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GM Mechanics....'11 GMC Acadia issues

Jason280

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A friend of mine has what seems to be a possessed '11 GMC Acadia with 98k, and its become a bit of a nightmare for her. I don't think its ever been right, even off the lot, and has finally died at the GM dealership. Its always been a bit of an oil burner, and according to her, she has to change the oil every 3k miles (otherwise level gets too low). She's never been able go by the oil change light, even when practically new.

About 6 months ago, the vehicle started pouring white smoke, and was diagnosed as a stuck injector (which was replaced). The rest of the fuel system was cleaned, and had no more issues until about 2 months ago. This time, there was a power loss while driving, and was described as "not being able to get out of 1st gear". It would idle OK, but had no power on driving. It was taken back to the shop, who got inconsistent fuel pressure readings and replaced the low pressure fuel pump. Once again, vehicle would crank and idle, but died going down the road. Went through it, and found that 2 of the 3 catalytic converters were practically melted to the frame and destroyed. Replaced the two converters with aftermarket versions, and vehicle cranked and idled fine.....but once again died going down the road.

This time, they gave up on the independent shop and had it towed to the dealer. Dealer claimed that the aftermarket converters were the problem, and that factory GM converters would fix the issue. Dealership agreed that if the new GM converters didn't fix the issue, they wouldn't be charged (and would be given back the old converters to return). Well, they swapped in the new converters, and called and said everything was fixed. Owner insisted they drive it first, and of course, it died going down the road. Got it back to the shop, and now they are claiming it will require an engine replacement. Supposedly, they ran a camera in through the intake, and can see debris from the damaged converters...and has wrecked the engine. They also claim that the aftermarket converters have already been trashed.

At this point, she has no idea how to proceed. It still sounds like a stuck/leaky injector may be an underlying issue, but I am absolutely unfamiliar with these vehicles. As far as she knows, the only code its ever thrown was "back pressure in the converters".

Any suggestions?
 
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I no longer work in this field but have heard from mechanic friends that the problem root cause is the direct injection system. Carbon builds up on the back of the intake valves. This can break off into combustion chamber & out exhaust. It can damage the cat, plug it up or brake it apart. Some can come back into the cylinder or even into intake plenum & re enter cylinder.
 

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Supposedly, they ran a camera in through the intake, and can see debris from the damaged converters...and has wrecked the engine.

If parts from the catalytic convertors has gotten to the intake, I can see there would be a problem. Exactly how it would get there would be an interesting story IMO.
 

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I've got an '11 Enclave and have had about every other problem with it, but not that one.

the DI system gets really dirty. when I did the plugs at 100k, the intake has to come off and it was a mess. really oily.

I would lean toward it needing a top end cleaning (however they do it, not too sure), and see how it goes. I assume they ruled out head gasket leak and the usual mechanical stuff.

as far as the cats, I'm no expert but a cat is a cat, the sensors will adjust based on the 02 content, why would aftermarket cats make a difference, and how would a bad cat leave debris in the engine? and why does she have aftermarket cats anyway??

sounds suspicious. OTOH, if she had oil issues AT ALL, her variable cam timing setup is junk...
 

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High oil consumption can also kill cats. They had a special policy bulletin on the 4cyl back in those years but you stated 2 of 3 cats so I am assuming its the V6. I don't know of a "back pressure" code but there certainly is inefficiency codes (po420&po421) for each bank IIRC. The converters can break up and when they do they can enter the cylinders and destroy the walls and rings similar to pouring sand into them. A stuck injector might have caused one banks converter to fail.
If it indeed a 4cyl mention the special policy,and she had better try a different independent shop and dealer too.
 

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Find a better shop. Yes, converter debris can be sucked back into the engine, but it won't make it start and idle fine, but die while driving. It will simply have low compression on the affected cylinders.

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gungatim - valve overlap is how it gets back in,at the end of the exhaust stroke the intake valve starts to open and normally its a good thing but with a plugged up cat with broken up pieces and dusty sand in there it reverses flow into the cylinder. And not all aftermarket cats are built to proper specs, I have seen some German and Asian cars set codes with replacement cats but not with OE.
 

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High oil consumption can also kill cats. They had a special policy bulletin on the 4cyl back in those years but you stated 2 of 3 cats so I am assuming its the V6. I don't know of a "back pressure" code but there certainly is inefficiency codes (po420&po421) for each bank IIRC. The converters can break up and when they do they can enter the cylinders and destroy the walls and rings similar to pouring sand into them. A stuck injector might have caused one banks converter to fail.
If it indeed a 4cyl mention the special policy,and she had better try a different independent shop and dealer too.

How does material from the converter enter the cylinder?
 

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gungatim - valve overlap is how it gets back in,at the end of the exhaust stroke the intake valve starts to open and normally its a good thing but with a plugged up cat with broken up pieces and dusty sand in there it reverses flow into the cylinder. And not all aftermarket cats are built to proper specs, I have seen some German and Asian cars set codes with replacement cats but not with OE.

wow. didn't know that was possible...still wondering why she needed new cats to begin with, ours has 115k on it now and the exhaust still looks like new, even with MIch winters and salt...I did do the O2 sensors twice though. i'll have to keep the aftermarket cat in mind if I keep the POS long enough to have to replace them...
 
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I've got to imagine there would be some serious back flow for cat material to make it all the way back into the intake...

Does it have some sort of EGR valve that could also allow carbon material from the intake valve to make its way back around?

That poor lady. Sounds like that dealer has really messed with her. I cant imagine factory cats were cheap and then they claimed them threw away the old cats when they were wrong. I WOULD NOT be paying for those new cats and hopefully she didnt.

And this is why Chrysler has not went to direct injection...

Edit: If an injector was pumping raw fuel through the engine constantly thats what melted the cats. Normally the check engine light will flash which means you need to shut the engine off RIGHT THEN before the cats melt. Most people probably dont know what that means though.
 

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No egr valve. Egr effect is created by using variable valve timing. Nissan 2.5 is the most notorious for this problem. Seen many, complaint is usually just a rough idle or cat code.

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We had lots of problems with the Fuel Pump Control module. They would cause exactly what you are describing. I saw many get diagnosed wrong. I'd almost put money on that's what the problem is. Low pressure pumps were always replaced for no reason. High pressure fuel pumps had issues also.
 

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My Sister n law had an Acadia was a great vehicle until about 80,000 miles. Always serviced at the dealer, started having electrical problems would die driving down the road just like you turned the switch off! would have to have it towed to the shop (could not jump it off) dealership would check it all out and say it needs a new battery. this went on 4 or 5 times they could not find the problem . She had them tow it to several bigger dealerships for the warranty repair no body could figure out what was wrong with it! They finally told her it was hers they threw their hands up and basically said she needed a new engine??????? they could not help her any more !!!! Told her to trade it in on a new car and let someone else worry about it !!!!!
 

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I just traded in our 2010 Acadia. First vehicle I have ever traded in but I couldn't sell it private party and keep a clear conscious.
It had 102k on it. I would get back 2.5 to 3 quarts of oil per oil change. It takes 5.5 quarts. A/C didn't work. You have to remove the entire interior from the front two seats to the dash to fix that. It needed a new steering rack. It had countless repairs done to it over the 7 years we owned it.
One time, after a repair, my wife phoned me from the car in our driveway and said the PS wasn't working. I went out and found a belt tensioner laying in the driveway. The bolt had snapped off. That bolt had to be removed and replace when they did the 2 new timing chains and gear.

Too bad, because we loved the layout and functionality of it.
We went with a Suburban this time.

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We had a Traverse. Pile of ****. The GM 3.6L is bad design. All of the Lamda chassis and some of the Camaros have the same engine. It will burn through 4 quarts of oil in a normal change cycle. Once you run low on oil, you will start to have problems with the chains. When you hear someone say 'you need new chains', replace the engine with a junk yard engine then sell it. Don't let someone talk you into a rebuilt....they dont work.

They do have an issue with dumping fuel on the cats. all of that is bad news. Aftermarket cats typically will not cut it.

At about 110k, the trans will start to slip.

The car is intended to be 100k then disposable.

Run away.
 
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