny how people say well having a cheap tool is ok because I do not use it everyday. I figure if you get hurt and you are a computer science engineer, or whatever else you do, and then hurt your hand, then the money you saved will cost you in the end. Also how valuable is your time. If your time has a high value then, having tools that save you time, may be worth investing. I do value my time and body highly. This is how I justify buying tools that are not cheap, plus I do love to crank hard on stuff, and feel like I earned something. I. Try to be careful, but it is nice to have confidence that something should not fail, most times when high force is needed.
 

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I also want to add, I have a Snap On F936 ratchet. This is the 36 tooth model that I believe was their standard, flagship ratchet before the Dual80 came along. It feels heavy duty as all hell, but it mainly just sits in the box--My Gearwrench 60 tooth, 60t stubby, and 120XP see the most use. They just feel better.
 

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GearWrench is thinner, but at the same time it is wider than the Dual80. Put a short socket to it and the overall profile is taller than equivalent Snap-on combo. I also notice GW have a lot more wiggle play at the drive end, and the mechanism requires regular maintenance. I didn't like the fact that the reverse lever is almost flush with the head, makes reversing the trapped ratchet a pain in the ***.

Don't forget that Snap-on also have 3/8"-in-1/4" ratchets and low profile ratchets if low clearance is your thing. I have not yet ran into a situation where I wished my Snap-on Dual80s would be a tad thinner, since the height of the sockets made up for the difference.
 

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The Dual 80 is the benchmark in ratchets as evidenced by every ratchet thread on this board. The Gearwrench ratchets are excellent quality as well, and I don't think that you can go wrong with them.

I've spoiled myself with Snap On ratchets, so nothing else is worth spending my money on at this point. To be honest, unless something ground breaking comes out, I probably won't buy another ratchet for my main box. For my various portable boxes, I will use whatever as I don't want to spend the coin on ratchets that may be lost or used infrequently.

I have 10 Dual 80's and a 100t Roto head, so I'm covered.
 
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