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Cryptic1911

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Got our mill today:

Bridgeport series 1 j-head, 36" table, vise, 3phase motor, one shot oiler, and it came with a keyless chuck. I picked up a bunch of stuff last week to get us started, all the basic miscellaneous stuff like collets and endmills, parallel blocks, etc.

Luckily the guy had a forklift, so we didn't have to manually load it via the lift gate
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All strapped down, crossed our fingers that it wouldn't fall off on the way home
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Whew! made it home in one piece
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Had to rotate the head to roll it under our 4 post lift to get to the other side of the garage.. gonna have to tram it now
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Good job. You may want to consider moving it out from the corner about another 8 inches, as you will constantly need to sight things from the ends of the table. I sometimes sight things from behind the table, so make sure you have side wall clearance with the table run out to the limits in both directions.
 

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I got my bridgy powered up on its new 230v single phase motor today. It took a little head scratching to get the forward and reverse to work.
 

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I wouldn't place a mill in the corner...Along comes lengthy material that's extends far beyond the table length and your messed up...How are you getting it off the pallet...?
 
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Well, we're planning to make some kind of rolling stand for it so we can move it around if we need to. To get it off the pallet, we have an engine hoist, or we could run a chainfall up to the pallet rack that is going back over top of that. We already had some there, but took it down this morning, and are going to repaint / reinstall. As for the price, it was $1500
 

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I have one on a rolling stand, myself...Have never tried to actually use it that way, though...I've used an engine hoist to put them together...Never to actually pick one up...

$1,500 was fair...W/vise...! After all, it doesn't have any read-out...Trav-A-Dials would have been nice...I've used just the dials on the machine and they get you pretty close...Just remember the back-lash...Have fun and Enjoy...! Kevin
 

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Well, we're planning to make some kind of rolling stand for it so we can move it around if we need to. To get it off the pallet, we have an engine hoist, or we could run a chainfall up to the pallet rack that is going back over top of that. We already had some there, but took it down this morning, and are going to repaint / reinstall. As for the price, it was $1500

Someone in the Fab section posted up a base that they made to set a Bridgeport on. The way it was designed, it left the mill just a tad above the floor but was made in a way that it had heavy duty casters on it. Picture a "Z" laying sideways.

Just out of curiosity, how are you going to tram it? Most people will tram a mill directly off of the table and use a piece of paper or a scale to lift the needle of the indicator up from the table slots. If you get a chance sometime, and know someone that has a large wet grinder, have them grind you up a steel plate, maybe 12"x12" square and at least 3/8" thick. You can set that on the table and not have to worry about the needle dropping into the table slots and having a chance of error. You can also put a set of 2" gage blocks in the vise without clamping them, then set the tramming plate on those to tram the mill off of your vise.

As far as your mill being in the corner, if you don't get a rolling base made for a while, at least have it out far enough from the walls, so you can get behind it to sweep comfortably. You may want to also put something like corrugated metal on the two walls, so far down each wall to keep chips and other materials from hitting the wall if you plan to do any flycutting. Just my $.02 on it.
 

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Well, we're planning to make some kind of rolling stand for it so we can move it around if we need to. To get it off the pallet, we have an engine hoist, or we could run a chainfall up to the pallet rack that is going back over top of that. We already had some there, but took it down this morning, and are going to repaint / reinstall. As for the price, it was $1500

That's a nice deal!
 

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Nice mill. I used to work with a guy that could change gears/rpm damn near as fast as I could with variable speed. He was good old-timer. As for tramming, we always tram off the vice. Sometimes with a square block in the vice.
 

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Variable speed can be nice...But there's nothing wrong w/j-head...I don't see the problem w/the "tramming"...I just pick-up the tip with my finger as I go over slots...No problem...
 

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If you have the pallet jack I see always available I would just build a base that will allow you to move it with the pallet jack and save the money you would have to spend on wheels
To tram the mill get an old disc brake rotor and have it turned then turn the center hub out of it and bam you have a great tramming plate

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my engine lift with a 5 ton cylinder won't lift my bridgeport without first removing the head and table. That how I was able to load and unload mine by myself. I pinch bar will move it around as long as an inch at a time is ok.
 
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Someone in the Fab section posted up a base that they made to set a Bridgeport on. The way it was designed, it left the mill just a tad above the floor but was made in a way that it had heavy duty casters on it. Picture a "Z" laying sideways.

Just out of curiosity, how are you going to tram it? Most people will tram a mill directly off of the table and use a piece of paper or a scale to lift the needle of the indicator up from the table slots. If you get a chance sometime, and know someone that has a large wet grinder, have them grind you up a steel plate, maybe 12"x12" square and at least 3/8" thick. You can set that on the table and not have to worry about the needle dropping into the table slots and having a chance of error. You can also put a set of 2" gage blocks in the vise without clamping them, then set the tramming plate on those to tram the mill off of your vise.

As far as your mill being in the corner, if you don't get a rolling base made for a while, at least have it out far enough from the walls, so you can get behind it to sweep comfortably. You may want to also put something like corrugated metal on the two walls, so far down each wall to keep chips and other materials from hitting the wall if you plan to do any flycutting. Just my $.02 on it.

I looked pretty heavily the other day for bridgeport stands / rolling carts for ideas, and I saw a few that I really liked. One guy made a set where its using some large C channel, and it's got a removable front, so you can slide the mill into it, then bolt the front piece on, and it had some heavy duty wheels, but sat fairly close to the floor

hadn't thought about flying chips, but thats not a bad idea. We could probably do something like that

I bought a cheap spindle clamp and dial test indicator to tram it. Yeah, I know.. I'm going to go trolling flea markets and tag sales this spring to pick up some nicer stuff, but I just want to get it close enough for now without spending a zillion bucks

Nice mill. I used to work with a guy that could change gears/rpm damn near as fast as I could with variable speed. He was good old-timer. As for tramming, we always tram off the vice. Sometimes with a square block in the vice.

I'll just pop the vise off and tram it from the table. I need to get / make some shorter vise jaws for it anyways, so I might not use it for a bit

Variable speed can be nice...But there's nothing wrong w/j-head...I don't see the problem w/the "tramming"...I just pick-up the tip with my finger as I go over slots...No problem...

That was my idea too, pick it up, or a piece of paper. I've seen people use a straight dial indicator, but it had a big bulb so it went over the t-slots

If you have the pallet jack I see always available I would just build a base that will allow you to move it with the pallet jack and save the money you would have to spend on wheels
To tram the mill get an old disc brake rotor and have it turned then turn the center hub out of it and bam you have a great tramming plate

That pallet jack isn't ours, but I might pick one up on craigslist or something since it's so handy. As for the brake rotor, that's not a bad idea at all actually.
 
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Well, we finally got it all wired up, and it seems to work great.

We had to remove the original fwd/reverse box on the head, and made an adapter to mount a regular metal box for a 12/3 bx cable and a terminal strip. We connected the wires from the motor to the vfd, made a drop cord for the vfd to plug into our 30ft long extension cord for the welder (temp setup), and then programmed all the parameters for the motor into the vfd. It fired right up the first shot, but we did have to swap to phases to correct the rotation.

I clamped up an old PC heatsink and cut some grooves and stuff in it to play around and see how it all worked

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Just starting to cut

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Yay, chips!
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You need "parralell's" under the work there buddy or the work will be forced down quick...Don't really need the tall jaws, either...Now...What/how do you reverse the rotation quickly, like when your tapping holes...? I need a switch within reach...Maybe your arms are longer...lol

Your still going to have problems being in that corner...I'd move along side of the wall...But, that's me I guess...You'll see

I like to have the brake and switch close together...
 
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You need "parralell's" under the work there buddy or the work will be forced down quick...Don't really need the tall jaws, either...Now...What/how do you reverse the rotation quickly, like when your tapping holes...? I need a switch within reach...Maybe your arms are longer...lol

Your still going to have problems being in that corner...I'd move along side of the wall...But, that's me I guess...You'll see

I like to have the brake and switch close together...

I used a set of parallels to level the piece, tapped it down, and then clamped it well. It wasn't going anywhere. I wrenched on it pretty good to make sure. I wouldn't have gotten the tall jaws, but that's what were on there. They used tall jaws for something they made at the shop where it came from, and they didn't have any shorter ones. I will probably just cut this set in half and make another set.

We plan to make a control panel to mount to the knee that has start / stop, fwd / reverse, and a speed potentiometer right there within arms reach. All we have to do for that is run a piece of wire like ethernet cable or something (no real voltage - it just shorts a few pins) to a handful of switches back to the rs-485 terminals on the vfd, and then swap one setting. Then we can do it all from right there. For temporary to get it fired up, we can hit the button to swap fwd / reverse if we need it
 
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Cool...I'd leave the paralells under the work regardless...I would consider mounting the new switch up near the brake, though...Instead of the knee...You will find it nice to have them close together...Good Luck
 
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Oh and I trammed the head in both directions today to get everything straight. It was a little bit of a pain to figure it out at first, but once you see how it works, it's pretty simple. That said, I think I'm gonna get one of those spindle squares with the dual indicators on it just for ease of use, even though I know how to do it the old fashioned way
 

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I need a switch within reach...Maybe your arms are longer...lol
Your still going to have problems being in that corner...I'd move along side of the wall...But, that's me I guess...You'll see I like to have the brake and switch close together...

The control location is temporary just to get it operational. Needed to check it out. It will have a remote control panel later. There is a lot more room around the mill in that corner than it looks. The picture makes it look jammed in there. It is actually 7ft +/- from that back wall.
 

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It can become a habit to use the brake a lot...Habit, I guess...Makes the boss think your fast...lol I use it every time turn-off the machine...!
 

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I used a set of parallels to level the piece, tapped it down, and then clamped it well. It wasn't going anywhere. I wrenched on it pretty good to make sure. I wouldn't have gotten the tall jaws, but that's what were on there. They used tall jaws for something they made at the shop where it came from, and they didn't have any shorter ones. I will probably just cut this set in half and make another set.

We plan to make a control panel to mount to the knee that has start / stop, fwd / reverse, and a speed potentiometer right there within arms reach. All we have to do for that is run a piece of wire like ethernet cable or something (no real voltage - it just shorts a few pins) to a handful of switches back to the rs-485 terminals on the vfd, and then swap one setting. Then we can do it all from right there. For temporary to get it fired up, we can hit the button to swap fwd / reverse if we need it

Don't shitcan those tall jaws. If you have parts that you have to set on an angle using a Sine Bar, the tall jaws come in very handy. I have a drawing for jaws for a Kurt vise, but I don't have a drawing for a Bridgeport Vise or I'd post it up here. With that being a Bridgeport vise, the dimensions will be in Standard dimensions and not metric. More than likely it will be in 1/16" increments. A Kurt vise is 15/16" from the bottom up and 3 7/8" from center to center in the horizontal dimension.

If you go to a place like Reid Supply, they usually have the best prices, order you a piece of either Air hardening (A2) or a piece of Oil Hardening (O-1) tool steel. The oil hardening for a piece of 18" length is $54, and a piece of Air Hardening is $117.

Oil hardening in the state that you purchase is already tough but machinable. It can be hardened with a Rosebud and a vat of oil to quench it in, but it would have to be ground after hardening it. For a set of vise jaws, it will work great without hardening it, IF you are careful that you make sure that there are no chips stuck to anything when you clamp something up. If you have chips or burrs, you will have indentations that you will have to stone down. If I had a surface grinder, I'd make you up a set for the cost of material, but sadly, I don't have a grinder.

When you order your material, order a piece of 3/4" thick x 2" wide, and it will be 18" long. Cut your jaw length a little longer than what your vise is wide. This will allow you to use a clamp on the end if need be. If you have 1/2"-13 cap screws holding the jaws on, you'll want to drill your bolt holes at 1/2" for your through hole, then counterbore a little more that a 3/4" diameter pocket at .550 deep.

Measure up your bolt locations and let me know what they are and I may cut loose with a set of jaws I have for a very reasonable price. The ones I have, has a "vee" groove running horizontal through the jaws to hold round or square stock, plus a "vee" groove running vertical to hold round or square stock. I can't use them on the Chinese vise I have and I'm not going to redrill my vise, nor am I going to buy another vise as this one is fine. It's just that my vise has a ******* hole spread vs. what my jaws are.

Also, if you plan on doing a considerable amount of machining, you need to pick up some 3/4" thick aluminum. The aluminum works great for making temporary jaws for specific parts you may have.

When it comes to putting switches on the mill, just make sure that you mount them where they will not be in the road. A Bridgeport with power feed, if you have to turn the spindle off, the table keeps moving. So you don't want a switch in the way where you may accidently bump it and shut something off. What I had to do with my machine at work was add a switch extension for the on and off switch and it drops the on & off down below the quill feed lever. I also made a longer brake extension so I could reach it due to my arm limitation.
 

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Whenever you set up on the parallels, hammer the part down with a dead blow hammer. If you can move the parallels afterward, you are not set up properly. Indicate the bottom of the vise also. It needs to be true to prevent milling a taper. First rule of machining for you, other than safety, is never assume ANYTHING. On critical operations, measure every drill bit right before you chuck it. If not, you will learn why. Never remove a part immediately after milling. Think first. Make sure everything is as needed before removing that part, or you may blow the next step in the operation. Make a 8 inch long bar with a T shaped linear profile, to clamp in the vise, with various tapped holes in it to hold odd size and shaped parts. You can even mill curved slots in parts with it. Control the situation and you control the job.
 

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I've had my Bridgeport clone for about a year now. I don't use it much. But it is solution to a lot of problems I encounter in my projects and it prevents a lot of frustration. Same thing with my lathe. Self reliance is a good thing to have.
 

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What they said. Too darn stuffed in the corner. Move it way out.....and off the pallet.
FWIW, long ago I found the corner thing sucked. Looked good, just wasn't usable.

Other than that happy machining.
 

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Glad to see you got the mill home. Before you get too involved with making chips, I would highly suggest a bit of preventative maintenance - pull the table to take a peek at the knee elevation gears and oil passageways. Its a pretty straightforward task, only takes about 30 mins (maybe a lil longer the first time), and there are service and parts manuals freely downloaded from various sites online to help guide you.

Chips tend to collect inside the knee and will pile on top of the elevation gears with normal use, making the knee a lil harder to crank. The pic below was inside my Bport after the initial pass with the shop vac, when I could finally see the gears but with it still nasty. Before I cleaned it out, my arm would get worn out per Bport norm. After I cleaned it out, I can now crank the table up/down w/two fingers. Just as a FYI, this mill was NOT abused and these chips are normal.

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Also, while the table is off shoot some brake cleaner and/or poke pipe cleaners throughout the oil passageways to make sure theyre ALL clear. Those one-shot oilers are nice, but its not uncommon for one passageway to clog over time and you will never notice it due to the oil going elsewhere.
 
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I might give that a go at some point, but I have a feeling this one is fairly clean since the knee goes down like butter, and goes up almost as well, but obviously with slightly more effort because of the weight. I might stuff one of those inspection cameras in there to see if I can look at it without having to disassemble half the machine
 

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I might give that a go at some point, but I have a feeling this one is fairly clean since the knee goes down like butter, and goes up almost as well, but obviously with slightly more effort because of the weight. I might stuff one of those inspection cameras in there to see if I can look at it without having to disassemble half the machine

You don't need an inspection camera, just grab your little telescoping mirror. You can get "way" guards that are made from rubber and fastened on the front of the column to keep chips out. A lot of mills have them, a lot of them don't. The bad thing about having them is that if you are cutting steel, then the hot chips will melt into the rubber. If you don't have them, then you get chips inside.

What you may want to do, and I have one here and made one for work, was to get some 3/16" diameter steel tubing and make up a 3' extension for your air hose. Put a slight bend in the end. This will let you stick the end in the table opening underneath and keep it blowed out without getting **** all over you. It also let's you stand up and keep the machine blowed out underneath as you'll have chips under there also. You'll be surprised where you'll find chips at. And don't tuck your shirt in. That way the chips will fall through instead of working their way down to the peepee zone :shocking::willy_nil

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its a chinese huanyang 1.5kw

this is the one I got, although they changed it from a $117.99 Buy it now w/ free shipping to $150 obo

http://www.ebay.com/itm/180775133782?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

The manual is kinda hard to follow, but it's fairly simple to setup once you get down to it. I found a youtube clip where a guy was talking about how he had set his up, so I just modified his settings to match our motor, and it worked like a dream
 

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I really appreciate your latest threads, as I am rebuilding an old US Machine Vertical, and have alot of the same questions...

I made a mobile base for my mill which allows for jacking feet, forklift pockets, and 4- 4" 700# Albion swivel casters....



I programmed the main pieces into my CNC plasma table, so if you would like the same cutout, lemme know via PM.

Good luck and keep us updated!
 

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I wouldn't place a mill in the corner...Along comes lengthy material that's extends far beyond the table length and your messed up...How are you getting it off the pallet...?


Agreeing with you wholeheartedly that you should try to avoid puting a Bridgeport in a corner. Always put it in the middle of the wall for long pieces.
 
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