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simple man

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I am getting ready to meet with a general contractor for the building a new garage.

Does anybody have any suggestions for specific wording that should be included in the contract? The base agreement seems to protect the GC, but I am concerned about protecting my interests. One of my concerns is making sure that all of the subs are paid.

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Draw it up so that all the material & subs bills are paid directly by you. That makes the contractor in effect a working project manager.

If he won't do it that way, do progress payments- line out where the job has to be to get a payment. As you get to the end stage, request receipts that the subs have been paid or contact them directly. Never get to the end without some financial leverage on your side. No final payment until the inspection is signed off & you have releases from all subs and material suppliers.
If for example, you are close to the end and the guy that did the grading / foundation still hasn't been paid, that would be cause for concern.
 

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If your main concern is the sub, then that won't be an issue. You don't need to address the sub. It's not your job to manage the sub, so your agreement or service contract should always address directly at your GC.

How you address it is that whatever the task is, the price that you negotiated should include "labor, equipment, and material".

When any client or customer want a service, they should be in control of the service contract, not the other way around. However, most ppl won't know how a service contract should behave. So you're already losing
 

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Depending on what state you live in it is the contractor's responsibility to offer you the contract, not visa-versa. For example in my state (PA) I have to write a contract and have the client read and sign in before I collect any money or do any work. This contract has to meet very specific guidelines set fourth by the state designed almost exclusively to protect the customer. Very little is allowed to be written into the contract any more to protect me, the guy doing the work. I can only take the cost of materials and 1/3 my labor cost up front, once the job is done it can be a **** shoot as to if and when I'll get paid. I have never been burned but I do hear lots of stories from other contractors.

You can request certain things be written into the contract but don't be surprised if the guy says thanks but no thanks.

Bottom line advice I can give is before you sign anything ask to see an insurance certificate, a license # (if your state requires it), references, and ask about building permits that he will pull for you...
 

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If your main concern is the sub, then that won't be an issue. You don't need to address the sub. It's not your job to manage the sub, so your agreement or service contract should always address directly at your GC.

How you address it is that whatever the task is, the price that you negotiated should include "labor, equipment, and material".

When any client or customer want a service, they should be in control of the service contract, not the other way around. However, most ppl won't know how a service contract should behave. So you're already losing

Wrong.
Unpaid subs ad vendors can lien your property.
Look into buying a payment bond on the GC which ensures all subs are paid.
Check into the GC references both listed in by him, and not listed, like call other subs around town and call supply houses to make sure he pays.
 

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Making sure your contractor's subs are paid should be one of your highest priorities but it can be challenging. The reality is that most GC's are not able or willing to pay subs until they are paid.

On longer jobs with progress payments, you can require signed lien waivers from all subs for monies due from the previous payment before you issue the current payment. This still leaves you at risk on the final payment, which is often when the problem arises so it's not perfect solution.

In this circumstance or on shorter jobs where there are just a couple installments, you can require two party checks. The sub will communicate how much they are owed and you write the check out to both parties. The GC has to sign off but the check is cashed by the sub.

Be prepared for some push back and maybe even hard feelings from your GC. This will likely have a negative impact on your working relationship. If you've hired a reputable contractor, it might not be necessary or advisable to take all the steps available to you - you've got to decide how much risk there is and how much you are willing to take.

Contractors don't stay in business very long if they don't pay their subs.
 

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Google up "general contractor agreement", IIRC there are several you can download. Get one in Word format. Be as detailed as you possibly, and reasonably, can.

If you don't have any legal knowledge you might consider taking what you find to a paralegal and ask if they could go over it to see if there are any hole. Worth the $$ up front, vs. the huge hassle later.

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Require a bond, and the wording, time is of the essence, as to the start date and a reasonable finish date, withholding 10% of payment for a reasonable time upon completion is not a bad idea (as written in the contract); around here if the contractor is paid in full, he vanishes into another dimension. Personally I was a contractor so I have no issue with specing out workmanship or materials, but if your not use to it I would get an Architect/Engineer to supply the specs; this is an area which you can get screw if the contractor is shady. Even if the contractor is reputable, having a pro spec out everything alleviates tensions on both side.
The last time I dealt with a contractor, I was dealing with replacement insurance due to a fire, I wrote all the detailed spec, and I add a clause as to workmanship and materials had to be to replacement or exceeding replacement quality; among other things it got me floor beams 12" OC vs 16"OC, a 2 layers of 3/4 ply sub floor....so careful specing is must.
 
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Hahah... That's nuts!

Like I said, when you have a service contract/agreement, the client or customer should be in control- you should be writing the contract. For most people that does not know a thing about service contract, it's a losing battle to begin with because you either use the contractor's wording or you just play it by ears.

In a perfect world, "subcontractor" are not under your control that's the reason why you call them "subcontractor(s)". If you're to manage them or pay them directly, then it's primary contractor. There are rules and exceptions in state or local gov't that may say that subcontractor are allow to sue the client or place a lien.

It's all in the service contract and it can be an art.
Wrong.
Unpaid subs ad vendors can lien your property.
Look into buying a payment bond on the GC which ensures all subs are paid.
Check into the GC references both listed in by him, and not listed, like call other subs around town and call supply houses to make sure he pays.
 

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A set of blueprints & list of materials (from the strength of the concrete to the light switches & fixtures) is as important as the contract, and should be mentioned in the contract. If you don't both agree up front on what is being built the contract can be worthless.
 

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You may want to incorporate specs for things you want done above and beyond code. Contractors are notorious for using the cheapest materials they can find that still meet code.
 

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Good advice here but the specific question was about payment to sub contractors. It is hard to time stage payments with sub contractor payments. Even a fund control administered by whatever financial institution is holding your money won't necessarily coincide with the contractor's expenses.

The way it works around here is that any material delivered to the jobsite will come with a "preliminary notice." A prelim identifies the source of the material and gives the supplier the right to lien the property for non payment. Subs do the same thing. Labor on the contractor's payroll does not prelim.

So, you are watching 3 fronts and it's impossible to know all of what is going on. Some of the labor might be getting cash. They won't have lien rights but if they get hurt and there's no insurance, they can come after the owner. Contracting is difficult.

Do your best due diligence without ******* off the contractor. Of course the best way to do this is to get all the understanding out of the way before work begins. Fund controll officers can explain the details of the locale. And they would require a 10% holdback to have time to collect any remaining lien releases and insure final inspection and satisfaction of the terms of the contract.

The best thing about fund control is that the issue of money is now placed in third party's hands and according to their terms as prescribed in advance. This leaves the relationship of owner to contractor free of the money issue so that they can focus on the build.

As mentioned, on small projects with 2-3 stage payments might not be worth the trouble of a fund control, but even your wife can do this. It takes the checkbokk out of your hands and puts it in third party hands. Good guy/bad guy.

The Tool Man says he can get an advance on all materials and a 1/3 of the job in his state. In my state I can get 10% of the total job or $1000, whichever is LESS. From that point on I cannot collect more than 95% of the total of labor and materials produced. "Labor" does include overhead expenses. This rule is hard to maintain because it's some subjective especially on smaller jobs. It's much easier to follow the percentages in multi million dollar jobs.

The idea is to not let the contract get way ahead of the job's progress financially. Of course many contractors see that differently. They will maintain that once a certain amount of work is done they should get another payment for the next stages of work, A series of advances, if you will. CA law does not allow for that, but as I said, it's tough to police on a $50,000 job.

LLWillysfan says contractors don't stay in business long if they don't pay their subs. True, but you don't wan't to be the first job where this starts to happen. A sudden turn of events can drain a contractor's finances and a good guy gets behind. If you do good paperwork, you can protect your interests and maybe his.
 

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Hahah... That's nuts!

Like I said, when you have a service contract/agreement, the client or customer should be in control- you should be writing the contract. For most people that does not know a thing about service contract, it's a losing battle to begin with because you either use the contractor's wording or you just play it by ears.

In a perfect world, "subcontractor" are not under your control that's the reason why you call them "subcontractor(s)". If you're to manage them or pay them directly, then it's primary contractor. There are rules and exceptions in state or local gov't that may say that subcontractor are allow to sue the client or place a lien.

It's all in the service contract and it can be an art.

It's SOP - in the law. You should read it sometime

"In Texas, mechanics' liens are created by constitutional right and by statute. A Constitutional Lien is available only to contractors in direct contractual privity with the owner for the improvements to the property. Statutory mechanics' liens may be asserted, similar to other states, by general contractors, subcontractors, materialmen, mechanics, or artisans. A Texas mechanics lien that is filed with regard to work performed on privately owned property attaches to and encumbers the fee simple ownership of the property.

Real estate brokers of commercial property also have Texas mechanics lien rights for unpaid commissions in the state of Texas.

For public projects, a lien against monies due the prime contractor may be filed. The Texas public mechanics lien claim is against monies due, not against the real property or improvements"

"Who can file a Texas mechanics' lien Claim? Contractors, as well as subcontractors, sub-subcontractors and suppliers who have a contract with a general contractor or a subcontractor can file a Texas construction lien. Architects, engineers and surveyors are also entitled to Texas statutory liens so long as their design is utilized in the performance of the construction work."

In simple - you pay the contractor, the contractor skips with the cash, the subs lien your property and you are on the hook. Plenty of sad tales on the webs about this. You can write whatever the hell you like on the contract - bottom line is that if the subs get shorted, the law lets them lien the property.

Also - in Texas and I imagine other places too - the sub can file a Stop Notice with you that says you owe them money. It's your problem because you are financing the project.

See d)

"§ 53.056. DERIVATIVE CLAIMANT: NOTICE TO OWNER OR ORIGINAL CONTRACTOR. (a) Except as provided by Subchapter K, a claimant other than an original contractor must give the notice prescribed by this section for the lien to be valid.

(b) If the lien claim arises from a debt incurred by a subcontractor, the claimant must give to the original contractor written notice of the unpaid balance. The claimant must give the notice not later than the 15th day of the second month following each month in which all or part of the claimant's labor was performed or material delivered. The claimant must give the same notice to the owner or reputed owner and the original contractor not later than the 15th day of the third month following each month in which all or part of the claimant's labor was performed or material or specially fabricated material was delivered.

(c) If the lien claim arises from a debt incurred by the original contractor, the claimant must give notice to the owner or reputed owner, with a copy to the original contractor, in accordance with Subsection (b).

(d) To authorize the owner to withhold funds under Subchapter D, the notice to the owner must state that if the claim remains unpaid, the owner may be personally liable and the owner's property may be subjected to a lien unless:
(1) the owner withholds payments from the contractor for payment of the claim; or
(2) the claim is otherwise paid or settled.
(e) The notice must be sent by registered or certified mail and must be addressed to the owner or reputed owner or the original contractor, as applicable, at his last known business or residence address.
(f) A copy of the statement or billing in the usual and customary form is sufficient as notice under this section."
 
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^I never said subs can't sue or put a lien on your property. I only encourage a good professional service contract to be control by the customer/client.

If you worry about subs going after you, put a waiver in the service contract that you created. Again, it's all in the service contract, just don't play by ears.

AGAIN, YOU SHOULD BE IN CONTROL!
 
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I strongly suggest spending a couple of hundred bucks with local attorney and have him/her draft a contract that protects your interests and holds the contractor liable for things that are in his area of responsibility.

I would strongly advise not depending on contractor's paper; after all it is your money and it should therefore be your paper and should protect your interest.

You will be spending quite a bit of money on the garage, think of it as an insurance policy against potential issues with subs, material payments, scope management, liens, nonperformance, malperformance, disagreements, misconceptions, misunderstandings ... etc.
 

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Pay the subs yourself. Develop a simple partial and full lien waver and any time you hand some one a check have them sign it and it is best to have a notary there to stamp the waiver as well. We are in a **** storm because we were sending checks to the builder and he was not paying vendors.
 

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Wrong.
Unpaid subs ad vendors can lien your property.
Look into buying a payment bond on the GC which ensures all subs are paid.
Check into the GC references both listed in by him, and not listed, like call other subs around town and call supply houses to make sure he pays.

Varies by state. In Missouri, in residential property, (I think the exact wording includes "owner occupied" so it may not apply to rental property) the owner can't be made to pay twice. Subs and suppliers can't go after the property owner if the owner has paid the contractor for those things.
There was quite a stir here some years ago in which contractors would collude with subs and use that to win a lowball bid. Contractor would collect the full amount and not pay the subs. Subs would then put liens on the property, sue, or both and collect from the owner. I'm not sure the actual collusion was ever proven, but there was such a stink over homeowners paying double that the law was changed.
Now, a sub's recourse (assuming the homeowner did pay) is against the contractor.
 

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I've been a contractor for 41 years. I have done all kinds of work. I've always been small potatoes, hands on. A few times I've had contracts come near a $100,000. That's a lot for a one man band using a few subs.

The relationship between the contractor and the owner must be good from the start. They should look forward to completion as friends even if they never see each other again. A few times I've smelled a rat and walked away.

If you express your concerns with a contractor without insulting him (like, are you sure you're going to pay the subs?), then all the details should be easy to work out. If you tell me that WE need a lawyer to build a garage, fk you.

I've got 2 4 drawer file cabinets full of contracts and never saw a lawyer.
 

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^^^^^that^^^^^ is the real answer. We live in a nation of 50 states with 50 different rules on who can lien your property, and why. As a Surveyor, I know how those laws work in the two states I'm licensed in, and those laws are different.

The last contractor I used and I discussed over lunch in my backyard how many times he'd been stuck by owners over 20+ years of doing $10k to $2M remodels and ground up construction projects. A few of his stories were NOT happy endings for any of the parties involved. He left my project wishing all his clients treated him as my wife and I did.
 
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see a lawyer

^^^^^that^^^^^ is the real answer. We live in a nation of 50 states with 50 different rules on who can lien your property, and why. As a Surveyor, I know how those laws work in the two states I'm licensed in, and those laws are different.

Those are the wrong answers........

To the OP....it helps to know what state your in......which is about the only thing where2 got right....

You don't need a lawyer to set up a contract to get your garage built.

Let us know what state your in and we can give some 'accurate' advice.

For when you meet with him.....

1. Time Schedule
2. What subs is he using.....if any. Believe it or not, some contractors have all their own people for all the tasks.
3. Payment schedule - In some states the payment schedule is dictated by law.
4. Full project specs. If the contractor is building something designed off a napkin....expect something that looks like a napkin
5. If you have an architect....he should be riding herd on the GC for most of the project.

Do NOT have an impound account where the GC can draw from it as needed. That is one of the most common ways people get hosed on projects.

With that said....it is common for progress payments to be tied to material delivery. Once the material shows up at your house....it's yours.

BTW.....Zeke is the person you should be listening to.....
 
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Those are the wrong answers........

To the OP....it helps to know what state your in......which is about the only thing where2 got right....

You don't need a lawyer to set up a contract to get your garage built.

Let us know what state your in and we can give some 'accurate' advice.

For when you meet with him.....

1. Time Schedule
2. What subs is he using.....if any. Believe it or not, some contractors have all their own people for all the tasks.
3. Payment schedule - In some states the payment schedule is dictated by law.
4. Full project specs. If the contractor is building something designed off a napkin....expect something that looks like a napkin
5. If you have an architect....he should be riding herd on the GC for most of the project.

Do NOT have an impound account where the GC can draw from it as needed. That is one of the most common ways people get hosed on projects.

With that said....it is common for progress payments to be tied to material delivery. Once the material shows up at your house....it's yours.

BTW.....Zeke is the person you should be listening to.....


As a lawyer, I disagree with this. See a lawyer.
 

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For a garage build, you better NOT need a lawyer unless you're planning on hiring a smuck for the GC, and expecting problems.

Do NOT offer to pay the subs . . . that is GC's job as 9 times out of 10 he is marking up their bills anyway to "manage the subs" and homeowner should be getting his money's worth and GC should be doing his job paying the subs. Besides if homeowner pays subs and amount is over $600 then 1099-MISC reporting comes into play and that is NOT something homeowner wants to be in middle (ie requires a W-9 with SSN of those subs . . . yeah right!!).

My finished basement on old house was 20K with a GC and I had benchmark (percentage completion) threshholds where payments were required, but within an overall FIXED BID (ie not to exceed amount - - could be less but not more). Also, be sure to KEEP 10% holdback that is only paid by Homeowner on final signoff that all is completed to satisfaction. Get all warranties in writing.
 

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As a lawyer, I disagree with this. See a lawyer.

Of course you would disagree.......

But notice how you have failed to give any good reasons as to why he needs a lawyer?

I would also like to point out that a very large majority of construction projects start and complete sucessfully without a lawyer being involved.
 

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This is an interesting thread. Some good advice and some not so good. The hard truth is that your best defense is to hire a good contractor and trust them to do the job. If you follow some of the advice provided in this thread, a lot of great contractors are going to tell you to pound sand and move on to less obnoxious customers - the good ones don't lack for work.

No contract can fix the problems created by a bad contractor and any contract will work for a good one.

Pick a good one, sign a standard contract and don't try and re-invent the wheel.

Oh yea, the last thing you need is a lawyer.
 
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Thanks everybody for the good information.

FWIW I am in North Carolina and am checking to see what the lien requirements are for the state. I understand that there may be some recent changes in the NC lien laws.

I agree with the comments that I don't want to antagonize the CG before getting started.

Rick
 

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Of course you would disagree.......

But notice how you have failed to give any good reasons as to why he needs a lawyer?

I would also like to point out that a very large majority of construction projects start and complete sucessfully without a lawyer being involved.

Read my previous comment, I did address why he needed an attoney in that post.

You need a clear agreement drafted by a knowledgable attorney for the times when things do not go well; just like you need insurance for when unexpected happens.


Thanks.
 

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In my state verbal contracts are honored. A lot goes down after the paperwork is signed and the project begins. I speak only from experience in my state, but I could blow holes in most contracts whether written by a lawyer or a school kid. Getting things done on the level of a garage project involves some trust.

Leave the friggen lawyered up contracts for building hospitals and hiways. No disrespect meant towards the legal profession.

So, you come to me with your lawyer generated contract. Then you see a change you'd like to make. I can do that 600 bucks later for your lawyer and 2 weeks downtime.

You really want to work that way?
 

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I've been a contractor for 41 years. I have done all kinds of work. I've always been small potatoes, hands on. A few times I've had contracts come near a $100,000. That's a lot for a one man band using a few subs.

The relationship between the contractor and the owner must be good from the start. They should look forward to completion as friends even if they never see each other again. A few times I've smelled a rat and walked away.

If you express your concerns with a contractor without insulting him (like, are you sure you're going to pay the subs?), then all the details should be easy to work out. If you tell me that WE need a lawyer to build a garage, fk you.

I've got 2 4 drawer file cabinets full of contracts and never saw a lawyer.

^This! I have been at it for just over half as long as Zeke and would echo everything he said. A lawyer is not necessary, references from happy customers, proper insurance and state licencing, a willingness to pull permits, and a good working relationship are all that are needed.

I, personally have a great relationship with all my customers past and present, heck I just got a Christmas card from a guy I built a deck for twenty years ago and haven't seen for at least fifteen. Sure there are lots of thieves and hacks out there but I believe there are even more good guys out there just trying to do what is right for their clients and their own families. Treating us all like thieves and hacks will only result in you driving the good guys away.
 

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There are times where lawyer must fill the gap in small project/matter. Many of us see there's not a need of lawyer in these types of projects because we deal with nickels and dimes, not like in hundred to million dollar project.

All I can say is that, we all should encourage the OP to write a good contract. If the contractor has one for the OP to sign, post it and see if there are holes and we just fill it.
In my state verbal contracts are honored. A lot goes down after the paperwork is signed and the project begins. I speak only from experience in my state, but I could blow holes in most contracts whether written by a lawyer or a school kid. Getting things done on the level of a garage project involves some trust.

Leave the friggen lawyered up contracts for building hospitals and hiways. No disrespect meant towards the legal profession.

So, you come to me with your lawyer generated contract. Then you see a change you'd like to make. I can do that 600 bucks later for your lawyer and 2 weeks downtime.

You really want to work that way?
 
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