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timc930

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Looking at a Generac 28kw air cooled generator. We had the generac 200amp transfer switch and propane port installed when we built the house. Called Generac and they sent one of their local reseller/installer out and he quoted us $15k for the generator and installation. This seems high considering I can buy the generator at Home Depot for $7k. He offered us 5% off if we signed up the day he was here telling us if we did not he might be hard to get in touch with. Sounds like a timeshare racket to me. Any reason not to buy the generator from HD and find a licensed Electrician/Plumber to install since the gas and Transfer box are already installed?
 
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Costco has Honeywell generators (generac rebadge). I bought a 22kw for just under 5k delivered. Propane add on piping was 750 and the electrician was about 2 k and he had the special wire to run from transfer sw to genset.
When setup to the mothership (generac) it’s all the same start up process. Costco even had extended warranty. Works like a charm and a whole lot less money. Might be worth checking that out.
 

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I bought mine from a Generac dealer two years ago for 6800 including a transfer switch and 2800 to a local electrician to install. Got the zero percent interest of the generator and got it paid off in 14 months.
 

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What are you running in a house that you need 115 amps of power?

I have a 7.5kw and it's more than enough.
Heat, few lights, fridges/freezer, well pump... and still plenty left.

I can see around a 12-14kw if you have A/C and "need" it.
 

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What are you running in a house that you need 115 amps of power?

I have a 7.5kw and it's more than enough.
Heat, few lights, fridges/freezer, well pump... and still plenty left.

I can see around a 12-14kw if you have A/C and "need" it.
Depends on outage frequency and duration. Bigger generators are liquid cooled, so handle long outages better.
If you get frequent long outages, then being able to cook and such becomes more important, and justifies the larger generator.
 

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Yikes! I've thinking about a back up generator for some time. I do hate the high pressure sales tactics though. I think I think I'll get a good generator at Harbor Freight then have an electrician get me a plug in to my power.
 
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What are you running in a house that you need 115 amps of power?

I have a 7.5kw and it's more than enough.
Heat, few lights, fridges/freezer, well pump... and still plenty left.

I can see around a 12-14kw if you have A/C and "need" it.
So you're saying my 38kw is too large?

All electric house (4t heat pump w/electric back up, electric water heater, well, septic, electric appliances, electric fireplace....)

Not everyone's situations are the same
 

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So you're saying my 38kw is too large?

All electric house (4t heat pump w/electric back up, electric water heater, well, septic, electric appliances, electric fireplace....)

Not everyone's situations are the same
100 amp service is all we get.
 

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So you're saying my 38kw is too large?

All electric house (4t heat pump w/electric back up, electric water heater, well, septic, electric appliances, electric fireplace....)

Not everyone's situations are the same
I love my 37kw water cooled. That Mitsubishi 4 cylinder just quietly chugs along.
 
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Called Generac and they sent one of their local reseller/installer out and he quoted us $15k for the generator and installation. This seems high considering I can buy the generator at Home Depot for $7k. He offered us 5% off if we signed up the day he was here telling us if we did not he might be hard to get in touch with. Sounds like a timeshare racket to me. Any reason not to buy the generator from HD and find a licensed Electrician/Plumber to install since the gas and Transfer box are already installed?
$15k-$20k is the going rate around here. They seem to quote at that across the board. Which is a big ridiculous if you've got the ATS already wired in and propane at the pad.. Crazy.

I did what you did, bought the ATS - had it added during construction. Hardest part was it took 4 people to carry the generator about 30 feet uphill to the pad. Plumber ran a gas line. Total install cost $2k, if that...
 

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I love my 37kw water cooled. That Mitsubishi 4 cylinder just quietly chugs along.
An oversize gen set isn't good either.

At the shop we had a ~300kw (i may be off,it's been some years) unit we got in trade for $$ owed. Had a 220 Cummins, which is like 12 liter? (I forget now)
It would wet stack just powering the shop. Was fine to run the 5 head planer though. (Cheaper to run the generator than get 3 phase power)
 

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I installed my own. When after a couple years I wanted a trained guy to look it over he hit me pretty good, but it was worth it. I saved a lot up front and developed the trained tech where needed.
 

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What are you running in a house that you need 115 amps of power?

I have a 7.5kw and it's more than enough.
Heat, few lights, fridges/freezer, well pump... and still plenty left.

I can see around a 12-14kw if you have A/C and "need" it.
I'm glad a 7.5 works for you. For many of us, it won't. Heck, my 2HP well pump would use 1/3 of that before anything else gets to say hello.

A/C if we "need" it? When you lose power in TX in the summer, you "need" it. We have four AC units, but only run two if we lose power. Between the AC and pump, your 7.5 is one and done.

Lose power for an hour or two, sure you can get by. I've lost power multiple times, the longest was 8 days after a tropical storm. Unless you want to live like a hermit, you'll need the washer/dryer, well pump, AC, refr, oven, etc.

I have friends who can struggle by with a portable gen, and I'm happy it works for them. I have two 200 amp panels, and one 100 amp panel. I need a standby generator.
 

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I'm glad a 7.5 works for you. For many of us, it won't. Heck, my 2HP well pump would use 1/3 of that before anything else gets to say hello.
And there is start surge.
But it's a fair point. I've got a 20kW generator... I'm sure if I ran a load calc, it'd say that I'm under-provisioned. But reality is that my annual peak power pull for this year is 15kW - which is across the house and shop... At $7k not much price difference between 20k and 28k though, so maybe that's the right answer.

ATS makes everything way easier... Worth it.
 

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I used to sell and install Generac.

I thought about putting one on my house, then decided the ever ten years longer power outage didn't justify it. I have a 7,000 watt portable that works just fine for my situation.
We have been in this house for 35 y
ears and have had one power outage that lasted two days. We have had very few last more than a couple hours. No sump pump to deal with. Really the 7,000 watt is too large and I would prefer a smaller unit, about half the size. Easier to move around.

As for the OP, make certain the plumber or electrician read the manual, and have a Generac tech for startup for warranty. Pretty sure a trained tech is required for startup. The gas hook up can be tricky, but it should be all in the manual. They take a huge amount of gas and many installers run to small of pipe.
 

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I've got a little 4kw portable. Can't run the stove or dryer, can still cook with other appliances and even run the a/c.
 

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I'm glad a 7.5 works for you. For many of us, it won't. Heck, my 2HP well pump would use 1/3 of that before anything else gets to say hello.

A/C if we "need" it? When you lose power in TX in the summer, you "need" it. We have four AC units, but only run two if we lose power. Between the AC and pump, your 7.5 is one and done.

Lose power for an hour or two, sure you can get by. I've lost power multiple times, the longest was 8 days after a tropical storm. Unless you want to live like a hermit, you'll need the washer/dryer, well pump, AC, refr, oven, etc.

I have friends who can struggle by with a portable gen, and I'm happy it works for them. I have two 200 amp panels, and one 100 amp panel. I need a standby generator.
I lived in Houston, San Antonio and Witchia Falls. No A/C
Same in Idaho where normal summers temps are in the 100s.

Wasn't fun, but I didn't die (least I think i didn't). I get sweaty at above 65* so not like the southerners that act like 10* is deathly frigid and 90* is comfy haha.

Even if a/c is "required", that's what, 30 amps?

You all buying 10k, 20k... $30,000 gen sets for the maybe once a year few days (if that) power outage are for sure not anywhere near my tax bracket!
And don't even start about the power outage for 2 weeks back in 1996 or whatever like it happens every few months.
I have under $500 in mine.

Point I was making is size it properly. There's no need to expect every power draw will be on while on emergency power.

Even my "tiny" (normal size) 7500 watt needed a gas meter upsize to handle.

35,000 watts would be commercial gas service, which is expensive. The monthly feed is more and the rates are higher.

Do whatever you want, not my money, but it was asked.
 
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Even if a/c is "required", that's what, 30 amps?
Depends on the unit of course. Mine is on a 50A 240V breaker. Heat is on two 60A 240V breakers. Needless to say, I don't power up the heat pump when I'm running my portable generator, though I can power up much of the rest of the house.
 

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I lived in Houston, San Antonio and Witchia Falls. No A/C
Even if a/c is "required", that's what, 30 amps?
No AC in Texas? Glad we don't kink shame...

There is a big AC in-rush, so running current and starting current may be different things. Could always do soft-starts.

And I've got a "portable" generator with an interlock for the shop, I ain't throwing stones. Depends on what your goal is. The OP has already installed the ATS and has a gas line, so it's not going to cost a fortune (despite his quotes).

Biggest power draw typical on TX homes is actually for our emergency heat strips since builders typically install heat pumps that don't work worth a darn in really cold weather... You know for the 4 days every few years that it gets really cold in TX.

As it's hot as hell here, you never know how LONG the power will be down - could be 2 minutes, 2 hours, 2 days... The auto-start and ATS system prevents a bunch of manual labor in the 100 degree heat. There is some value in that.
 

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My parents have an heat pump. Got a 25kw pto generator, but that would burn to much diesel to run continuously though.

They have a little propane wall heater for power outages. Big enough to keep that half of the house warm. Don't think they have ever used it but it's there.
 

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I lived in Houston, San Antonio and Witchia Falls. No A/C
Same in Idaho where normal summers temps are in the 100s.

Wasn't fun, but I didn't die (least I think i didn't). I get sweaty at above 65* so not like the southerners that act like 10* is deathly frigid and 90* is comfy haha.

Even if a/c is "required", that's what, 30 amps?

You all buying 10k, 20k... $30,000 gen sets for the maybe once a year few days (if that) power outage are for sure not anywhere near my tax bracket!
And don't even start about the power outage for 2 weeks back in 1996 or whatever like it happens every few months.
I have under $500 in mine.

Point I was making is size it properly. There's no need to expect every power draw will be on while on emergency power.

Even my "tiny" (normal size) 7500 watt needed a gas meter upsize to handle.

35,000 watts would be commercial gas service, which is expensive. The monthly feed is more and the rates are higher.

Do whatever you want, not my money, but it was asked.
Mine was just out for 5 days a few weeks ago. Buddy a few towns over was down for 12 days.

Mines a 16kw natural gas, but it came with the house. Both neighbors lost all the food in their fridges and freezers, as their portable gens were only running for the well and sump pumps. I would've offered up my spare fridge and deep freeze if I knew. They both know for the next outage though.

I'd still go whole house though if I ever move, 16-20kw is plenty for me.
 

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Looking at a Generac 28kw air cooled generator. We had the generac 200amp transfer switch and propane port installed when we built the house. Called Generac and they sent one of their local reseller/installer out and he quoted us $15k for the generator and installation. This seems high considering I can buy the generator at Home Depot for $7k. He offered us 5% off if we signed up the day he was here telling us if we did not he might be hard to get in touch with. Sounds like a timeshare racket to me. Any reason not to buy the generator from HD and find a licensed Electrician/Plumber to install since the gas and Transfer box are already installed?
My mom was just quoted $12k for a 24kw/200A ATS installed.

Can get the gen and ATS for $7k at Menards.
 

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An oversize gen set isn't good either.

At the shop we had a ~300kw (i may be off,it's been some years) unit we got in trade for $$ owed. Had a 220 Cummins, which is like 12 liter? (I forget now)
It would wet stack just powering the shop. Was fine to run the 5 head planer though. (Cheaper to run the generator than get 3 phase power)
Many places require full capacity if on an ATS, or some kind of load shedding.

Never seen a gas generator wet stack, but I've not seen everything.
 
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