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Been a while since I last posted (been working my **** off). So I find myself in a dilemma over Inverter Generators. My first inclination is to buy a Yamaha 3000. On sale right now for $2000 (can) which is a steal. However in researching I have found many Chinese built ones that actually have great reviews. The one that stands out is the Champion 3100. Lots and lots of people have only great things to say about these generators. I am also open to other makes. Just want best value here. I fully intend on keeping this for the next 20 years but really will only use it for camping and the odd time electricity goes out in the house. Also not opposed to other models....
 
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The Yamaha ISEB 3000 is a terrific generator. Very quiet for campground use. Only downside is weight. It's a two person affair to load, about 130# if I recall. We have owned ours for nearly a decade.
 

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I would say you will not get near the same performance or longevity from a Champion than a Yamaha or Honda. It won't be as quiet, and it won't last as long. Initially you might be pleased you saved a lot of money. In 5 years you will not be so happy with saving a lot of money.
 

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yamaha or honda if you want it to just work and work forever. If you only plan on using it sparsely a champion or chinese one is ok.

FWIW the yamaha and honda will be MUCH quieter than anything else.
 

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yamaha or honda if you want it to just work and work forever. If you only plan on using it sparsely a champion or chinese one is ok.

FWIW the yamaha and honda will be MUCH quieter than anything else.

Honda's are also made in China, and India.
 

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Honda's are also made in China, and India.



Yep but remember you can specify they build it to x y specs. The cheap Chinese ones are cheap for a reason and use inferior components in some cases
 

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Honda and Yamaha are the kings of quality low maintenance portables, which is why they command the price they do. The Champion and Generac Chinese made air cooled stuff can be hit or miss. I've had them come in the shop with the rings out with under 20 hours of runtime, puking crank seals, or throwing a rod within a year, but also one customer with 1500 hours on a 6kW EcoGen (which is a lot).

Another great option for portables is Winco. Built in the USA with Honda or Briggs engines depending on model, and Italian made cap-regulated generators. Excellent generators built by an excellent company.
http://www.wincogen.com/home.php
 
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Honda's are also made in China, and India.

I did not know that. That being said, Hondas have a proven track record of dependability. This leads into my dilemma though. Those Champions are getting reviews from people who use them regularly for the last 5-6 years (as snow birds) and seem to be loving them. Also many people saying Champion customer service has been excellent. Now don't get me wrong here, I am not trying to cheap out and am fully willing to drop $2000 on the Yamaha. That being said, after looking at Amazon, I am beginning to wonder how big (if any) of a quality difference there is between these units. Am I just paying for the Yamaha name?
 
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Honda and Yamaha are the kings of quality low maintenance portables, which is why they command the price they do. The Champion and Generac Chinese made air cooled stuff can be hit or miss. I've had them come in the shop with the rings out with under 20 hours of runtime, puking crank seals, or throwing a rod within a year, but also one customer with 15K hours on a 6kW EcoGen.

Another great option for portables is Winco. Built in the USA with Honda or Briggs engines depending on model, and Italian made cap-regulated generators. Excellent generators built by an excellent company.
http://www.wincogen.com/home.php

Would totally be into this if they had one that was a inverter....
 

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I've had my little Honda EU1000 for I'm not dead certain but probably 15yrs now. That thing is beyond reliable. It used to start on the first or second pull but now it might take 5 :p. I'd have a hard time not buying either a Honda or Yamaha if I were looking for a true inverter output and extreme noise attenuation.
 
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I've had my little Honda EU1000 for I'm not dead certain but probably 15yrs now. That thing is beyond reliable. It used to start on the first or second pull but now it might take 5 :p. I'd have a hard time not buying either a Honda or Yamaha if I were looking for a true inverter output and extreme noise attenuation.

That is exactly why Yamaha is top of my list
 

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Don't overlook Champion at all.. I have a Yamaha 1000 si, and had a 2400 Yamaha.. Also have a MQ- 6000 which is one of the top standard Generators made. (Japan) One last one, a RV open frame 3500 Champion inverter.. Comparing them to a Honda 3000 inverter is not really fair, because the Champion was $515.00 Just comparing the output with my 120 volt welders,The Yellow machine works 1000 times better then using my friends Honda 3000. Honda is a weak unit even at sea level .The Champion will output over 30 amps @ 4000 ft I live at. Good support at Champion for sure.. It weighs 80 pounds, and the Honda weighs in at 130 or so.. If you want real good power output in a lighter package, get a Champion. Yes I like the Built quality of the Honda, but just would not get the job done. One thing Champion is making it's 2000 watt unit capable of linking uo with any of it's larger inverter.. Don't have to own the same model to link.. Very cool setup, and leaves the big boys way behind there..
 

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After seeing hundreds of Honda's, Yamaha's, and Champions come thru our store I would still buy the Honda or Yamaha with longevity in mind.

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My feeling on generators is this - let your frequency of use determine how much you wanna spend. By all means, if you have the money and don't mind spending it, get the best u can. That said, if it's gonna sit around for a year or two and NOT be used, then there's no need to buy an super expensive model.
Personally, I dont abide by the "get a good one so it'll work when u need it to", cause gas goes bad and carbs clog, and pull strings break just as easily on a Honda as it will for a champion. And yes, I've had a Honda at work that I barely used, wouldn't start, had the pull string break, and needed a total carb rebuild for a machine less than 3 years old with hardly any time on it.

I'd buy a $400 or $700 machine. It'll work fine. If the carb gets fucked, u buy a whole new carb for $30 and it'll run like new. Read the reviews of the smaller HF generators. People who actually own them sware by them, and parts are readily available online. Even portable generacs use Chinese motors from Lifan I believe. You dont see people buying new lawn mowers every 3 years do you? Almost anything that has an engine these days has import Honda clone engines. Even utility companies buy champion generators for emergencies. My location at Verizon bought about 5 Honda's and 10 champion generators after Sandy.

Yes - a Honda or Yamaha IS better. But those machines are built with frequent, commercial use in mind, and alot of the cost is a result of their R&D to make them run a little more quiet. If you live in the middle of Alaska and your livelyhood depends on the machine, yes, buy a Honda or Yamaha.

If u wanted to buy a pick up truck that you'd only use a few times a year, would u feel it was necessary to buy a brand new f350 powerstroke for $70,000 so it could sit around not being used? Anyway, that's my feeling, people's opinions will differ though. Only u can make the best educated decision.

Another thing to consider is this, generators that are cheap to buy, are also cheap to fix. If a $400 HF needed $150 in parts 10 years down the road, I'd happily go buy another for $400. I have a 30? Year old Yamaha snow thrower. Thing still runs great, but the day it dies I'll be fucked cause it's impossible to find parts for, and used parts can cost half as much as I paid for the thing when I bought it a few years ago.

Another model I would personally consider, is that Bluetooth Ryobi model home Depot sells. Check it out online. I believe you can monitor output and fuel level from your phone. I dont think it's a 3000 watt unit though, but it comes with a nice extending handle and wheels on the back to move it around easy.
 
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I did not know that. That being said, Hondas have a proven track record of dependability. This leads into my dilemma though. Those Champions are getting reviews from people who use them regularly for the last 5-6 years (as snow birds) and seem to be loving them. Also many people saying Champion customer service has been excellent. Now don't get me wrong here, I am not trying to cheap out and am fully willing to drop $2000 on the Yamaha. That being said, after looking at Amazon, I am beginning to wonder how big (if any) of a quality difference there is between these units. Am I just paying for the Yamaha name?

In My Humble Opinion, both Honda and Yamaha are commanding a lot of money for their NAME !

The only other brand that has built some reputation is Champion and, for my money, that is what I would buy. In 5+ years, maybe one of the new HF units, but not today.


FYI, the Honda EU3000is DOES have a weak spot ! If you are going to operate it at temps below about 10F, switch to 0W20 or 0W30 synthetic. Not in the owners manual, but using their recommended oil does NOT make the generator happy. I would NOT switch back until outside temps were consistently above 30F.
 

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The only way a carb gets wrecked is leaving the bowl full of gas. I have tons and tons of machines with carbs, no issues ever. Cause when Im done I drain or run it out all the gas from the entire thing. My pos chinese genny I nabbed for 100 bucks (it fell off a truck, literally) has no issues for eons. But I do have a nice honda inverter genny as well.
 

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... If the carb gets fucked, u buy a whole new carb for $30 and it'll run like new.

Repairing small engine is a hobby of mine. (I did 4 carburetor cleanings in 5 days last week.) Most of what I see are older B&S engine (Quantum), including ones for the 1960s and 70s (5hp horizontal shaft with pulsa jet carburetors). Most of the time, if I am careful disassembling the carburetor, I can clean it and reassemble it with no new parts (one last week need a new needle valve seat, very unusual). Very seldom do I have to soak them or do anything except disassemble, check passages with fine wire and spray and reassemble.

And all you E10 haters, that is all that every small engine in my extended family has used since E10 became available. I would use E00 if I could find it, but it pretty much is NON-EXISTANT near my house. 2 of those repairs last week were do to "foreign bodies" in the fuel (one causing a stall/no start, the other, unstable idle), but really this has occurred less than a handful of time since using E10.
 

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The only way a carb gets wrecked is leaving the bowl full of gas. I have tons and tons of machines with carbs, no issues ever. Cause when Im done I drain or run it out all the gas from the entire thing. My pos chinese genny I nabbed for 100 bucks (it fell off a truck, literally) has no issues for eons. But I do have a nice honda inverter genny as well.

This is not entirely true. If the machine is worked around a dirty environment, or if just the gas can is, a grain of sand or a piece or dirt will easily make short work of a carb, esp when there are no real filters for the fuel. Ever replace a fuel tank on a 20+ year old truck? The bottoms of the tanks are littered with **** so bad it's amazing half the pumps can even **** up fuel.. and that's all with gas straight from the pump.

Not to mention, machines used in REAL commercial applications are not having their fuel tanks drained until the next use as "a precaution" . Fuel gets dumped into the tank, and the machine can sit for a day or for 6 months before it's used again. They get used until they stop working, and then they get fixed. Nobody is babying a single piece of equipment in the real world on construction sites, especially when those sites can change day to day. People can call it neglect, but that's That's just how it is.

Not to mention, these small "ultra quiet" units that are encased in plastic. Nobody is gonna take that thing apart to drain a carb. Half the people that buy these things are lucky they can figure out where to plug the extension cord in.
 
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I just worked for about eight hours next to a champion 3100. It's way louder than my Honda. That would be a consideration for me. I don't know if it is for you.
 

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Repairing small engine is a hobby of mine. (I did 4 carburetor cleanings in 5 days last week.) Most of what I see are older B&S engine (Quantum), including ones for the 1960s and 70s (5hp horizontal shaft with pulsa jet carburetors). Most of the time, if I am careful disassembling the carburetor, I can clean it and reassemble it with no new parts (one last week need a new needle valve seat, very unusual). Very seldom do I have to soak them or do anything except disassemble, check passages with fine wire and spray and reassemble.

And all you E10 haters, that is all that every small engine in my extended family has used since E10 became available. I would use E00 if I could find it, but it pretty much is NON-EXISTANT near my house. 2 of those repairs last week were do to "foreign bodies" in the fuel (one causing a stall/no start, the other, unstable idle), but really this has occurred less than a handful of time since using E10.


I understand this as well, but today, I can go online and buy a factory rebuild kit for $15 or so, or I can buy a brand new carb direct from Briggs for $30, and have the engine running like new without any aggravation or chance that something wasn't cleaned or adjusted right after a rebuild. It's the same reason mechanics replace parts instead of rebuilding. Some things just aren't worth the time and effort cause trying to save $15 can wind up costing you 3 hours of aggravation. Honestly, for me, it's worth replacing the entire carb just to make sure something the size of a needle doesn't get dropped and lost on the ground pretty much guaranteeing a bad day. I just want my stuff to work again, I get no enjoyment of wasting time anymore.


Anyway - OP , this is Ryobi I was referring to. Probably smaller than what you're looking for, but might be a more appropriate size and sound level for camping. It'll probably do the necessities for the house though. What's nice too is you can parallel them also, so you could conceivably buy two for the house, and just take one with you to go camping. What's up with people camping with generators anyway???

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Ryobi-Bl...gital-Inverter-Generator-RYI2300BTA/300347426
 
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I just worked for about eight hours next to a champion 3100. It's way louder than my Honda. That would be a consideration for me. I don't know if it is for you.

That is good to know too. I think I have convinced myself to go the Yamaha way
 

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I have a Honda EU2000i and have no complaints. Used it quite a few times over the past couple years and it's worked great.
 

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Recommendations on quiet 120/240 volt units at least 2000 watts but willing to go larger. I like the idea of the inverter style but you have to get a really large unit to go 240 volt.

I want to be able to connect to my house and allow lights and fans to be used as normal by the wife and kids and keep the refrigerator running. I have a 5 ton AC unit, so no way to run that off a regular portable generator. I have a manual transfer switch on the house for generator use.
 

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Recommendations on quiet 120/240 volt units at least 2000 watts but willing to go larger. I like the idea of the inverter style but you have to get a really large unit to go 240 volt.

I want to be able to connect to my house and allow lights and fans to be used as normal by the wife and kids and keep the refrigerator running. I have a 5 ton AC unit, so no way to run that off a regular portable generator. I have a manual transfer switch on the house for generator use.

Google "Generator Sizing Chart", most companies have an interactive setup to calculate how many kW you'll need by square footage and what you want to run.
Are you looking for recommendations on a portable, or a dedicated home standby setup? 2-3kW is a hand held and won't run much outside of a smaller RV. The inverter units get pricey FAST when going up in size, while non-inverter open portables are not going to be quiet at 3600 rpm. A dedicated home standby will be quiet (in comparison), but not portable unless mounted on a trailer with a plug and play setup and fuel source.
 

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Recommendations on quiet 120/240 volt units at least 2000 watts but willing to go larger. I like the idea of the inverter style but you have to get a really large unit to go 240 volt.

I want to be able to connect to my house and allow lights and fans to be used as normal by the wife and kids and keep the refrigerator running. I have a 5 ton AC unit, so no way to run that off a regular portable generator. I have a manual transfer switch on the house for generator use.

I found this Briggs model and have been doing some research. The tests I've seen show it to be considerably louder than the Honda and Yamaha versions, but it's still much quieter than the construction generators.

I currently have a Yamaha 3000. I need a 240V inverter myself. I think I'll be going with the Honda EU7000is.
 

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Portable, I don't have fuel on property (LP or NG) so the whole house units come with an additional expense of a tank and rental. We've had less than 3 days of outages in the last 20 years, but after seeing the neighbors who were without power for 7+ days, doing my research on a solution.
 

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I found this Briggs model and have been doing some research. The tests I've seen show it to be considerably louder than the Honda and Yamaha versions, but it's still much quieter than the construction generators.

I currently have a Yamaha 3000. I need a 240V inverter myself. I think I'll be going with the Honda EU7000is.

I just purchased an FI EU7000is last week for work, other than cost it would suit my needs, just looking to see the other options before spending 4K on something I hope to never use.
 

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I just purchased an FI EU7000is last week for work, other than cost it would suit my needs, just looking to see the other options before spending 4K on something I hope to never use.

The cheapest price I've been able to find for the EU7000 is $3,900. That's a final price delivered to my house. Were you able to beat that?
 

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I just purchased an FI EU7000is last week for work,
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That is a very BIG portable generator. You had better actually test it to see if it will start your 5 ton AC unit.

Also, at full load, that thing drinks about 20 GALLONS A DAY ! Better buy a lot of gas can and have a safe place to store them. And don't forget to rotate your stock.
 
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Don't overlook Champion at all.. I have a Yamaha 1000 si, and had a 2400 Yamaha.. Also have a MQ- 6000 which is one of the top standard Generators made. (Japan) One last one, a RV open frame 3500 Champion inverter.. Comparing them to a Honda 3000 inverter is not really fair, because the Champion was $515.00 Just comparing the output with my 120 volt welders,The Yellow machine works 1000 times better then using my friends Honda 3000. Honda is a weak unit even at sea level .The Champion will output over 30 amps @ 4000 ft I live at. Good support at Champion for sure.. It weighs 80 pounds, and the Honda weighs in at 130 or so.. If you want real good power output in a lighter package, get a Champion. Yes I like the Built quality of the Honda, but just would not get the job done. One thing Champion is making it's 2000 watt unit capable of linking uo with any of it's larger inverter.. Don't have to own the same model to link.. Very cool setup, and leaves the big boys way behind there..


I have been looking at the Champion Hybrid 3500w inverter for camping... You like it?

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The cheapest price I've been able to find for the EU7000 is $3,900. That's a final price delivered to my house. Were you able to beat that?

no, we paid a little more than that shipped. It is for work, not my house, so not concerned with the AC, mainly for computers and IT equipment.

I would not even try my 5 ton AC on a 7K generator, I figure I need a 20kw generator to run the AC with inrush current requirements.
 

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If I have an emergency and need a generator, I could care less how loud it is. I want something that will provide the power I need.
 

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no, we paid a little more than that shipped. It is for work, not my house, so not concerned with the AC, mainly for computers and IT equipment.

I would not even try my 5 ton AC on a 7K generator, I figure I need a 20kw generator to run the AC with inrush current requirements.

My expensive plan is to use the EU7000 and add a small mini split to one of our rooms. It's annoying to install and remove a window unit, and a mini split isn't that much more expensive. I just installed two of them in the shop I'm building, and they're not difficult. The EU would have no problem running my house with the central a/c off plus the additional mini split.

My cheap plan is very similar but to only use a 120V generator. I could feed both legs of my house, but I couldn't use the 240V equipment. I would have to rewire my well pump to 120V for this to work.

Maybe I'll just go with the Briggs Q6500. It's not as nice as the EU, but it's only $1500.
 

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If I have an emergency and need a generator, I could care less how loud it is. I want something that will provide the power I need.
After 7 days, the noise is getting old...

My main reason for wanting an inverter style is the reduced fuel consumption. If you're only using the generator for the occasional power outage, that's probably not important to you. However, I use my generator often enough that it makes sense.
 

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That is a very BIG portable generator. You had better actually test it to see if it will start you 5 ton AC unit.

Also, at full load, that thing drinks about 20 GALLONS A DAY ! Better buy a lot of gas can and have a safe place to store them. And don't forget to rotate your stock.

Agreed, that is why I was looking for a smaller unit, I keep 50 gallons of diesel in my 2 trucks, but I haven't seen anything good for small diesel generators.
 

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My cheap plan is very similar but to only use a 120V generator. I could feed both legs of my house, but I couldn't use the 240V equipment. I would have to rewire my well pump to 120V for this to work.

Maybe I'll just go with the Briggs Q6500. It's not as nice as the EU, but it's only $1500.

I don't like the idea of running both sides of the house off the same 120 volt, so that is why I am looking for more reviews on the Q6500 from people who have a year or so of real use on the units. Agreed with 7 days of generator power the noise gets old QUICK.
 

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... but today, I can go online and buy a factory rebuild kit for $15 or so, or I can buy a brand new carb direct from Briggs for $30, and have the engine running like new without any aggravation ...

I can't argue with that logic. I guess the point I was really trying to make, if you don't tear any gaskets, you usually don't need to replace ANYTHING. (That needle seat I replaced was the first one I have seen that was bad. I think someone else screwed it up.) Sure, for a rookie, a thorough carburetor clean can be daunting. For carbs I am familiar with, from removal to restart is about 30 minutes, depending hope much crud I find in the tank. Zero $ in parts, except for the carburetor cleaner.
 
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