Dave Maxwell
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Who makes a good Phillips bit. I've tried multiple ones. Getting tired of them stripping. I'm predrilling the holes even
good bit???
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metaleltr
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Snap-On (zepher) are pretty good. Other than that I just consider then a wear item. Buy a pack next time your at the big depot.
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Dave Maxwell
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Kind of what I thought. I have went through 7 so far.
metaleltr
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What have you been doing? How many screws have you been driving? What are you driving them with?
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Dave Maxwell
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Finishing the splash board add ons. 2 1/4 inch. Probably 60 or so screws. Using a 18v Milwaukee with torque limit set.
metaleltr
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Wow that is excessive wear! What bit brand? It is a drill driver right? Try dewalt bits, I have had good luck with them for general screwdriving, but still. wear item.
Mastermind
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roberwho? oh...square? lol....
i've had decent luck with dewalt ones, milwaukee impact ready ones seem to run small for automotive screws in my exp...haven't tried them in wood screws though.
i've had decent luck with dewalt ones, milwaukee impact ready ones seem to run small for automotive screws in my exp...haven't tried them in wood screws though.
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Dave Maxwell
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Not site on brand. Been getting them at the tool crib at work. Free but I would rather buy a decent one. I'm even leaning hard into it. Might be cheap screws. Home depot screws for treated lumber
magova1104
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I use these: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Irwin-Torsion-Philips-Bit-NEW-MOSC-/230833114729?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35beb9ce69#ht_500wt_1321
They are great! I bought them at Menards.
They are great! I bought them at Menards.
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Dave Maxwell
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Leaning hard against it. Two hands and I weigh 230.
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Dave Maxwell
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I think some of it is the screws are rounding first causing the bit to slip
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Dave Maxwell
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Thinking 3 and 4
Justin1776
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Milwaukee shockwave bit in a Dewalt bit holder is what I use daily, works very well!
greasemonkey44
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what you need is an impact driver
and square drive screws
and square drive screws
jjjrmx5
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Sounds like you are not drilling a correct sized hole.
I see it all the time in sheet metal and armor plate.
I also see it in wood with deck screws that are thin heads.
As for bits, Wiha for stds and Milwaukee Shockwaves for impact philips used for construction.
All in all I see teh screw head strip out way more than the bit fail.
Something is amisss.
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beelsr
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something's not right. does the bit fit the screwhead? maybe the screws are shallow and only the tip is engaging? i have the shockwave bits and in my bosch 18v impact, i can get them to snap if i keep the hammer going but it takes a while and after way more than 10 screws and you're using the drill not impact (since you have a clutch setting). might want to go faster, since that will be less torque and will stall the drill quicker (less torque transfer at the end of the driving of the screw).
that said, i got some apex bits from Chamkila and they are the ****. i've tried to snap them and they just laughed at me...
that said, i got some apex bits from Chamkila and they are the ****. i've tried to snap them and they just laughed at me...
TwoInch
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are you sure the screws are phillips, and not pozidriv? or one of the other phillips like screw designs..
id quit with the phillips first.
go square(robertson) or phillips/square combo screws. i have been using the combos, and like them a lot.
unless the bits are super cheap, something aint right. i have never seen them wear out that fast, even with newbies running the gun.
id quit with the phillips first.
go square(robertson) or phillips/square combo screws. i have been using the combos, and like them a lot.
unless the bits are super cheap, something aint right. i have never seen them wear out that fast, even with newbies running the gun.
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Dave Maxwell
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I'm thinking cheap bits. I forgot about the Phillips square head combo. Used those when I remodeled my kitchen
I didn't know until it was pointed out at one time, but there are impact bit and regular bits.
JML2
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The problems with Phillips screws and drivers all materialize because they were designed to cam-out, as a solution to over-torqued screws in the early days of automobile mass production. Robertson square drive and Torx are designs intended to not cam-out, so they're a better solution in the long run.
Anyway, there actually are Phillips-brand bits: http://www.phillipsfastener.com/. They're excellent anti-cam-out-rib bits. Wiha's bits are excellent, as noted. Wera are very good, but they're not ACR designs. I also have some German-made diamond-dust bits that are very good (got them from Lee Valley).
Anyway, there actually are Phillips-brand bits: http://www.phillipsfastener.com/. They're excellent anti-cam-out-rib bits. Wiha's bits are excellent, as noted. Wera are very good, but they're not ACR designs. I also have some German-made diamond-dust bits that are very good (got them from Lee Valley).
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buening
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I've become a fan of the torx bit screws myself, but for a good phillips bit I've gone to Impact-grade and they are lasting MUCH longer. I have Dewalt and Milwaukee brand, both seem about the same.
buening
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This is the Dewalt one that I have: http://www.lowes.com/pd_296783-70-D...t+impact+phillips&pl=1¤tURL=&facetInfo=
I have a Milwaukee Impact kit that has phillips and hex as well
I have a Milwaukee Impact kit that has phillips and hex as well
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Dave Maxwell
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I might get a square drive also. I'm thinking I might be blaming the bit more than the screw. Just figured the bit was shot when a screw slipped. I do have some that are wore out for sure. Going to home depot tonight and get mote screws and bits. I bought a cheap black and Decker bit set from Walmart that was garbage
beelsr
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B&D bts are ****. i midread that you were using the milwaukee shockwave - it was Justin1776. Get a few of those - they have a soft shaft so they'll twist rather than shatter at the tip - but you can still shatter the tip. There are a couple kits that will have a cheaper "per bit" price.
With the screws, make sure they don't have something stuck in the slots in the drivehead.
Robertson (square) is a good solution - long term.
With the screws, make sure they don't have something stuck in the slots in the drivehead.
Robertson (square) is a good solution - long term.
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Dave Maxwell
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Bought a 37 piece dewalt set with magnetic driver
metaleltr
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Let us know how they hold up!
Spoken like a true Canadian!
Yeah it's true but they work the best! I have never stripped one.
.rlitman
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Those are very good impact bits.
These are my favorite.
On that note, the DeWalt impact bits ****.
There are two things that separate a true impact bit, from a poser.
1) they are forged (anything else is likely to break under heavy impact use)
2) they have a machined "waist"
You can see the waist as a silver narrow part on the black Milwaukee bits, or in the blue part on the Irwin impact bits.
The waist is designed to twist a little bit, just like a torque limiting impact socket, which keeps the bit and screw from being damaged by the impact.
Oh, and ACR ribs on a bit only help if the screw itself has ACR ribs to mate with. If you only have the ribs on one of the two, they do nothing (they may even make things more likely to slip).