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jeepjunky

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So I just got my bunker garage. There is no electricity to the building nor can there be. I have been given permission to run a generator. But I don’t know how big of one I will need. The generator will need to power some lights, and eventually a small compressor or 110v welder. Mostly Ill just be running lights though. My heat will be from a propane heater.
I’m thinking about picking up a small fuse panel and supplying it from the generator. Then have a breaker for lights, one for outlets, and possibly a 220v. All my power runs will be temporary, so if I ever move they can come with me.
 
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matt151617

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If there can't be power run, what's the issue? Just use some extension cords, the generator has breakers and outlets built into it.
 

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I would recommend getting 2 generators. A small one now, between 1000 and 2000 watts for now and a bigger one later for the compressor and welder. You will save a lot of money on fuel with the smaller ones.
 

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Some of the newer inverter generators (Honda) will throttle up and down with load so you will use less fuel when just running lights. You could start with something for just smaller loads or big enough for an air compressor and add a gas powered welder and or air compressor later. For temp use, there are generator cords that can use a 20 amp 220 or 30 amp 120 plg and split it to 3-4 plugs. Would save you the trouble of a breaker box and wiring.
Consider noise levels before you buy too cheap. You don't want to listen to a lawnmower engine right outside your shop the whole time you are there.
If you will run alot, consider a diesel for longevity. Some of the older miltary sets aren't too badly priced if you can find them and will run for weeks on end.
 

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Careful there. Most military generators aren't 60hz, and most are 3 phase anyway.
They're great units, but not too efficient, and not too compatible with civilian tools.

The advise I've seen in the past, was that if you need a compressor, you're probably better off with an engine driven one, than running an electric one off a generator. Just another something to think about.

Also, for lighting, have you considered solar with a battery bank?
 

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Most military generators have adjustable hertz with a range between 58-62 that you dial in to 60. Plus, they are designed to run off of a secondary fuel source. The only time we shut ours down in Afghanistan was for weekly service (oil change, air filter blow-out, fuel filter).

If you have a farm co-op around you, aska bout placing a 250 gallon tank to run a gen off of.
 
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Some of the newer inverter generators (Honda) will throttle up and down with load so you will use less fuel when just running lights...

If you will run alot, consider a diesel for longevity. Some of the older miltary sets aren't too badly priced if you can find them and will run for weeks on end.

1. Inverter generators get very expensive for higher current loads... They are nice, but you pay for that niceness! Probalby not feasible to run either a compressor or a welder on an inverter generator, at least IMHO!

2. Military generators have shot up in price greatly. They are now in high demand. However, they are built like brick sh?t houses, will run all day, every day, without a worry, have fantastic overload capabilities, and some are quiet. I have a MEP-004 rated at 15 KW which will do about 20 KW full time, and a bit more for short periods. It has a noise reducing enclosure so it is not too noisy, and is mounted on a trailer. Total weight is about 7,000 lb, it is not a light weight toy from Home Depot. Regardless of load it burns about a gallon an hour, plus up to an additional half gallon when loaded (we typically burn between 1 and 1.5 gallons using it as we don't load it heavily.)

Careful there. Most military generators aren't 60hz, and most are 3 phase anyway.
They're great units, but not too efficient, and not too compatible with civilian tools.
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There is a vast array of military surplus generators, some are single phase, some three. Three phase can be used for most applications by using two of the phases in a 120/208 volt configuration. Most are 60 Hz, some are 400. Avoid the 400 Hz units, they cannot be converted to 60 Hz without considerable expense.

All the military generators produce excellent power, generally clean and reliable. They are designed to emulate standard AC power sources, are usually intended to power electronic devices (radios and radar sets, for example) and do very well running tools and equipment in the typical shop.

Efficiency is good for the diesel units... There is not enough difference between a commercial diesel generator and a military generator to really say which is more efficient. Down side is that they usually don't have auto-start, so fully automatic backup systems are a bit more difficult to design.

There are many, many great threads on SteelSoldiers.com (the aux equipment section) and I'd recommend anyone considering a military generator go there and research. And anyone who is in New England is welcome to stop by and take a look at my setup, and have a chance to touch-n-feel a big military generator set.
 
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jeepjunky

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The bunker is in the middle of a corn field that is priavatly owned. The bunker is also rented to me. Thus I want to buy a generator to run extension cords, but I dont know what size/ kind to get
 

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While deployed, we used a 5k generator to run our shop. It ran lights and heat. Unless you are going to be running constant welding equipment, a 5k would take care of most power needs. If come across a 10k, that would work well. If you go over a 10k, then it will be overkill, but that isn't a bad thing either.
 

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Sorry, off topic a bit. Why are people building bunker garages ? Are they popular just in tornado country or are they getting built to hide from the wife or the BIL when they want ? :)
 

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1. Inverter generators get very expensive for higher current loads... They are nice, but you pay for that niceness! Probalby not feasible to run either a compressor or a welder on an inverter generator, at least IMHO!
Correct !

This is why you buy a small inverter generator (1KW - 2.5KW) and use that for lights, fans, hand held power tools, etc and when you move up to a compressor or welder get a big one.

If you are really serious about being "off the grid", look or a used engine drive Lincoln or Miller welder. They show up on CL all of the time and have 240V outlets that will run a fair size compressor.

If you are planning on staying there for a few days, look into buying an LP refrigerator and stove. Most natural gas stoves are easy to convert to LP. You will have to do some shopping for an LP 'fridge, but they do exist.

Of course you will need at least a 250 gallon tank, but your local propane place will help you out. You can even convert the welder over to LP.
 

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Thus I want to buy a generator to run extension cords, but I dont know what size/ kind to get

You can't go wrong with a Honda EU2000i. The Yamaha EF2400iSHC or EF2800i are nice if you need some extra power (window A/C).

As for extension cords, stick with 12/3 SJOOW or SOOW. Expect to pay from $0.80-$1.50/foot. Shop eBay.
 
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jeepjunky

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Sorry, off topic a bit. Why are people building bunker garages ? Are they popular just in tornado country or are they getting built to hide from the wife or the BIL when they want ? :)

They are Army Surplus...Dirt Cheep at 30x60 thats 1800 square feet at $54 a mo thats $.03 a square foot a mo.
Ive been getting bids on building a 12x22 addition with a driveway and parking pad. Concrete is over $14,000.
The fact that Im 5 miles from home...well thats just a BONUS:lol_hitti
 
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