got lucky - i think

flemrasm · Sep 22, 2015

Hi, over the past 3 weeks I got lucky - twice, first I had a call from a friend, one of his friends just bought a house, and with it a big ol drillpress he didn't want, did I want to have it for free? - yes sir! its a local (Danish) build unit, don't know much about it yet, except the factory that made them closed down the year I was born

, 1971, its in ok condition, but with some pitting in the paint, I will start restoring it right away

the table has a cross slide attached and that's what im starting with..
it cleans up pretty well

I noticed that the table does not have gears to move it up and down, and with the cross slide attached its close to 100kg, anybody have any good ideas how to lower/raise it ? i´m thinking about some sort of winch..

so on to my second stroke of luck, in the local craiglist equivalent I saw an add for a old Lathe, for free, I went and picked it up, unfortunately I didn´t get any pictures of it before I disassembled it, but heres a few of the bed and cross slide, there are no names on it, anyone recognize the design?

the bed is approx. 60", the chuck is driven by belts

everything is rusted, but im hoping only surface

, i´m looking forward to renovating these two

regards
Flemming

catalytic · Sep 22, 2015

Google 'electrolysis rust removal'. I've tried everything, and after many restorations, my preferences are 1. evaporust for smaller parts (maybe not available near you?); 2. electrolysis, which works even for large parts. Use scotch brite + a soft brass wire wheel to clean things up afterwards. Alternatively, if you have a media blast place nearby, then just take the whole lathe there and have them blast it with plastic beads.

rockwithjason · Sep 22, 2015

that kinda looks like an atlas lathe. google some pics and see if it matches

Packard V8 · Sep 22, 2015

What's "YOU ****!" in Danish?

jack vines

1990 Grand Wag · Sep 22, 2015

Wow......................you ****!!!

flemrasm · Sep 23, 2015

rockwithjason said:
that kinda looks like an atlas lathe. google some pics and see if it matches

it looks like the atlas lathes has the carriage handwheel in the opposite side of the cross slide, I´m combing through the library at www.lathes.co.uk, but haven't found a match still

Packard V8 said:
What's "YOU ****!" in Danish?

jack vines

"SVIN" works

flemrasm · Oct 5, 2015

slow progress but still progress, took the crosstable apart and started cleaning it up, heres a picture from when I picked it up..

a few progress pics

and how it stands now..cleaning and relouping really helped, it runs smoothly now

im looking for advice on two things, how to keep the top rust free - its going to be sitting in a non isolated shed, so it will be exposed, is oiling it the only option ?
the handles has been treated with clear powder coat, but the bed is too big to fit in my oven :-(

how to thoroughly clean the t-slots

regards
Flemming

Burgerkong · Oct 5, 2015

flemrasm said:
im looking for advice on two things, how to keep the top rust free - its going to be sitting in a non isolated shed, so it will be exposed, is oiling it the only option ?
the handles has been treated with clear powder coat, but the bed is too big to fit in my oven :-(

how to thoroughly clean the t-slots

regards
Flemming

Most people used paste wax, warm the piece up, then wipe on wax and buff it off. Repeat for couple times. Orr you can get cans of rust inhibitor, like LPS3, Boe Shield, or plain olf WD-40 (but it evaporates relatively quickly since it's a fairly light oil).

2oolhound · Oct 5, 2015

Regarding raising and lowering the table consider a counter weight. If you suspend a pulley under the motor you can hang a pipe full of lead etc of the same weight as the table from the pulley and attach the other end of the cable to the table.

This is how studio camera stands were built. The lead weight traveled inside the column. The cross arm in this photo is 4' wide and 8x10 cameras could be mounted on each side. This would easily weigh 100 lbs all totalled.

royesses · Oct 5, 2015

Wow you have suckage coming. Cheap table lift - pulley on top and a come along to ratchet it up and down.

spongerich · Oct 5, 2015

That's not a lathe, that's a lathe kit!

Nice score.

flemrasm · Oct 6, 2015

thanks 2oolhound, had not thought of that, seems like the simplest solution, provided i can make a 160pound counterweight that dosent take up all the space

spongerich said:
That's not a lathe, that's a lathe kit!

Nice score.

well it is now, but when i collected it, it was in one piece

, had to take it apart as i was moving it by myself, and even then the pieces was really heavy

just found the pic from the add where i got it, gives a good sence of it

the motor is gigantic,i have a replacement motor for it, as im afraid this one is a bit overkill for my application, the lathe as been working in B&W shipyard in Copenhagen i´we been told, turning cast iron parts, i´m mostly turning aluminum and soft steel, so i dont think i need the same kind of torgue.. pls guys, correct me if I´m wrong here

reg
Flemming

Fretters · Oct 6, 2015

flemrasm said:
it looks like the atlas lathes has the carriage handwheel in the opposite side of the cross slide, I´m combing through the library at www.lathes.co.uk, but haven't found a match still

To me eye, bits of the styling have a look of Ehrlich about them.

flemrasm · Oct 8, 2015

next up is the foot, unfortunately the previous owner has cut a chunk out of one side.. before pics

flemrasm · Oct 16, 2015

so got a little further,

details from the table

and now I startet taking the head apart

G_P · Oct 16, 2015

To keep the bare steel table from rusting, get some Johnson's paste wax or the equivalent. Put a thin coat on the bare steel and it will stay rust free.

flemrasm · Oct 16, 2015

Thanks, i'll keep that in mind, can i use wax on the pole as well, right now i just covered it with oil

Flemming

404 · Oct 16, 2015

The cut out in the foot may be for a drip or catch tray to collect cutting fluid that drips thru the grate I have marked in red.

flemrasm · Oct 16, 2015

404 said:
The cut out in the foot may be for a drip or catch tray to collect cutting fluid that drips thru the grate I have marked in red.

Didnt think of that, makes sence :lol:

thanks
Flemming

ddawg16 · Oct 16, 2015

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du suger

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Shiftless · Oct 16, 2015

G_P said:
To keep the bare steel table from rusting, get some Johnson's paste wax or the equivalent. Put a thin coat on the bare steel and it will stay rust free.

Another vote for Johnsons paste wax. Also, consider boiled linseed oil. It takes a while to harden, but with age and multiple coats, it gives a really nice old iron patina. Just wipe on thin coats.

404 · Oct 16, 2015

flemrasm said:
Didnt think of that, makes sence thanks
Flemming

Do you write English yourself or is everything through google translate?

Thanks,
404

ezover · Oct 16, 2015

i have a older drill press that uses a old V.W. jack to raise and lower the table.

Lassen Forge · Oct 16, 2015

I wonder with that cross slide if they were using it as a mill as well as a drill press?

On my old scroll saw, once I got the rust off and the working top cleaned and buffed, I shot it with clear lacquer. About 10 light coats, drying between them. The reason I went with that (rather than Johnsons Paste Wax) was it gave the top an extremely smooth surface, and if it gets nicked or scratched it can be redone pretty fast, tho that has yet to happen.

I use Johnsons on my Table Saw, it works fine but I have to keep an eye on it, as in humid weather it can break down.

flemrasm · Oct 17, 2015

404 said:
Do you write English yourself or is everything through google translate?

Thanks,
404

Should I use google translate? I know my english is not perfect, and i am sorry if that offends, I try my best

Flemming

404 · Oct 17, 2015

flemrasm said:
Should I use google translate? I know my english is not perfect, and i am sorry if that offends, I try my best

Flemming

Hi,
Your english is perfect. It does not offend.
I was just curious. My ability in your language is zero. Well done on your english.

:beer:

ChevyEFI · Oct 17, 2015

flemrasm said:
Should I use google translate? I know my english is not perfect, and i am sorry if that offends, I try my best

Flemming

No. You are making a great effort and no apologies are needed.

I feel that a man who uses a GPS never learns locations.

404 said:
My ability in your language is zero. Well done on your english.

Ditto this.

zkling · Dec 21, 2015

That is one heck of a nice drill press! Just keep in mind it is not a milling machine. I really like the "Made in Denmark".

Hell, your English is better than that of many people, including some on this forum, that were born speaking english.

iajonesy · Dec 21, 2015

That lathe could well be a very old Clausing-Colechester. They were a very good lathe and might still be manufactured in England.

Your English is very good and I'm embarrassed to say, better than most Americans speak it and write it.

Mike

flemrasm · Dec 21, 2015

zkling said:
That is one heck of a nice drill press! Just keep in mind it is not a milling machine. I really like the "Made in Denmark"..

I´m a novice with regards to milling, I would primarily use this for Aluminum, would you say it better to use the lathe once I get this set up?

reg.
Flemming

flemrasm · Dec 21, 2015

iajonesy said:
That lathe could well be a very old Clausing-Colechester. They were a very good lathe and might still be manufactured in England.

Your English is very good and I'm embarrassed to say, better than most Americans speak it and write it.

Mike

thanks, I've refurbished the legs and are working on the bed, so far not a single sign of any make :-(, the headstock is next, everything is rusted so I need to take it apart, there are a few features that I would think could give me pointers towards the make, but so far no luck.

regards
Flemming

zkling · Dec 21, 2015

flemrasm said:
I´m a novice with regards to milling, I would primarily use this for Aluminum, would you say it better to use the lathe once I get this set up?

reg.
Flemming

A drill press is not a mill.
A drill press is not a mill.
A drill press is not a mill.

The lathe can do some milling, although limited.

Steevo · Dec 22, 2015

That drill press is a nice one, and you are doing a beautiful job of restoring it.
Here are a couple of pictures of the table lift I put on my drill press.

I used a trailer tongue jack:

It is attached with two u-bolts (exhaust clamps) and two short lengths of uni-strut:

It provides a good range of travel:

And can be pivoted sideways if I have a need to lower the table even more.

flemrasm · Dec 29, 2015

Hi Steevo, that trailer jack is sweet, I need to copy that, thanks

the drill press is close to finished now, installed the motor - a deplacement as the original was 380v and i only have 220v in my shed - its just powerful enough to run it, but ill keep lookout for a more powerful motor

I´ll take a full shot of it later, it runs good, I´m very pleased with it

now on to the lathe - I started by cleaning and repainting the legs and bed ( still need to clean the ways though, and i found out that part of the bed can be removed to create more room to turn larger pieces i guess

i got them cleaned, prepped and painted, and my drawers just fit between the lathe legs - they´ll be painted same color( sorry for the bad pic )

I started on the headstock now, still no names anywhere, but all gears and parts are stamped with numbers..the headstock had bronze bushings rather than ball bearings - i guess that means its older than i thought.. as I´m still hoping to find out what make it is, here are a few pics of the disassembled headstock, hopefully someone will recognize it

, the bushings are tapered with a lock ring in each end, so I´m able to tighten them, there are grease-******* on top of the headstock, what is the best lubricant for bronze bushings?

headstock with everything removed

tapered bushing

bushings in place

thanks
Flemming

flemrasm · Jan 10, 2016

headstock done & in place

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started on the removable piece of the bed & the cross sled & chuck

I have been searching on to fint the make of it, and it bears some resemblance with rossia lathes, but not entirely, theres a number of german lathes with the same bed layout..hopefully I´ll know one day

flemming

404 · Jan 10, 2016

Great job and well done. Looks fantastic. :thumbup:

Richard Cranium · Jan 10, 2016

they look great keep up the good work

zkling · Jan 10, 2016

Is that pulley stepped 6 times or just 3 for a double drive? Hard to tell from pics. Both are very interesting machines.

nine4gmc · Jan 10, 2016

Good find and great job on restoring them!

flemrasm · Jan 10, 2016

zkling said:
Is that pulley stepped 6 times or just 3 for a double drive? Hard to tell from pics. Both are very interesting machines.

Its 3 steps for double pulley
Flemming

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