Ghostshield 4500 and 8510

[dannyc1225]

Hey guys, looking at pulling the trigger on 4500 and 8510 to seal some new concrete (ok 4 months old). Its 5000 psi smooth troweled. I could find some threads on this combo but not too many long term reviews or finished pictures. I like the concrete look and its going in a working garage, so I feel like these products lend themselves to an upscale working garage which is what I'm going for.

Thanks!

 

[Garage Flooring]

As long as you are not looking for gloss it is a great solution. Does not change appearance at all.

Clear polyurea adds gloss but requires prep


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[78SC4X4]

subscribed. Interested in reviews as well.

 

[AMFJ]

I want to piggyback on this also. For those that have it, if you get chemicals on it (something like armor all or other car cleaning items), does it become slippery? Same deal with water.

 

[Garage Flooring]

I want to piggyback on this also. For those that have it, if you get chemicals on it (something like armor all or other car cleaning items), does it become slippery? Same deal with water.

4500 and 8510 do not affect surface texture at all. Obviously oil and water stay on top, so wet concrete is wet concrete as far as that goes

 

[dannyc1225]

Are we talking like a satin low gloss sheen? That would be perfect for me.

I clean up everything, but would like for the floor to be unaffected if I had some fluid drops stay on the floor for the duration of me working on something, maybe up to a day at most.

 

[Garage Flooring]

Are we talking like a satin low gloss sheen? That would be perfect for me.

I clean up everything, but would like for the floor to be unaffected if I had some fluid drops stay on the floor for the duration of me working on something, maybe up to a day at most.

4500/8510 has no sheen, no build, does not impact appearance at all

 

[GRivera]

I'm going to assume 8510 has better sealing qualities than 8505 because I have 8505 on smooth 4000 psi concrete and trans fluid stained it like it wasn't sealed. Because it's sealed, I have to grind to install any type of coating.

 

[Garage Flooring]

I'm going to assume 8510 has better sealing qualities than 8505 because I have 8505 on smooth 4000 psi concrete and trans fluid stained it like it wasn't sealed. Because it's sealed, I have to grind to install any type of coating.

Sealers have a break through point if chemicals left on them to long . 8510 is better than 8505 , but any penetrating sealer will give at some point.


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[GRivera]

Sealers have a break through point if chemicals left on them to long . 8510 is better than 8505 , but any penetrating sealer will give at some point.


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Thanks - good info for OP to consider since he said its a working garage.

 

[egdede]

I bought 4500 and 8510 for my basement workshop and love it. I even bought from Justin off of Amazon without realizing it (decision made on Th. night and I wanted Sat. delivery.) It holds up well to the chemical spills we experience around here.

 

[tff]

I applied 4500 + 8510 on my garage floor. I think I followed all of the directions well. I have to be honest... It repels water well. The floor doesn't emit dust and it's easy to sweep & keep clean. It's definitely better than no sealant. However, any petroleum product leaves a stain, even after seconds or minutes of contact. I just don't think anyone should go into getting this product expecting that petroleum products will not leave a stain. (If someone's experience has differed, I think it would be helpful for this forum).
I had great support & service from Garage Flooring LLC to help rectify my experience, by the way. No issues there at all.

 

[Garage Flooring]

I bought 4500 and 8510 for my basement workshop and love it. I even bought from Justin off of Amazon without realizing it (decision made on Th. night and I wanted Sat. delivery.) It holds up well to the chemical spills we experience around here.

Thank you!

I applied 4500 + 8510 on my garage floor. I think I followed all of the directions well. I have to be honest... I repels water well. The floor doesn't emit dust and it's easy to sweep & keep clean. It's definitely better than no sealant. However, any petroleum product leaves a stain, even after seconds or minutes of contact. I just don't think anyone should go into getting this product expecting that petroleum products will not leave a stain. (If someone's experience has differed, I think it would be helpful for this forum).
I had great support & service from Garage Flooring LLC to help rectify my experience, by the way. No issues there at all.

I still struggle with screen names to real world but if there is something left for us to do, please let me know

 

[GRivera]

I applied 4500 + 8510 on my garage floor. I think I followed all of the directions well. I have to be honest... I repels water well. The floor doesn't emit dust and it's easy to sweep & keep clean. It's definitely better than no sealant. However, any petroleum product leaves a stain, even after seconds or minutes of contact. I just don't think anyone should go into getting this product expecting that petroleum products will not leave a stain. (If someone's experience has differed, I think it would be helpful for this forum).
I had great support & service from Garage Flooring LLC to help rectify my experience, by the way. No issues there at all.

Good post - I assume some have had no issues with petroleum product stains but my experience has been consistent with yours, albeit with 4500 and 8505.

 

[78SC4X4]

So the question is......... Can you protect against petroleum stains with a sealer or must you go with a coating (epoxy)?

 

[like2wheel]

I applied 4500 + 8510 on my garage floor. I think I followed all of the directions well. I have to be honest... I repels water well. The floor doesn't emit dust and it's easy to sweep & keep clean. It's definitely better than no sealant. However, any petroleum product leaves a stain, even after seconds or minutes of contact. I just don't think anyone should go into getting this product expecting that petroleum products will not leave a stain.

I have had the same experience.
And while I have no regrets, I do sometimes wonder if I'd been just as happy using the much less expensive siloxo-whatever the local builders supply recommended.



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[Garage Flooring]

So the question is......... Can you protect against petroleum stains with a sealer or must you go with a coating (epoxy)?

I have had the same experience.
And while I have no regrets, I do sometimes wonder if I'd been just as happy using the much less expensive siloxo-whatever the local builders supply recommended.



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A penetrating sealer will always have a punch through point. A good coating generally will not. We have a lot of people using clear polyurea.

To be honest I am a little surprised at where this thread has gone. Vast majority if people who use a Ghostshield sealer love it. There are different 'levels'

4500 + 8505 Good
4500 + 8510 Single Flood Coat over Power Troweled Concrete (Better)
4500 + 2 coats 8510 is ideal for a commercial shop

The advantages of Polyurea is no punch through. Depending on chemical exposure the concern would be it could stain after prolonged exposure. Poly requires prep and won't hold up to slag.

The advantages of a sealer are almost no prep, strong auto fluid repellant but you do have punch through.

 

[dannyc1225]

A penetrating sealer will always have a punch through point. A good coating generally will not. We have a lot of people using clear polyurea.

To be honest I am a little surprised at where this thread has gone. Vast majority if people who use a Ghostshield sealer love it. There are different 'levels'

4500 + 8505 Good
4500 + 8510 Single Flood Coat over Power Troweled Concrete (Better)
4500 + 2 coats 8510 is ideal for a commercial shop

The advantages of Polyurea is no punch through. Depending on chemical exposure the concern would be it could stain after prolonged exposure. Poly requires prep and won't hold up to slag.

The advantages of a sealer are almost no prep, strong auto fluid repellant but you do have punch through.

Wont the Polyurea chip and scratch since it is a glossier surface coat?

So 2 coats of 8510 will look exactly the same as unsealed concrete?

 

[Garage Flooring]

Wont the Polyurea chip and scratch since it is a glossier surface coat?

So 2 coats of 8510 will look exactly the same as unsealed concrete?

Yes, coatings can scratch. Polyurea with anti-wear holds up very well, but it can scratch. again it comes down to pros and cons and what the need is. It can also be touched up and coated over.

All of this has to get weighed out and that's why we have so many different products to offer.

 

[GRivera]

A penetrating sealer will always have a punch through point. A good coating generally will not. We have a lot of people using clear polyurea.

To be honest I am a little surprised at where this thread has gone. Vast majority if people who use a Ghostshield sealer love it. There are different 'levels'

4500 + 8505 Good
4500 + 8510 Single Flood Coat over Power Troweled Concrete (Better)
4500 + 2 coats 8510 is ideal for a commercial shop

The advantages of Polyurea is no punch through. Depending on chemical exposure the concern would be it could stain after prolonged exposure. Poly requires prep and won't hold up to slag.

The advantages of a sealer are almost no prep, strong auto fluid repellant but you do have punch through.

Maybe most who are happy with the sealer don’t have “working” garages regularly exposed to petroleum products. I certainly had incorrect expectations and wasted my money on it- I should have saved it for a polyurea product but was seduced by the minimal prep needed for 8505. Mine isn’t a commercial shop but I turn wrenches on all my own cars, have engines on stands, and may pull an engine once a year. No way not to get a petroleum product on the floor doing what I do.

 

[Garage Flooring]

Maybe most who are happy with the sealer don’t have “working” garages regularly exposed to petroleum products. I certainly had incorrect expectations and wasted my money on it- I should have saved it for a polyurea product but was seduced by the minimal prep needed for 8505.

Well. The vast majority of where we sell the 8510 is shops. That’s why I’m surprised.

8510 delivers nearly twice the actives as 8505 so there is a difference there. I’m trying to remember what soaked through the 8510 in the comment above. I’m thinking it was brake fluid but honestly don’t remember for sure


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[egdede]

Though my Sierra Nevada didn't soak in, the leaking chainsaw oil that sat for few weeks left a stain : ) In the picture above, you are looking at a drop of beer that sat all night. At first I panicked because it looked like the crete had absorbed some of the beer. But, what looks like it may be the outline of soaked in beer in that picture was actually the shadow'reflection of the surface of the beer droplet. Whew, the floor is impervious to beer, tragedy narrowly averted!

 

[Garage Flooring]

Though my Sierra Nevada didn't soak in, the leaking chainsaw oil that sat for few weeks left a stain : ) In the picture above, you are looking at a drop of beer that sat all night. At first I panicked because it looked like the crete had absorbed some of the beer. But, what looks like it may be the outline of soaked in beer in that picture was actually the shadow'reflection of the surface of the beer droplet. Whew, the floor is impervious to beer, tragedy narrowly averted!

That is awesome. Now we need to see what the hard stuff does [emoji1787]


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[GRivera]

Well. The vast majority of where we sell the 8510 is shops. That’s why I’m surprised.

8510 delivers nearly twice the actives as 8505 so there is a difference there. I’m trying to remember what soaked through the 8510 in the comment above. I’m thinking it was brake fluid but honestly don’t remember for sure


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It’s my understanding Dot 3/4 brake fluid is not a petroleum product.

 

[78SC4X4]

A penetrating sealer will always have a punch through point. A good coating generally will not. We have a lot of people using clear polyurea.

To be honest I am a little surprised at where this thread has gone. Vast majority if people who use a Ghostshield sealer love it. There are different 'levels'

4500 + 8505 Good
4500 + 8510 Single Flood Coat over Power Troweled Concrete (Better)
4500 + 2 coats 8510 is ideal for a commercial shop

The advantages of Polyurea is no punch through. Depending on chemical exposure the concern would be it could stain after prolonged exposure. Poly requires prep and won't hold up to slag.

The advantages of a sealer are almost no prep, strong auto fluid repellant but you do have punch through.

Thanks. That is very helpful information.

 

[RPH]

I used 8505 on the shop floor. It’s a working shop. Overhauled the tractors and plenty of car work. Stains have been to a minimum. But I did acid stain the floor with 4 colors prior to Ghostshield. So any stains present are lost in the random pattern placed down. It’s concrete in a working shop, it will get stained and it will crack.

 

[like2wheel]

Coincidentally, a couple of days ago, I spilled a large amount of used (dirty) brake fluid on my floor. Was probably 5 minutes before I got the oil dry from my old garage. Scooped, scraped, blotted, mopped. Couldn't get the stain out, then today I noticed it seemed to be gone.

 

[GRivera]

I used 8505 on the shop floor. It’s a working shop. Overhauled the tractors and plenty of car work. Stains have been to a minimum. But I did acid stain the floor with 4 colors prior to Ghostshield. So any stains present are lost in the random pattern placed down. It’s concrete in a working shop, it will get stained and it will crack.

Smart move acid staining

 

[Armorpoxy]

Ghostshield is a great product and product for many applications. We carry it along with epoxies and polyureas so we are very familiar with all of them.

No product is perfect and all have advantages and different price points.