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Xcursion88

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Yeah, the guys are likely not hourly, so that excuse doesnt work. They shop isnt paying those guys a penny unless they're producing.

Even if they were hourly, god forbid they use 15min to manage their subsidy of the shop who somehow is unable to provide tools and equipment. The shop can blow me if they're complaining about me looking up a special tool on amazon to buy out of my own pocket - tool truck is the same deal.
Hourly or flat rate...the shop isn't making anything if people are standing around a truck, on a phone, etc.
If they put a top wrench on flat rate they expect they'll be done ahead of book and moving to the next job. Everyone wins. Nobody wins standing around or dragging their feet.
Nobody benefits from that
 
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As to not knowing when the truck is there, my drivers were like clockwork. Usually within 1hr each week.

Some shops have them come at breaktimes only but Ive never had that happen to me at any shops Ive worked at. Being in HD I guess my employers didnt sweat the 15min truck trip. I guess its pretty hard to fix anything when you got broken tools , so its in the shops own interests.

Usually the driver would walk through, usually to "remind" guys that min. payment is due lol. And to hand out flyers
 

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So I started at a new dealer recently. The snap on guy comes by once in a while. Other times he parks his truck outside and waits for you to show up. Haven’t seen him much,

The Matco guy stops by every week and has yet to say hello or introduce himself. It’s either he’s making too much money and doesn’t care about another sale or he’s a terrible salesman and social dropout. Maybe it’s my resting ***** face that scares him away???

Then the MAC guy comes by really sheepishly not impressing me with anything he’s carrying in his little tote bag of tools.


Maybe if I need something I’ll just order it direct from Snap on or Matco. I’ve done it before in the past and the price is the same online as I would have got off the truck. For warranty, just ship them the broken one and they ship back a new one. Turn around time is relatively quick.

Just cut out the middleman all entirety. I’ve had some great tool dealers in the past, but lately this group isn’t getting it done. I’m not begging anyone to take my money for expensive overpriced tools, without them at least introducing themselves first. But after a month and a half that time has come and gone. He’s seen me working there banging on stuff and making noise. So this tool truck guy is dead to me. He doesn’t exist to me. It’s as easy as that.
I thought it was standard practice to run the other way when he shows up.
 

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When you work in a shop that works multiple shifts over 24 hours, over 30 mechanics on the floor at one time per shift and in a building the size of football stadium, how the hell do you know when the tool guy is there. And we have had some lazy ones over the years, and then they complain the loudest about not wanting to stop there because the building is too big or guys aren't there to collect, etc.... I have been there done exactly what you are saying several times over the years.

2 snap on guys ago, this guy would walk into the build and hang out by the guys he really liked and then leave. I couldn't stand this guy. His prices were over list and he never had anything on his truck. "I have to order it" was his line, and when your a tool truck servicing a heavy equipment / truck / bus / auto shop with 100+mechanics you need to stock as much as you can and as big as you can. Some tool guys get it and some are lost.
Prices over list? Sorry. Calling BS
SO has a good business model and protects other franchises with a MAP.
Hence you can't buy on their site cheaper than a truck and vice versa.

Your SO guy might have been lazy and didn't care but charging whatever prices for whatever is a great way to lose a franchise.
 

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Well yeah. Guys will say, snap on didn't show up today? Someone will say they saw him parked outside while they were on a road test. Hard to catch him when he's there for 5 minutes and drives off. But I'm not running out there begging him to take my money. They need to work for it a little.
Curious, are you female?! 😉
 

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This thread is hilarious. Some serious fan boys and people who don't understand sales all in one. If a guy in sales isn't out hustling sales then they're in the wrong career, period.

Also what's with the people calling bs on other members stories because they had a different experience with different people? I have thick skin and could care less but I thought this was supposed to be a forum for people who enjoy tools not for elites to look down on people.
 

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It took me a while to realize that Tool Truck Operators are running a business and don't want to waste their time with those who are not going to spend money with them. It is all about "Turning the Inventory". If you are not contributing to the tool salesman's profits why should the truck operator spend time with you?
 

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This thread is hilarious. Some serious fan boys and people who don't understand sales all in one. If a guy in sales isn't out hustling sales then they're in the wrong career, period.

Couldn't agree more. Said the same thing a couple dozen posts ago on page 1.

Also what's with the people calling bs on other members stories because they had a different experience with different people? I have thick skin and could care less but I thought this was supposed to be a forum for people who enjoy tools not for elites to look down on people.

I don't think it's elites looking down so much as trolls just doing what they do. For many of them, the only contribution they have or ever will make is to tear down other members. They can't conceive that on a discussion forum other people could hold differing opinions to theirs, and they often behave accordingly.
 

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Our guy comes inside. Hands out the flyers and will talk for awhile with various people then head to the truck and if you don’t need anything he will say no worries would you like to make a payment today? If you need something you go to the truck or he can send it in with someone if you are busy. When I was the new guy in the shop he seen my Snap-on hat and said hey nice hat here is a flyer if you are interested in anything. I bought a ratchet and a three pack of pliers my first time on the truck and I got a good deal. It all varies by dealer. He is typically there about an hour and a half. 4:30-6pm on Tuesday occasionally he would show up on a Monday he used to do Thursday at 12 but that’s lunch for everyone. At my old shop Matco guy was the same way he was cool and would hand out stuff all the time. The things you describe always happen on any Mac truck or dealer that I’ve dealt with.
 

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Hourly or flat rate...the shop isn't making anything if people are standing around a truck, on a phone, etc.
If they put a top wrench on flat rate they expect they'll be done ahead of book and moving to the next job. Everyone wins. Nobody wins standing around or dragging their feet.
Nobody benefits from that

If the shop wants it done faster without the 15-30min MAX per week of downtime (generous), they can supply the tools and it's a non issue. The oh so virtuous job-creator can spend 100k of his cash on tools, problem solved. Well, 100k should outfit one master tech fairly well, not counting duplicate tools for all the other techs. I don't understand this argument at all. I'm expected to supply 100% of all tooling and some consumables out of my own wages. Including the specialty tools for one-off jobs? AND also deal with procurement, warranty, and updating for free on my personal time? And I pay for all the training materials and courses? Which I'm not reimbursed for, which I use/study in my free time?

Blow me. Don't like it, fire me. Find someone else who will do this garbage, feel free. LMAO I'll take my trans jack, engine crane and stands, scan tools and scopes, and 30' of tool storage somewhere else. LOL

This isn't about dragging feet or hanging out in the bathroom. Tools are literally my job. When I'm making test leads, fabing new tools, or buying new tools - I'm literally doing business related things. How is going on amazon to buy the tool to do the timing job next week not business related? I'm buying it with my money, to fix the car so the shop can get paid and give me a fraction. Funny, I never have anyone offer to chip in on labtop parts, scan tool updates, or wrenches. You'd think since this would improve my efficiency, the shop would be dying to get me that new tough book.....


EDIT: Not meant as a personal attack. It's just my standard line anytime someone complains at work. Replace me then. Don't like it, I can leave right now. Oh wait, your entire business collapses then. Shucks, guess we'll have to work together.
 
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No offense but... this younger generation is doomed.

I would have been the first to great every driver when they arrived at a new shop to introduce myself and let them know things I may be looking at in the future. Maybe let them know my brand loyalties for certain types of tools etc.

I probably would have brought them a donut too.
 

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I thought it was standard practice to run the other way when he shows up.

I never got this mind set. Just pay the man. When they do same-as-cash deals on financing, I just give them $1000/week until it's paid off. If it's truck account I basically just pay in full. Although I will occasionally spread out half and half, been thinking I might as well take advantage of the "free" financing since it's built into the price anyways. On the flip side, if it's like $300 just pay it outright. I only buy things I can buy in cash (duh), so breaking the payments out over 4 weeks doesn't really do anything when the credit card gets paid at the end of the month.
 

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I will say the one big issues trucks like snap and the likes have is that the pricing is a bit high. if the tools, just general tools-not specialized fancy stuff was a bit cheaper people would spend more.
 

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Apologies Gatewaysyop, didn't read your post carefully enough.

No offense but... this younger generation is doomed.

I would have been the first to great every driver when they arrived at a new shop to introduce myself and let them know things I may be looking at in the future. Maybe let them know my brand loyalties for certain types of tools etc.

I probably would have brought them a donut too.
Why wouldn't the younger generation take offense to this statement? The dealer is a business, their not doing me a favor letting me buy from them. Do you thank your internet provider or car insurance?

If the dealer is personable, I'm all for being friendly and building a relationship with them, win win. If they just roll up, and I'm buried in a project, I'm not going to keep checking outside to see if they've shown up at their usual time plus or minus 30 minutes
 

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Apologies Gatewaysyop, didn't read your post carefully enough.


Why wouldn't the younger generation take offense to this statement? The dealer is a business, their not doing me a favor letting me buy from them. Do you thank your internet provider or car insurance?

If the dealer is personable, I'm all for being friendly and building a relationship with them, win win. If they just roll up, and I'm buried in a project, I'm not going to keep checking outside to see if they've shown up at their usual time plus or minus 30 minutes

If I speak with them, yes. I thank my tool dealer every time I see him. I appreciate him and his business. He thanks me as well and tells me how much he appreciates my patronage.

I thank the cashier, the waiter/waitress, the movie-ticket seller, the delivery guy, the lady who brings the mail.... Hell I thank someone who returns something they borrowed. It's just a common way of ending a transaction. Although I have a good relationship with my tool dealers and I do legitimately appreciate them and the service they provide.
 

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Apologies Gatewaysyop, didn't read your post carefully enough.


Why wouldn't the younger generation take offense to this statement? The dealer is a business, their not doing me a favor letting me buy from them. Do you thank your internet provider or car insurance?

If the dealer is personable, I'm all for being friendly and building a relationship with them, win win. If they just roll up, and I'm buried in a project, I'm not going to keep checking outside to see if they've shown up at their usual time plus or minus 30 minutes
If my customers can't be bothered... I won't bother with them.
 

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Anywhere I worked the SO driver would take a walk through the shop and at least say hi, may it known he was there. At that point you knew he was there and you had a half hour to get out to the truck. He also carried around the "tool of the day". And I could also set my watch by he when he would show up. Always the same time of day, the same day of the week. Rarely he was late and generally not more than a few minutes.

To the OP, does other guys go out to the truck? He might not come in because he doesn't get a chance too. I have seen trucks pull up and guys practiacally running out to meet him before the truck stops rolling, then he has a constant flow of guys through the truck and next thing you know he has to move on.

Also, perhaps the shop management does not want him in the shop. I have seen that happen too.
 
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If the shop wants it done faster without the 15-30min MAX per week of downtime (generous), they can supply the tools and it's a non issue. The oh so virtuous job-creator can spend 100k of his cash on tools, problem solved. Well, 100k should outfit one master tech fairly well, not counting duplicate tools for all the other techs. I don't understand this argument at all. I'm expected to supply 100% of all tooling and some consumables out of my own wages. Including the specialty tools for one-off jobs? AND also deal with procurement, warranty, and updating for free on my personal time? And I pay for all the training materials and courses? Which I'm not reimbursed for, which I use/study in my free time?

Blow me. Don't like it, fire me. Find someone else who will do this garbage, feel free. LMAO I'll take my trans jack, engine crane and stands, scan tools and scopes, and 30' of tool storage somewhere else. LOL

This isn't about dragging feet or hanging out in the bathroom. Tools are literally my job. When I'm making test leads, fabing new tools, or buying new tools - I'm literally doing business related things. How is going on amazon to buy the tool to do the timing job next week not business related? I'm buying it with my money, to fix the car so the shop can get paid and give me a fraction. Funny, I never have anyone offer to chip in on labtop parts, scan tool updates, or wrenches. You'd think since this would improve my efficiency, the shop would be dying to get me that new tough book.....


EDIT: Not meant as a personal attack. It's just my standard line anytime someone complains at work. Replace me then. Don't like it, I can leave right now. Oh wait, your entire business collapses then. Shucks, guess we'll have to work together.
After coming back from never never land after reading this nonsense...

It's simply a matter that some dealerships allocate x amount of time for the truck. An approximate time of an exact day. Some only allow during break time. It's their ******** prerogative now isn't it.
Every shop works it differently. If their name is on the building they have every right to dictate how much time to allow truck interaction, and when, no matter the size of medal you tote around or looking for the right chest to pin it on.

Your egotistical attitude is pretty ridiculous but your tool truck terminology is a tad mystifying.
"Same as cash" financing..LOL...it isn't furniture. If the truck rep finances it's always just their MAP. Always. And whatever he and the customer verbally agree to weekly or biweekly. Thats it.
Any rogue discounts will get a franchise withdrawn in lightning fast fashion.
It's a protected proven business model that's worked a long time.

The whole point to this was the OP just can't seem to understand why the truck reps aren't kissing his *** to buy...and well...he'll show them!!!
Good lord start a ******* convo with them and buy ****. Pay them...buy more ****.

It's thay simple.
 

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After coming back from never never land after reading this nonsense...

It's simply a matter that some dealerships allocate x amount of time for the truck. An approximate time of an exact day. Some only allow during break time. It's their ******** prerogative now isn't it.
Every shop works it differently. If their name is on the building they have every right to dictate how much time to allow truck interaction, and when, no matter the size of medal you tote around or looking for the right chest to pin it on.

Your egotistical attitude is pretty ridiculous but your tool truck terminology is a tad mystifying.
"Same as cash" financing..LOL...it isn't furniture. If the truck rep finances it's always just their MAP. Always. And whatever he and the customer verbally agree to weekly or biweekly. Thats it.
Any rogue discounts will get a franchise withdrawn in lightning fast fashion.
It's a protected proven business model that's worked a long time.

The whole point to this was the OP just can't seem to understand why the truck reps aren't kissing his *** to buy...and well...he'll show them!!!
Good lord start a ******* convo with them and buy ****. Pay them...buy more ****.

It's thay simple.

It's literally same as cash financing, not talking about a truck account, that's a different thing. A hard pull on your credit, 60 days same as cash is a regular promo, it's reported on your credit report. Truck accounts with their floating payments are a handshake deal, if you buy 10k in product on one go you sign actual paperwork and -can- pay interest, if you take long enough to pay or use the whole loan term. Interest rates **** ***, so obviously I wouldn't recommend. Like I said, I'll run $1000/week for emergency cash-flow protection, I don't buy anything I can't afford outright. Really wish I would have saved the flier SO mailed to my home offering financing options and same-as-cash and rebates. The fliers/stickers/posters are all over the trucks. If there are serial numbers in place, very few dealers will sell those items without legal paperwork in place.


Buy the tools, you can tell me how to use them. I'm buying the tools out of my wages to make the shop money. I can fix cars without a shop, a front counter can't fix cars without a tech. IMO it's not their prerogative. Obviously if luber-goober is camped out in a tool truck for a hour that's an issue. I spend 5min or less. Don't like it? Schedule another waterpump then. My time gets wasted like it's going out of style, they can eat 5min. Front desk will happily schedule "eversince you did my front struts my rear brakes squeak in the morning", so I don't buy that they're so time sensitive. Just my experience.



I will 100% agree with you, OP aught to introduce himself if he wants what is being sold.
 

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I have been buying and using tools for a very long time, but after many decades, there are not a lot of tools I need that I don't already have. As a young hobby mechanic working on motorcycles and sports cars, I just didn't have the money to buy M/SO off of a truck. A few years in I worked as HD and MD truck mech and the railroad shop provided everything except small hand tools - that I already had. Tool truck never came around, I didn't go looking for it. Then I moved over to a VW shop and the local Mac truck (small university town near a military base) was at the dealership as regular as clockwork - even though we didn't buy a lot from him. We had a few other service trucks that came in, and over a few short years they all had one thing in common - extremely cordial, friendly and helpful. Now, Mac didn't have everything I needed (of course shop provided all of the REQUIRED VW special tools) but I regarded the guy more as a friend/Father figure and came back to buy from him (500 miles, but he was on way to in-laws) for many years until he retired. When I left that store to go into the Northern bush, I had my first ever conversation with the guy who sold us welding supplies - off of a truck. He, too was there once a month, you could set your watch by him. Older guy, quiet but very polite. He came over to offer his best wishes for my future when he heard I was leaving, and I took that opportunity to ask him why, even though we only bought a bottle of gas or two a year he would come by every month and walk through the shop. He said: "Sonny (not my name, he called all of us that), if I was willing to turn my back on any of my customers for the 5 minutes it takes to be here because they didn't buy a lot, what kind of a man would I be?". Those words have stuck in my mind, clear as a bell for 50 years.

It seems that a long time ago, even going back 30 years, people did the tool truck business as a career. When I need the odd thing these days, I have to chase all over the place (probably 7 to 9 trucks around me) as the same brand seldom has the same dealer for more than a few years. The ones I encounter all seem to know what to say to make me want to believe they give a darn, but I do have to admit MOST will bend over backwards to do what they can when I need something (usually arrange a meeting point), I do really feel though that Mac and Snap On have priced themselves out of the market. I can buy equivalent to or far better tools for less these days and they are NOT made in Asia.

I have also been on the shop owner side several times. Yes, I fully realize that once the tool truck pulls in, I am not getting billable hours from the techs, but guess what? I PAY them for being what they are and that means having tools ($10k would be laughably cheap these days) to do their job. It is simply part of being a repair shop or dealership.
 

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I’ve never seen someone complain about not being able to go into debt.

Strange world.
 

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I’ve never seen someone complain about not being able to go into debt.

Strange world.
Just because you buy tools off the truck somehow you automatically go into debt. A lot of people pay in full when they buy the tools on the truck just like you would in a store.
 

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I've never understood why mechanics have to supply their own tools anyhow. It seems like the shops should have fully stocked toolboxes for each mechanic. I work in IT and we are not required to supply our own PCs and the like. I have purchased my own keyboard, but it was to replace the company supplied keyboard.
It's the perfect con really. Dealers and repair shops over decades have normalized mechanics having their own tools. It's great for the shop - they get to shift the burden of tool purchases onto the employee. They don't have to replace any broken tools, don't have to keep track of inventory, etc... Tool companies like Snap-On also indirectly push shops away from providing tools by keeping prices absurdly high and making mobile dealers their primary sales method.

I used to be in industrial maintenance in a past life, and the company provided each maintenance tech with their own toolbox filled with tools with an essentially unlimited tool budget. So each maintenance person could order whatever tools they wanted. If a tool was desperately needed, either someone would get sent out to find one and buy it, or McMaster-Carr would have it there next day at the latest. Never really had an issue with tool theft.

Super high-dollar specialty tools ($**,***), alignment fixtures, jigs, etc... usually went into shared storage in the tool crib.

System worked well, and it's not like the company had just one type of machine. Dozens of brands, many, many different models of machine all requiring different tools.
 
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Maybe the dealer thinks you're such a great worker that there is no possible way he can assist you to go even further
 

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I worked one place where the boss would only let one guy at a time go visit the truck. Within three months he figured it just wasn't worth his time to pretty much waste 2 hours at one stop.
 

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It seems to be the business model if you have to buy your own tools or not. In the middle of nowhere the tool trucks do not visit. But if you pay by the hour the business pays for the tools if you pay by the job the mechanic is stuck with their own common tools. They supply the specialty tools.

Like the railroad shop we pay our mechanics by the hour. They stay with us for years. Each person has a small chest with commonly used tools. Then shared less commonly used or specialty tools. It is what we found made our small group of mechanics the most efficient. Daily maintenance is done by the operators supported by the field service units.

We remain fussy about the tools we use and generally use lines that are not the tool truck line but not the ones sold in the big boxes. Our biggest tool purchases came from a time when our local farm supply had Wright at a very reasonable cost. Our local store did not like it when corporate dropped the line for a less expensive one. So we still purchase lines similar to that. My younger family members after watching me do the tool fling when I break a cheap one and someone has to walk down the field to get it have now moved to the but it right.
 

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So I started at a new dealer recently. The snap on guy comes by once in a while. Other times he parks his truck outside and waits for you to show up. Haven’t seen him much,

The Matco guy stops by every week and has yet to say hello or introduce himself. It’s either he’s making too much money and doesn’t care about another sale or he’s a terrible salesman and social dropout. Maybe it’s my resting ***** face that scares him away???

Then the MAC guy comes by really sheepishly not impressing me with anything he’s carrying in his little tote bag of tools.


Maybe if I need something I’ll just order it direct from Snap on or Matco. I’ve done it before in the past and the price is the same online as I would have got off the truck. For warranty, just ship them the broken one and they ship back a new one. Turn around time is relatively quick.

Just cut out the middleman all entirety. I’ve had some great tool dealers in the past, but lately this group isn’t getting it done. I’m not begging anyone to take my money for expensive overpriced tools, without them at least introducing themselves first. But after a month and a half that time has come and gone. He’s seen me working there banging on stuff and making noise. So this tool truck guy is dead to me. He doesn’t exist to me. It’s as easy as that.
start asking snap-on if they have harbor freight sockets, then tell them... well matco offers them...lol

seriously buy it online, its cheaper anyway. then you can take what ever breaks to them and they have to replace it anyway. i walk up to random snap on trucks with broken wrenches and they swap it out all the time
 

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Some of you guys should try being a farmer. You’re too catered to. I’ve dealt with 2 Snap On guys and a Matco guy. I want something I’ve got to seek out them. No big box stores in town. Just a few auto parts stores and 2 farm and home stores. You want something specific or something good you’ve got to track down the tool trucks.

The Matco guy is fine. But I’ve had to either go meet him at his house in the evening or meet him at a business on his route through town.

The old Snap On guy would go out of his way to drop things at the farm for me. He’d meet me in town anywhere.

The new Snap On guy *****. Doesn’t carry anything besides the basic stuff. Has no clue what Snap On even has to offer. The only stuff he knows about is stuff the little car guys use. You need anything heavy duty he’s lost.

But regardless not one of these guys were going to come introduce themselves and kiss my *** for business. They’ve got plenty of places to go. I don’t have a shop of 10 guys that will buy whatever the Snap On guy has so they can get a “free shirt” or whatever kind of **** he’s trying to get rid of. So I don’t get any special treatment. If you’re at a place that they show up to you, then you shouldn’t be crying about anything.
 

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Hand tools are not like computers, and I don’t understand for the life of me why you would draw that comparison. An office worker can be issued 1 or 2 computers, preconfigured with all the software they could ever need to do their job. It’s relatively simple to track the assets, and even to remotely wipe a laptop if an employee goes AWOL. A mechanic needs literally hundreds or thousands of individual tools to do his job. If the company buys cheap ones, he could break his fingers. If the company buys fancy ones, he could develop sticky fingers.
I only drew that comparison because I happen to work in IT. I could say the same thing about many occupations. A bus driver doesn't have to bring their own bus to do the job. A heavy equipment operator doesn't usually own their own heavy equipment unless they own the company. My employer has company electricians and machinists. They have their own small tools they own and the company supplies all the bigger stuff. The difference is the company gives them a tool allowance. The employee own the tools and I believe they take them with when they leave. (I don't know the exact details.)

PCs get lost or stolen too. My employer used to lock all laptops to desks when they were in the building. Our production plant still has some PCs locked down due to theft. Laptops and iPads get stolen from employee cars on a regular basis. Macbooks are particularly prone to theft due to the higher value.
 

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Snap On truck owners are like any other salesman, some are good, some not so good. I look at it this way: I saw a Snap On truck stopped at a local garage, he finished up with the mechanics there which are his bread and butter, I'm not. I respect that, I was however looking to buy a 1/4" drive ratchet, not kick tires I knew the price and what's fair. This guy was rude and didn't want to be bothered. He asked if I worked at the shop, I said no and told him what I was looking for. He had it said it was expensive and he was in a hurry. No price quote, no haggling on my part. His loss in my book. A few days later and a few towns over I tried again on a different truck. This guy had a brain, and gave me a good deal, what the trade was paying and was happy to do cash business. I'll be seeing him again. There is no way on God's green earth I'll beg someone to take my money. I'll walk away and spend my money elsewhere.
 
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Formula

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Anywhere I worked the SO driver would take a walk through the shop and at least say hi, may it known he was there. At that point you knew he was there and you had a half hour to get out to the truck. He also carried around the "tool of the day". And I could also set my watch by he when he would show up. Always the same time of day, the same day of the week. Rarely he was late and generally not more than a few minutes.

To the OP, does other guys go out to the truck? He might not come in because he doesn't get a chance too. I have seen trucks pull up and guys practiacally running out to meet him before the truck stops rolling, then he has a constant flow of guys through the truck and next thing you know he has to move on.

Also, perhaps the shop management does not want him in the shop. I have seen that happen too.
I haven't noticed if other guys are going out to the truck. It doesn't sound like it from what they tell me. Sometimes he comes in, most times I guess he just parks outside.

The strangest is the Matco guy. My first week he was talking to the guy in the stall next to me and I figured he'd stop by and drop off a flyer like they always do. It was obvious I was there working. No way to miss me. Then it continued on for the next month and a half. Every week he would do his rounds through the shop and walk right past. Whatever I guess. Piss poor salesman if you ask me, I've been wrenching on cars for 30 years and have a fair share of tool guys throughout the years. None of them acted like this.

And none of the dealers I ever worked for cared if the tool guys came into the shop or if guys went out to the truck. Its just part of the business.
 

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Wow! Thet tool truck guys will not survive long at that rate! They need to polish up on thier sales and at least walk around and say "Hi, what can I help you with!"
 

six-point socket II

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I only drew that comparison because I happen to work in IT. I could say the same thing about many occupations. A bus driver doesn't have to bring their own bus to do the job. A heavy equipment operator doesn't usually own their own heavy equipment unless they own the company. My employer has company electricians and machinists. They have their own small tools they own and the company supplies all the bigger stuff. The difference is the company gives them a tool allowance. The employee own the tools and I believe they take them with when they leave. (I don't know the exact details.)

PCs get lost or stolen too. My employer used to lock all laptops to desks when they were in the building. Our production plant still has some PCs locked down due to theft. Laptops and iPads get stolen from employee cars on a regular basis. Macbooks are particularly prone to theft due to the higher value.


I probably don't have to say it, but it's exactly like that in Germany, generally speaking. The business owner makes sure that his employees have the tools they need. No matter what trade. In automotive environment that means every mechanic is provided with a complete toolbox that has all the basic tools. Speciality tools, testers, heavy equipment (...) are shared between all mechanics anyway.

There are constellations in which other agreements between employer and employees or between business partners are made, but the owner/business providing tools to employees is the norm.

Kind regards,
Oliver
 

ZRX61

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Snap On truck owners are like any other salesman, some are good, some not so good. I look at it this way: I saw a Snap On truck stopped at a local garage, he finished up with the mechanics there which are his bread and butter, I'm not. I respect that, I was however looking to buy a 1/4" drive ratchet, not kick tires I knew the price and what's fair. This guy was rude and didn't want to be bothered. He asked if I worked at the shop, I said no and told him what I was looking for. He had it said it was expensive and he was in a hurry. No price quote, no haggling on my part. His loss in my book. A few days later and a few towns over I tried again on a different truck. This guy had a brain, and gave me a good deal, what the trade was paying and was happy to do cash business. I'll be seeing him again. There is no way on God's green earth I'll beg someone to take my money. I'll walk away and spend my money elsewhere.
There was one at a local airport that always looked like it had been robbed. He never had anything in stock & would often park outside the hangar for hours. A few times I drove pass the airport after work & he'd still be there 3 or 4 hours after we'd all gone home.
By contrast, the Mac truck had so much stuff that I was amazed it could move under it's own power.
 

NYBODYMAN

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Even a shy tool dealer can at a minimum walk by and say hello here is this months sale flyer if there is anything I can help you with please let me know anytime. Any broken tools I can fix ? I think this is a minimum anybody can do as far as I'm concerned. I understand his complaint.
BINGO! Every shop I worked at the tool guy would at the very least introduce himself and see what's up. Nothing pushy but definitely let the new guys know he's there. Keep in mind this was almost 20 years ago when people had personalities and the ability to speak to others in person.
 

2ndGearRubber

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Right. Because a bus driver needs 1 bus, and it’s hard to steal a bus. That’s my point.

Why not offer a wage and working conditions where you're not hiring thiefs? Give them a tool.box with tools, inventory it before their last check or once a quarter/month/whatever. It's a pretty easy process. Bake the cost into the business, like literally every other business ever.

Realistically its simpler to just offset tool cost onto employees. They're piece work employees, they dont need managed. If they dont do the work they starve. If they dont have the tools they starve. I remember a guy telling me "you never fire a flat rate tech, you just starve them out". Prevents paying unemployment. Just give them 2 oil changes a day for 0.3 each and starve them the rest of the time. They'll leave.


Part of me likes supplying my own stuff, it gives me massive leverage. Leverage is everything in life, it runs the world.
 
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