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wyliesdiesels

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$95 for 1140KWhr? Thats dirt cheap.

Around here it would be closer to 3 bills...

Seems he doesnt know how cheap he gets it.
 
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Breezed over it, looks very interesting. I'll have to print it and put it by the toilet. Thanks for sharing!
 

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Quick read of the diagram shows $25,000 in Tesla batteries, a $1300 controller and a $3000 inverter. Not counting the rest of the equipment. At $93 saved per month, that's a 26 year pay back just on the Tesla/battery/inverter parts. Hmmm.
 
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If you use the power company as your battery, cost and maintenance comes way down. (Grid inter tie.) It really only makes sense where the utility wants an excessive amount to extend the line. My utility charges a line access fee that keeps the payback well into double digit years.

And forget air conditioning or electric heat.
 

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And you will have a power bill, becuae as yet tesla have not figured out how to make that work in a non grid tied scenario. they say they are working on it.
 

wyliesdiesels

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Quick read of the diagram shows $25,000 in Tesla batteries, a $1300 controller and a $3000 inverter. Not counting the rest of the equipment. At $93 saved per month, that's a 26 year pay back just on the Tesla/battery/inverter parts. Hmmm.

And i highly doubt the equipment will last that long.

Say it lasts 13 years.

Well there goes the 26yr payback...
 

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the power wall was not a success for a multitude of issues, installation and correctly do it were the #1...

pricing is still a decade before payback

perhaps when they can stack the "less than production quality" batteries, the price will come down, as residential would work fine with 65-80% battery capacity.

Hopefully something NEW in battery replacement technology will come along in the mean time. Somehow I think we can find better tech than the current 100 year old stuff that we still use to make batteries.
 

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This is one smart lad! I do wish there was more DC storage devices/batteries in the 330-400V range. (But.. I do actually much prefer to see something in the 500–600 DC voltage range.) I am currently working on dispensing DC bus voltage into heat in the 380 VDC range 1000-5000 W. it would be cool to send this back into a closed loop system.

For example, I’d much rather see this guy fill his air compressor tanks before grid tying.
 
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pistolpete1313

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This is something I know very well (day job)

It all depends on your utility rates for payback.

So many different tiers, so many different rates across the nation. If anyone is truly interested me om me and I'll give you the most detailed analysis for free.

On to the equipment because that's what we care about here. My opinion is that the grid is very hard to replace. Unless you have special circumstances, you want to be grid tied.

With that said, battery backup / playing with time of use rates can be profitable. If you have the interest/skill/time to build a non off the shelf system you can do it reasonably (still not cheap)

For the average homeowner the best quality and most cost effective system would be SolarEdge+lg chem battery.

There are warranty/reliability/code reasons behind that choice.

A $5kwdc solar + 10kwh backup system costs $25k. You get a critical load panel and about a day or two of backup.

If you want an accurate financial analysis there is much much more. The largest mistake I see in proposals is inaccurate utility rates and utility rate increases.

It's a big decision that I'm confident will pay for itself but the production part is easy to understand, the financial math is a little more difficult.

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This is one smart lad! I do wish there was more DC storage devices/batteries in the 330-400V range. (But.. I do actually much prefer to see something in the 500–600 DC voltage range.) I am currently working on dispensing DC bus voltage into heat in the 380 VDC range 1000-5000 W. it would be cool to send this back into a closed loop system.

For example, I’d much rather see this guy fill his air compressor tanks before grid tying.
Lg chem battery is 400v


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Glad there is some competition in the battery storage market. Interesting that the guarantee is only 60% @ 10 years of battery life.

Without time of day metering, a low 0.08743/ kWh cost (0.10769 over 1000 kWh/month), and no extra state incentives, even living in the sunshine state, I can't make a business case for solar.
 

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Glad there is some competition in the battery storage market. Interesting that the guarantee is only 60% @ 10 years of battery life.

Without time of day metering, a low 0.08743/ kWh cost (0.10769 over 1000 kWh/month), and no extra state incentives, even living in the sunshine state, I can't make a business case for solar.

IIRC, Florida is rated one of the worst states for solar thanks to protectionism by the power industry.
 

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I just saw a video from a guy in Australia about his solar grid tie system (no batteries). It was about 3 (?) years old. When he self-installed it, he estimated less than 10 year payback. Prices have dropped enough, he says if he did it today it would be less than 5 year pay back.

Grid tie is MUCH MORE COST EFFECTIVE than a stand alone system.
 

theoldwizard1

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IIRC, Florida is rated one of the worst states for solar thanks to protectionism by the power industry.

FL is certainly NOT solar "friendly" ! IIRC, they have a very high ($50/month ?) "meter charge", which the POCOs say is to maintain the existing infrastructure and provide the power required for when the sun is not shinning.
 

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I just saw a video from a guy in Australia about his solar grid tie system (no batteries). It was about 3 (?) years old. When he self-installed it, he estimated less than 10 year payback. Prices have dropped enough, he says if he did it today it would be less than 5 year pay back.

Grid tie is MUCH MORE COST EFFECTIVE than a stand alone system.

My dad and I did a self install at my parents house. 6kW system cost around $8k. It should pay for itself in under 5 years.
 

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I'd have to check what the average generation is, but our utility rates are about $.17/kWh.
 
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