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Getting ready for spring pond construction.

Chaz

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There's about 2 feet of snow on the ground now, but I decided I couldn't wait any longer to start on construction of my pond. I got it dug out last fall, and then winter hit....
This week I've been prefabricating the pump house and waterwheel. I'll drag them down to the pond when weather allows. Here's a photo of the waterwheel. It's six feet in diameter, constructed in 12 segments out of cedar with stainless steel fasteners. The pond on completion will hold 30,000 gallons and should be quite a sight.



This is the only photo I have of the start of the excavation last fall.

 
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Whats the pump house look like? Is it modeled to look like an old mill or not?
 

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Dang Chaz, that water wheel looks awesome! Tell me more about it! Concrete, liner,pump, filtration?
 

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What are your plans for the pond? Irrigation? Aesthetics? Fire protection?

On a side note - there's a winery near me that uses solar water pumps to pump water out of the local river and up to holding ponds above his vineyard and then gravity feeds the vines as needed. The pumps are slow and could never pump the capacity he needs directly but after pumping it nearly 100 vertical feet, he has plenty of pressure. I like the idea.

Also - we've gone from teens to 50 degrees almost overnight so our snow is melting fast (pond is filled back up and water pouring over the spillway).

Here's a couple things that I see with our pond. First, ours is not spring fed but is filled via runoff so soil/silt comes with the melt and that starts filling in the pond w/ sediment. I'm thinking of building a sort of settling basin at the shallower end where most of the runoff comes in so then I can dredge out that small section rather than having the whole pond to deal with. Migrating geese/ducks love it but they also bring plant seeds etc and cattails are a serious issue pretty quickly if you don't keep on top of them. Generally, you will have more wildlife in the area since here in the west, water sources can be an issue in the summer.

Have fun and great water wheel!!!
 
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Good luck on the pond and I'm in for seeing more pics of it.

I would like to have a small maintainable pond, all for the fact of hearing water oer a waterfalls, and for the pleasing look of it. But with that said, we just finished up in '12 of filling in the last of our 3/4 acre pond. As nice as it was, it was not a natural pond, and it did not have enough runoff to sustain it. We were never told that when we bought the house, but the owner kept it filled with a garden hose. Our pond was graduated down from a couple of feet deep to being 12' deep at the deepest point. Besides having Catfish @ 30+ pounds, and White Amurs @ 50+ pounds, we also had a ton of Bluegills with some having a 10" girth and weighing just a tick over a pound each.

A small pond is enjoyable, and a large pond is a lot of work if it is not natural. Make sure you read about the upkeep on various sites. You are almost there with the hole in the ground. Line it, add rounded stone in the bottom for fish sediment to settle, and add some live vegetation to help sustain it and balance things out. Water lilies in the pot, will help contain the roots, but will also help keep some clarity in the water, along with shading the water to help alleviate algae growth.

Good luck, and keep us filled in on the progress.

One other thing....if you are going to put in a liner, add some sand to the pond base, and use something like old carpet to line the ground before adding the liner. You may also want to add a few shelves cut in to be able to have plants setting in pots around the perimeter.

You also have to watch out for predators. The two biggest ones are Raccoons, and Herons. If you have a Heron that spots the pond, he will come back time after time, and he can haul off some fairly good size fish.

And as far as herons....illegal to shoot, and can get a person some jail time and up to a $25,000 fine. A little expensive for having a few fish in a hole. :scared:

Good luck and keep us updated!! :thumbup:
 
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Geez... Lotsa questions and advice!!!! I'm really happy to receive BOTH!
Here's where I'm heading.... The purpose of the pond is really aesthetics. I love the look of water and the sound of it falling...
The pond will have a liner. The soil is VERY sandy (ultra fine) so I'm hoping it wont need a pad under the liner.
The entire contents of the pond will recirculate through filters about every two hours.
(Lots of pumping and filtering )
I'll probably throw a dozen or so goldfish in there. They can grow to 20 pounds or so if they're not eaten first. I will try to trap and relocate the local raccoons, but I'd welcome a heron (they're so damn beautiful) I've come to terms with the deer foraging through my small orchard so a heron seems like small change.
I didn't expect such interest, so I'll keep posting as work progresses.
Here's the filter I'm looking at. Anyone ever used one of these? If so I'd like a review before I throw away my money...
http://www.123ponds.com/a50300.html
 
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wow nice water wheel, we have a couple of ponds, one larger one i'm not sure how many gallons it is that is not spring feed but does have enough run off to keep it full. its maybe 80x40 by 9' deep in the center. I don't do much with it except spray for weeds and dredge the shore line once or twice a year.
we also have a small pond up by the house thats maybe 700 gallons that we have koi's and some gold fish in. we have a filter and small water fall, its pretty hard to keep the water clean and from turning green.
I've found that the easiest way is to put the fish in a bucket and drain it in the spring and power wash the sides. if you got sun light your going to have algae.

please keep us posted, can wait to see the progress photo's
 

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Awesome looking wheel, Chaz....Could you post a few pics of your shop...Looks like you got some cool **** hanging around...
 

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Chaz, Here is a link to a forum on ponds. Lots of good people and info here! As far as filtration. I would stay away from most store bought do it all filters. If up to the task most if not all of you filter can be DIY stuff much cheaper and do a better job. This forum has a large section on construction and filtration. http://www.koiphen.com/forums/index.php
 

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This is my craft - I am a water feature guy... in a pond like this, we NEVER use filters. We use aeration and biological treatments. Smaller koi and fish ponds need the filtration because of the small volume of water... a filter system that can handle a pond of this size would be HUGE and expensive. A "constructed wetland" filter would be much better than any type of bead filter you can find.
 

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There's a heron or something similar that likes to get all the frogs out of the creek. When the frogs are gone, the skeeters get wild.
 
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these guys showed up one summer day a couple years ago on the backside of my pond.
strangest thing, I've seen herons a lot of times around my pond by i have never seen more than one at a time.

my young grand daughter started to run out there after them, i had to hurry up and catch her because they didn't look like they were about to move. Ever get that feeling like something bad is going to happen here............it was a little scary.

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here's our two ponds, this is the larger one last spring getting ready to overflow the banks
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this is our concrete goldfish/koi pond up by the house, its about 700 gallons and 24" deep. we have a filter that also has a uv light that seems to work pretty well at keeping the algae in check but as the year goes on you can see by fall its starting to turn green.

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Geez... Lotsa questions and advice!!!! I'm really happy to receive BOTH!
Here's where I'm heading.... The purpose of the pond is really aesthetics. I love the look of water and the sound of it falling...
The pond will have a liner. The soil is VERY sandy (ultra fine) so I'm hoping it wont need a pad under the liner.
The entire contents of the pond will recirculate through filters about every two hours.
(Lots of pumping and filtering )
I'll probably throw a dozen or so goldfish in there. They can grow to 20 pounds or so if they're not eaten first. I will try to trap and relocate the local raccoons, but I'd welcome a heron (they're so damn beautiful) I've come to terms with the deer foraging through my small orchard so a heron seems like small change.
I didn't expect such interest, so I'll keep posting as work progresses.
Here's the filter I'm looking at. Anyone ever used one of these? If so I'd like a review before I throw away my money...
http://www.123ponds.com/a50300.html

If you put down a liner, also consider putting some crushed stone around the edge. This will keep the fish further down in. AQ Heron will walk up to about his knees in water, and if you have a bare liner, the fish will come up to the edge, and the Heron will ****** them up. Believe me, a Heron can carry quite a bit of weight. Maybe that's why some people call them cranes :lol: Also raccoons will grab the small fish.

And if you see ANY cattails starting, get rid of them ASAP because they will take over. And don't plant any bamboo. A friend of ours gave us a couple Water Iris for our pond and it had one or two small roots of a short bamboo plant. Or ground is clay and a backhoe has a hard time digging. THe roots; of that bamboo came into our about 10', and grew up through the ground about 4'. If any bamboo get started, it will poke all sorts of holes in your pond liner.

As far as an underlayment, I mentioned old carpet, and you can get all you want from carpet places. Heck they may even pay you to take it. But if you don't want to go that route, lay down a layer of sand AFTER you rake or rockhound everything out of where your liner is going to be.

You can plant ornamental water lilies, but keep them in a pot. Usuall a shel is made around a pond for potted plants.

When it comes to your filter, I probably wouldn't put one in like you are looking at, but what you can do is get a couple 300 gallon Rubbermaid tubs and fill with lava stone and water hyacinths and it will filter your water great. Set one tub for a water falls, and another tub higher than that one, that the water will go into the tub below it. You want your pump set so that the water goes in the bottom of the top tub, overflow into the next, then overflow into the pond. There used to be a nursery south of us that was into water gardens, and he had his set up this way, and his water was crystal clear even in the dead heat and drought of summer. And if you recirculate your water enough, you won't have algae. If you have access to large rocks or boulders, use them in you pond as much as you can. This gives the small fish a place to hide. And if you really like to hear the water, have a water falls that is built out of stone, but is hollowed out behind the falls. This allows the water to echo back, or magnify the sound.

Another good site for ponds is Garden Web. The first one is their pond forum, and the second one is their pond Gallery.

http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/ponds/

http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/ponds/nph-ind.cgi?type=gal

Good luck with yours and make sure you keep us updated :thumbup::thumbup: I know that whatever you do, it is going to look great.
 
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Thank you all for your input. It is valued. The learning curve for pond technology is a steep one with lots of conflicting theories. I'm a bit OCD, so I don't want a any Rube Goldberg **** scattered all about. Whatever the filtering, it will have to fit inside the pumphouse and clean fairly easily.
Here's a picture I pulled off Google Images that we fashioned our pumphouse after
 

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Thank you all for your input. It is valued. The learning curve for pond technology is a steep one with lots of conflicting theories. I'm a bit OCD, so I don't want a any Rube Goldberg **** scattered all about. Whatever the filtering, it will have to fit inside the pumphouse and clean fairly easily.
Here's a picture I pulled off Google Images that we fashioned our pumphouse after

That's pretty ambitious (and beautiful) - overshot wheel? You really should look into doing something with the power you can generate from the wheel. Charge a battery or even pump more water back up to run over the wheel some more ....... You could use a solar powered pump during the day and back up battery power at night. Just tossing out ideas.

I'll see if I can post a pic of our pond. It's definitely not a "house beautiful" landscape pond but it's nice for our uses.
 
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Here's some photos of today's work... It snowed this morning, but was 50 degrees later in the day when we started erecting the pumphouse... Still a long way to go, but we're making headway!



 
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Here's the latest. Got the stonework and roof completed. Now to get a liner ordered...



 
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these guys showed up one summer day a couple years ago on the backside of my pond.
strangest thing, I've seen herons a lot of times around my pond by i have never seen more than one at a time.

my young grand daughter started to run out there after them, i had to hurry up and catch her because they didn't look like they were about to move. Ever get that feeling like something bad is going to happen here............it was a little scary.

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Everybody assumed these are herons. I question as to whether or not they are sandhill cranes. My experience is that herons are more often alone whereas the shc is seldom alone. My experience with shc also suggests that your daughter would be safe as these guys would have been long gone before she was within striking distance. Great picture, though.

Dave.
 

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Those are sandhill cranes. The red top makes them a dead giveaway. According to some areas, they're also delicious.
 
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