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Brad54

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I just did Eastwoods glass sanding and polishing kit on the wife's Corvair windshield.
It's still got some very fine scratches in it... I feel like I could get them out with one more stage of polishing, but I think I've gotten about as far as I'm going to get with the red polish they send in the kit. Does anyone have any recommendations on finer polishing compound for glass?

-Brad
 
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jjjrmx5

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Jeweler's rouge, Cerium Oxide or go talk to a couple of local windshield shops or vintage car restorers.

Various levels of grit rouges are available thru most jewlers as that is what they polish the glass crystals in watches with.

IIRC, it comes in green, red, blue and others that denote the different grit/polish levels.

Been a while since I have done one but know how it works firsthand.
:)

Here's and interesting discussion:
http://www.finishing.com/258/52.shtml

There is, in my mind, only two ways of getting scratches out of glass, whether it be automotive or household:
1. Call the professionals, or;
2. Do it yourself...
To DIY, you need just one 'magic' ingredient; Cerium Oxide.
There are plenty of scratch removal kits available but, it is cheaper to buy the items that you'll need individually, tailored to your particular job in hand. I'll leave the Cerium Oxide till the end of the list so I can give a little more of an explanation as to what it is, and its most common uses.
For any job, you will need:
1. An electric or cordless drill - max. 2000 rpm. Slower the better, more control;
2. Backing pad - 2, 3 or 5 inch depending on the job in hand;
3. Felt polishing pad - to match the size of the backing pad above. Note: There are several types of felt pad on the market but, in this case, you'll need one that's preferably made of Rayon fibre and impregnated with resin on one side to give a faster cutting action and quality finish;
4. A damp cloth, and a dry cloth - to clean off the affected area from time to time to check on your progress;
5. Cerium Oxide - whether in powder form or already mixed into a compound.
Cerium Oxide (also known as ceric oxide, ceria, cerium oxide or cerium dioxide) is an oxide of the rare earth metal cerium. It is used to polish glass and stone, amongst other things. Quite a versatile little substance, is our little Cerium Oxide. It's appearance is of a very fine white powder. It is widely used to polish ophthalmic lenses (mass production and prescription) and optical lenses.
As to which Cerium Oxide powder to buy, I will advise thus... The one which I use (yes, I have done this before! :D ) is 'CEROX 1663 Cerium Oxide'. I think it is available in the US, but if not, look for a high-grade product. High-grade = more money, I'm afraid... :( It may be a good idea to ask at a hardware/polishing supply store or a polishing company if they can help you in your quest. If all else fails, I buy my supplies from www.glasspolishshop.com. They do supply to the States. By the way, CEROX 1663 has, according to the manufacturer, three main advantages;
* A high polishing efficiency which permits use at low concentrations.
* A very high cleanliness which gives polished surfaces without any scratches.
* Excellent suspension properties.
And I agree with all of the above! :D Well, it works just fine for me. :)
This stuff is really great, but as we're using it ourselves and we're not experts - on the most part ;) - then we have to take some precautions during use.
Directions:
First of all, attach the felt pad to the backing pad and insert into drill. Secondly, if you bought powder, mix it into a watery paste to make the Cerium Oxide compound, and if you bought a prepared compound, start shaking the container vigorously until all the sludge is thoroughly mixed. If you do buy powder then the best way to use it is to put some of the Cerium Oxide powder into a small bottle and add enough water to enable you to shake and thoroughly mix. More water, better than not enough.
Whilst using the Cerium Oxide compound (referred to as 'compound' from now on) you must not let it dry out! You can either add a little more of the compound mix or add a little water to the felt pad to reactivate. Also, if you are going to use it on a wind-shield for instance, do not allow any of the compound to get on the paintwork, as it's an abrasive little beast! :) You can remove it from paintwork by delicately dabbing it up with a moist sponge or wash the area down with plenty of water.
Now comes the fun part, or the scary part, whichever you prefer... ;)
Pour a small amount of the thoroughly mixed compound onto the felt pad, press to the affected area, start the drill and keep it moving over the area for repair. Note: If you have a drill which has a lower speed setting, then all the better - high speeds give you less control and aid in distributing the compound all over yourself and your surroundings! :)
Important! DO NOT apply too much pressure to the glass! If you're working on a large pane of glass at home it is more likely to break than a car wind-shield if you put excess pressure on it. At this point, I'm not going to suggest any methods for making sure you don't apply too much pressure on the job as it's a very subjective thing - what may work for me, may not work for you. Just be careful and remember one thing; you'll know when you've applied too much pressure... That was a joke! ;)
Important! DO NOT allow the glass to overheat! This also means that you should not polish in one place for too long. Heat will either break, distort, discolour (correct spelling, I'm a Brit! ;) ) or do something else undesirable to the glass. As a rule of thumb, if the glass feels hot to the touch, that is, if it's uncomfortable to touch the area you've been polishing for more than a second or two, then you've reached the limit and will have to let the glass cool down. Depending on the thickness of the glass, you can usually get away with polishing for 30-40 secs in one place. As long as you keep moving the felt pad over the glass and by that time it would probably be prudent to check on your progress.
Well, I think that's it from me... :)
I hope I've been as informative as I can but, if not, then post a question and I will endeavour to answer as soon as possible.
I know it's an old thread but, I hope that someone, sometime gets to read it and it helps them to polish some scratch out of something. If this is the case, drop a post and say 'Hi!'. :)
Kindest regards,
Richard Jones
- Birmingham, West Midlands, England
 
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I tried the Goriot stuff. I'm not sure I have an opinion yet. I have the glass clay and the fine polish (there's also a super-fine polish as well). I used these on two older BMW windshields (c. 91 and c. '00).

Digression: whether the glass clay is really product specific (as opposed to simply or mostly marketing) or not, I dunno. I'm sort of divided on Goriot quality (I know there have been more than a few threads on their stuff). I think the glass cleaner and the blue towels (box of) are less than good. In fact, fairly useless. Wurth or Sprayway cleaner is better and any blue bowel you get from Pep boys or Costco is preferable to the "no lint" towels from Goriot -- they aren't absorbent at all. Nor do they seem to really help with "no streaking"

The one thing I did find is that the clayed and polished glass through into sharper relief the slight pitting on the windshield.

BTW: Old school Bon Ami (not the newer stuff) is what BMW recommended for the c. 91 glass in a service bulletin.
 

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Anything worth using will have Cerium Oxide in it. Carpro sells one that I hear works well. You can get it from Autogeek.net


Be careful when you polish glass because you can warp the glass or change the shape and cause a magnifying glass effect if you spend too much time in one place.
 
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hey jjrmx5, you should get a special mark next to your username for the excellent info you shared. I have a "niche" car which is hard to get parts for and i have a scratched up glass part ...i'll use your method. I'm sure it will get decent or better results. Thanks alot! and what is it? cheerios? ;)
 

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hey jjrmx5, you should get a special mark next to your username for the excellent info you shared. I have a "niche" car which is hard to get parts for and i have a scratched up glass part ...i'll use your method. I'm sure it will get decent or better results. Thanks alot! and what is it? cheerios? ;)

LOL. Thanks.

Been involved for years in the tear down, fabbing and reasembly of new armored vehicles for the State Dept, DOD, etc. Mainly SUV's and "road going" spec-opps vehicles.

Bulletproof windshields are std. style glass on the outside with thick layers laminated on the inside 2" to 3" th. if not more. Interior portion is soft and prone to scratching, but outside acts like normal windshiled.

Sometimes the floor installers get clumsy and scratch the windshield or the occasional spark or two gets tossed on it when grinding armor nearby. No sense tossing out a $10k custom windshield for a scratch or a haze.

It takes time and love to fix, but is doable, especially where buying and installing a new unit is not an option.

And, for the record, I just know what I know. Nothing more. Nothing less. :)
 
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