gluing metal to rubber

[paulmars]

gluing rubber tire to metal wheel on an old cylinder or reel lawn mower. 1940s or 1950s

What's is the best glue for a good lasting stick?

I been wondering how to hold the rubber on the wheel while the glue dries. Then someone suggested using several hose clamps. So, that is solved.

Im considering contact cement. However, what will be an issue is getting it on there straight and lined up properly as it 1st makes contact. So, maybe I can put them together before the CS dries and keep it clamped for a week or so to fully dry. However, Im told that assembling wet will compromise the final bond.

From the lady I fix this for:

I bash that mower around the yard like nobody’s business. Talk about self-propelled, sometimes I push it as hard as I can under the grapefruit tree so it comes out the other side cutting. I run over whatever is in my way. I run it backwards and forwards. I run it along the grass at the edge of the sidewalk. The grass slopes there, so I have to mow it at an angle, with one wheel on the concrete. When I mow, I zoom. I want to get it done as fast as possible. It’s how I roll.

I will add that her yard is very big.

Any ideas on glue or using CS as above?

tks,
pa

 

[paulmars]

pictures

note that the tire underside is convex and looks like it makes contact across its width makes contact with the concave wheel.

I do believe that these tires were stretched over the wheel originally, but this one broke, as shown.

 

[Smiliesafari]

Shoe-Goo. I've been using this stuff for a couple of years. Have yet to find anything that it doesn't work on. I buy it at Wal-Mart.

 

[iBuckethed]

Can you provide the make/model of the mower? Also, what about the inside diameter and outside diameter of the rubber tire?

 

[iBuckethed]

Maybe these?:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Craftsm...058?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3ccdc1d142

Kind of pricey, but if $19 x2 +shipping = job is done. Rather than wondering if the glue will hold. And then you have to work with a wheel that has glue residue all over it, etc...


Good luck!

 

[paulmars]

Can you provide the make/model of the mower? Also, what about the inside diameter and outside diameter of the rubber tire?

* * * 123.8172
"YARD-MAN, INC. JACKSON, MICH
Order Repair Parts from Sears Roebuck and Co. Mention Model Number"

apx 5.5 and 6.5"

 

[Big-Foot]

I would use Weldwood Contact Cement.. Tough as heck, durable, flexible.. The last thing you want is an adhesive that goes totally hard..

http://www.dap.com/products.aspx?SubcatID=8

 

[MarkG]

I bet those things are hard and dry-rotted as can be, and my first choice by far would be to replace them! If I was intent on gluing them, I'd try PL Premium polyurethane. There's not much it won't glue and it will be permanent! It DOES expand as it cures, so take precautions. (use your hose clamps, don't use a ton of it, read the directions, etc.)

 

[paulmars]

I bet those things are hard and dry-rotted as can be, and my first choice by far would be to replace them! If I was intent on gluing them, I'd try PL Premium polyurethane. There's not much it won't glue and it will be permanent! It DOES expand as it cures, so take precautions. (use your hose clamps, don't use a ton of it, read the directions, etc.)

rubber is in fine shape. 1940s-50s made in usa quality.

 

[zkling]

Not sure how it would work for your application, but I have used 3M Weatherstrip cement adhesive for gluing rubber tires onto a bandsaw. Somewhat similar application. You may want to flare the break so it fits tightly when glued.

As for clamps. How about something like a ratcheting strap attached to a post or something similar that would provide equal pressure around the wheel.

 

[R6 Racer]

Whatever glue & method you decide to try, more than half of your chances for success will be determined solely by the prep job you do.
If you don't get both surfaces right down to clean virgin material nothing will work.

I can't tell from the pic. Is the tire hollow to any extent?
It looks like a solid rubber tire but what I mean is: is there a hole that runs inside the tire & goes around the wheel?

That description sounds like ****. Hopefully there is such a hole & that you can understand that lousy description.

I have fix if there is. Hot going to waste time with it if it wont help.

Steve

 

[paulmars]

Is the tire hollow to any extent?

Steve

No hole.

 

[retrobuilder]

Go to a bike shop or auto tire shop and see if they have some tire patching glue or Bicycle Tubular Tire adhesive- identical to what you are doing. Other option is Urethane Gorilla Glue- just beware it can expand alot on sides.

Wire brush and remove any rust/paint off the rim.

Take a rope and wrap around the tire/rim then tie a knot so as to twist the rope tighter to clamp.

 

[MarkG]

rubber is in fine shape. 1940s-50s made in usa quality.

But the one pictured is broke. If it wasn't dried out, it probably wouldn't break, it would stretch. If it's from the 40's-50's, I'd say it's just become brittle, but you have them in your possession and we don't. From the info I read, and if you want to glue it, PL Premium will definitely do the job if you follow the directions.

Good luck. Sounds like you'll need it.

 

[srmofo]

Do you know anyone that works in a European auto body shop (BMW,Audi,Etc)?

If so, they frequently use patch panel adhesive and another adhesive that can actually bond the frame together after collision repair. It will literally glue anything to anything FOREVER. Its probably too expensive to buy for just this little project especially considering your not willing to spend $20 on a new tire, but if someone could hook you up it will work

 

[Prototyper]

Based on the appearance of that broken tire, I wouldn't waste any time on repairing it, if a new replacement is available. If the mower is solid, put some new tires on it, sharpen the blade, and you have a new mower.

If you (she) are dead set on a repair, I would definitely go with a 2-part Urethane adhesive like this: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000WSKI3E/?tag=atomicindus08-20 Due to the fact it is a catalyzed (2-part) system, it cures in a set amount of time, regardless of where it is applied. The biggest problem with all the previously recommended adhesives is they are 1-part, and require solvent to evaporate (contact cement, liquid nails, shoe goo, etc) or require moisture from the air to cure (gorilla glue, PL, etc).

The 2-part Urethane is easy to mix in a cup, apply with a brush, and it cures to a tough as nails, hard rubber consistency that sticks tenaciously to metal and rubber alike (think: tires on high quality caster wheels). Not cheap, but better than just about anything else for applications like this.

As said, finished product is only as good as the prep that was done.

 

[Abeo]

I would use windshield urethane adhesive. It bonds great, and remains flexible.

No matter what you use, prep is key... if the wheel has rust or the rubber is flaking, it won't adhere for long.

 

[paulmars]

better pics:

 

[Herb]

Yeah, the PL polyurethane ahdesive, in black, or 3M windshield urethane should be a one time pemanent repair.

 

[CNGsaves]

Also would have much better chance of that rubber ring staying on there if you use mechanical connection between the two sides like a wood-worker would use with two boards . . . . . plugs.

Drill 2 parallel holes on each side and when you glue it all back together insert 2 steel rods in those holes that are slathered in glue, plus the holes full of glue.

Once the glue sets up on everything and is dry, it should be plenty strong.

 

[paulmars]

im thinking of drilling holes in the metal wheel around the perimeter and wrapping wire thru the holes and around the plastic wheel, once its glued in place.

 

[slopdog]

I would use windshield urethane adhesive. It bonds great, and remains flexible.

No matter what you use, prep is key... if the wheel has rust or the rubber is flaking, it won't adhere for long.

+ 1 I have successfully used windshield urethane to stick rubber to metal ,Roughed up the metal sandpaper , cleaned both metal and rubber with acetone ,


a site I have used a few times , tells what glue to use . http://www.thistothat.com/cgi-bin/glue.cgi?lang=en&this=Metal&that=Rubber