Got these old tools today. Flathead stuff?

[poppinjohnnies]

I believe that this K-D model 700 valve spring compressor and the Sunnen tool (valve keeper tool?) are for old flathead engines. Anyone know?

 

[454ragtop]

Spring compressor is for old flatheads for sure. Can't really see what the Sunnen tool looks like, suspect it may have something to do with flathead valve guide retainers.

 

[poppinjohnnies]

Here are a couple more pics of the other tool.

 

[454ragtop]

It's a keeper tool, unsure whether for the keepers on the valve stem, or the keeper for the guide in the block, suspect the valve stem keepers. There's a few on Ebay right now.

 

[Gmonkee]

I have a valve spring tool just like that. Nice robust tool but not too useful anymore.

 

[Carla]

Yes, that Sunnen tool was meant for use on many makes of 'flat head' sixes and straight eights......and it is a real convenience when replacing the little keepers on the valve stem.

Remember, before lifting the springs to remove the keepers, pack the oil drain openings under the valve springs with suitable scraps of shop rags, lest you fumble a keeper (they are small, and slippery) and have it drop down into the oil pan.

cheers

Carla

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Nice find, poppinjohnnies! What is the patent number on it? I’m guessing it’s the Kulp-Dellinger 2,064,264 patent, and probably dates to the late 1930’s or 1940’s. Could be wartime. I could be wrong, but it doesn't look like the 1950 patent (2,533,121) design to me.

Here is a late 1940’s K-D No. 700 Valve Lifter pictured with a K-D No. 605 Two-Piece Keeper Inserter.

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More pictures of the two-piece inserter and its original box

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To view the K-D Lifter patent (2,064,264, Dec 1936) on the USPTO site, click here.

To view the K-D Inserter patent (1,850,268, Mar 1932) on the USPTO site, click here.

Here are some photos of the first Kulp-Dellinger valve lifter with the original KAY-DEE trademark. Marked SPECIAL, no model number. No patent, either, just “PAT’D 11.23.20”, but the patent has been tracked down (1,359,814).

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To view the first K-D Lifter patent on the USPTO site, click here.

And here, pictured with a pair of valve grinders made by Zim (also made valve lifters and related tools) and Duro Metal Products, is an even earlier valve spring lifter, made by Vlchek, and patented by Vlchek (1,159,626) in March 1914!

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To view the 1914 Vlchek patent on the USPTO site, click here.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Sorry for bombarding your thread with photos. I had to scratch the itch!

I will make a plea, too...

If anyone ever runs into one of these (Wilde No 675), please contact me! I will be a highly motivated buyer or trader!!

 

[ttpete]

I've used those tools on old side valve engines. The most recent one was the 4 cylinder Jeep engine that's used in my generator. I recall doing a valve job on a straight 8 Packard. To get at the valves, the head came off, and then the front of the car went on jack stands and a front wheel came off. Then the panel on the inner fender was removed to access the valve chamber covers. You sat on the brake drum and removed 16 springs and keepers then went up top and removed the valves and ground the seats. After reconditioning the valves, they were re-installed and the valve lash set and everything was buttoned up.

It's a lot different than pulling an intake and a pair of heads off and letting the machine shop recondition them like we do today, isn't it?

 

[Private Lugnutz]

That's a lot of work for a valve job, ttpete.

Funny you should mention Jeep. A Go-Devil engine is the reason for me seeking a Wilde No. 675! Every WWII 2nd echelon support unit had a valve spring compressor, FSN 41-L-1410, for servicing Willys MB and Ford GPW flatheads. A Wilde No. 675 is the compressor depicted in the Tech Manual, so it's more desirable, but it was a Clark-Feather patent, and there were a bunch of licensed knock-offs in that era, including Blue-Point, New Britain, OTC, and Cornwell. The K-D 700 (1936) is also considered a very plausible motor pool substitute.

 

[Boringgeoff]

Hello, my first post here, resurrecting this nearly year old thread. I've recently got this KD No 605 Valve Keeper Inserter tool marked Pat Applied For. My research into it lead me to you guys, and I've been having an interesting read.
In Lugnutz posted photos there is a later model of my tool with a link to the USPTO in which the patentee refers to an earlier model which I assumed was the other patent date shown on the tool handle. No joy there so I'm hoping someone can point me in the right direction to find the patent relevant to my model in the attached photo.
My first car when I left school in 1964 was a 1937 Austin 7. I sure wish I had a valve tool like that then. I had an older brother who was advising me (by phone) how to give the engine a valve grind. Reassembling it I dropped a couple of collets into the sump. He came out to the farm on the weekend with a new sump gasket and when we took the pan off there were about six or eight collets lying in there, so I wasn't the first butter-fingers to work on that engine.
Cheers,
Geoff.

 

[Bellaireroad]

Can’t help with the patent, but welcome to the forum !


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[rapid31]

I just joined today ,looks like a very interesting site. I have a vintage snap on tool box and was told to check out this site.

 

[lancer2020]

Hello: NEW User here. Don't know the ropes yet but, it looks interesting here. I have been given a USED Sunnen, Ford Flathead Valve Keeper Insertion tool to sell for my neighbor. She was given a huge amount of tools and parts from her late Father-In-Laws machine shop. I have been helping her sell some of these items. When searching the web, I came across this site and saw a picture of another Sunnen insertion tool like the one I have to sell for her. BUT, I don't know exactly how it works nor if it is only for FORD Flatheads like it was tagged??? Can anyone shed some light on this tool for me? Thanks, Lance

 

[ttpete]

Hello: NEW User here. Don't know the ropes yet but, it looks interesting here. I have been given a USED Sunnen, Ford Flathead Valve Keeper Insertion tool to sell for my neighbor. She was given a huge amount of tools and parts from her late Father-In-Laws machine shop. I have been helping her sell some of these items. When searching the web, I came across this site and saw a picture of another Sunnen insertion tool like the one I have to sell for her. BUT, I don't know exactly how it works nor if it is only for FORD Flatheads like it was tagged??? Can anyone shed some light on this tool for me? Thanks, Lance

I've worked on plenty of Ford flatheads and have never seen anything like that.

The name Sunnen is a company that is well known for honing machines and their associated equipment.

 

[Lassen Forge]

Looks like the keeper tool up at the top of the thread... inline engines.