thanks guys ive been searching craigslist and ebay for awhile and am growing impatient, so im going to buy new. i really want a wilton im just having a hard time picking one. it might sound dumb but my biggest problem is that its red haha it will stick out like crazy in my garage
You came to the right place to ask about a vise. A lot of good tips here. I may add that you won't find a new, USA made, top shelf brand, quality vise, cheap. However, I would recommend a Ridgid F45 vise (pictured below). Has flat/pipe jaws, swivel base, 4 1/2" jaw size, forged, and made in Germany. I used a larger version at the last job I worked before retiring. If I needed a new one, I'd buy that. Priced at $250 (on Amazon). JMO.
Otherwise, be patient. And when you find a used one, don't fall in love with it until you look it over VERY CAREFULLY for breaks, bends, cracks.
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