fifth
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Installing Ghostshield next weekend, anyone have some tips, tricks, or pic's?
Ghostshield 8510 install
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RPH
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I did the 8505 so not sure how much help I can be.
1; clean, then clean it again, then again.
2; densifier is applied 1 week before the sealer, this may be different from the 8510
3; don't let it pool, keep rolling.
4; 24 hours later enjoy your floor.
So far I have been vary impressed with the 8505, the 8510 is solvent based so make sure you post your impressions of it. Good luck.
1; clean, then clean it again, then again.
2; densifier is applied 1 week before the sealer, this may be different from the 8510
3; don't let it pool, keep rolling.
4; 24 hours later enjoy your floor.
So far I have been vary impressed with the 8505, the 8510 is solvent based so make sure you post your impressions of it. Good luck.
RPH
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Sprayed it on, then roll as it worked into the concrete. That took the longest.
Sasquatch912
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Is this the densifier you used?
https://m.lowes.com/pd/Ghostshield-...oofer-Actual-Net-Contents-128-fl-oz/999911193
RPH
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I went with the 4500 product line.
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How did it go? SOrry I have been offline for a bit. Family in town so I took an extended weekend
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What is the morning temperature? What is your Zip
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Good God that is HOT.
My first piece of advice is this project is going to require a lot of beer for that heat. Working on some additional info. Just waiting to hear back on something
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Three things... Store the material someplace cool until you are ready to use and perform the installation as early in the am as possible. If this garage is attached open the door the day before (close during install) and let the area cool off.
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I will be applying the Ghostshield 8510 this weekend as well. . and will let you know how it goes. We will be in the mid 80's
Sure rub a little salt in the wound
RPH
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Mine was water based concentrate. 1 gallon made 5 gallons usable product. Bought a back pack sprayer from northern for twenty five bucks, it worked great. A standard paint roller on a long handle, just keep from pooling. It will soak in just takes time. I think the 8510 will be pretty close to the consistency of the 8505 when all is said and done.
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8510 is solvent based. You absolutely can use a weed sprayer. Make sure it is chemical / solvent resistant as 8510 is solvent based.
rmmiller
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Is the densifier a must use? I didn't see where they called for it in the application guide. I am leaning towards this product for our new house, I like that it is not a coating, it penetrates the concrete to seal it and they have an oil resistant product. It's spendy but looks to be worth it.
RPH
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Densifier made sense with my application. It wasn't that much more cost wise but ten days time wise, one good day of work after prep is done. Then wait.
RPH
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And how did it turn out?
Toomanytools?
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Ha funny to see someone else local on here I'm in Burbank, just curious why your not a fan of a "coating". I have 3000 sqft to do and struggling with a Ghostshield on part or a Polyurethane then an epoxy on the rest. Not sure what I want.
Thanks
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I need to get a hold of my contact on this over at Ghostshield.
The revised instructions came out and did not include the densifier. I called him on it and was told it would be fixed. It is not 'required' but highly recommended.
Bottom line is this. It is a very very good idea to do it and will likely save you money long and short term. Densifiers do a permanent work that creates a physical change. Combined with a good sealer it makes for a great system.
Toomanytools?
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So just a question when I see this I wonder is it a change in the concrete to help the sealer attach better? I'm wondering if it has any negative effects on the concrete holding up over time? I wouldn't think so but just crossed my mind.
RPH
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My understanding is that reacts chemically with concrete. It helps fill the microscopic voids making the concrete harder. Concrete can be up to 50% stronger. The harder it is the less penetration substances have from the surface, hence the term "densifier". It will continue to seep into the concrete for a long time. Ghostshield puts a hundred year warranty.
Shea
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Justin is correct. They don't list the densifier as a requirement, but they do highly recommend it. The reason is as follows:
A densifier works by penetrating into the surface of the concrete and reacting with calcium hydroxide to produce calcium silicate hydrate (CSH). This is the substance that gives concrete its strength. Next, the CSH that is produced fills the open pores and capillaries of the concrete, thus increasing the density and strength at the surface.
The Siloia-Tek 8505 and 8510 consist of a much smaller molecular structure that penetrates into the substrate very well. When applied to concrete that has be treated with a densifier, it does not seep as deep into the surface of the concrete and is concentrated more at the surface and sub surface where it works best. Two coats is generally all that is required for maximum performance when applied to densified concrete.
When applied to untreated concrete (no densifier), it can require many more applications to sustain the same performance since it will need to build up to the surface to be most effective. Of course this can vary depending on how porous the concrete is initially.
A densifier works by penetrating into the surface of the concrete and reacting with calcium hydroxide to produce calcium silicate hydrate (CSH). This is the substance that gives concrete its strength. Next, the CSH that is produced fills the open pores and capillaries of the concrete, thus increasing the density and strength at the surface.
The Siloia-Tek 8505 and 8510 consist of a much smaller molecular structure that penetrates into the substrate very well. When applied to concrete that has be treated with a densifier, it does not seep as deep into the surface of the concrete and is concentrated more at the surface and sub surface where it works best. Two coats is generally all that is required for maximum performance when applied to densified concrete.
When applied to untreated concrete (no densifier), it can require many more applications to sustain the same performance since it will need to build up to the surface to be most effective. Of course this can vary depending on how porous the concrete is initially.
dodgepolara500
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pics! need to see pics!
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Densifiers, help seal the concrete in a different way. They make it harder for moisture to penetrate from the top and reduce wicking from below. The is a permanent chemical change. The 8505 adds the Silane and Siloxane anong with the Fluorocarbons to finish the process of sealing the floor.
When a densifier is used the floor becomes more abrasion resistant and reduces dusting.
RPH
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So, after many questions back and forth all we get is crickets. Comments and pictures will help the next guy that has the same conundrum.
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rburke65
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I have crickets in my back yard!