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ez-duzit

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Seeing all these threads on trying to fit an expensive lift in too small a space makes me wonder why more people don't instead install a grease pit. When I did my first engine swap, in the '50's, my uncle let me use the grease pit in his garage. This was a simple concrete affair with steps at one end and a ledge on both sides to support heavy planks, fitted flush with the floor, to cover the hole when not in use.

Why isn't a grease pit more common these days? Seems a very economical alternative. Anybody ever used one?
 
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Built one for a guy in Wv a few years ago when I built his garage.I do not know how it worked out for him.Kind of forgot about it,maybe I should take a ride out and ask him.
 

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Because they are dark, dank and inconvenient perhaps? IMHO one of the best things about a lift is being able to lift a vehicle just a little to prevent having to stoop over.
 

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This comes up a lot. For cars, lifts are better. For trucks I'll take a pit over a lift any day.

Most the dangers are way overblown. It's just a hole in the ground. Don't fall in it, don't have drunken dance parties with the pit uncovered, clean up what you spill in it, and don't take naps lying in the bottom of it in a shop full of noxious fumes.
 

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They have grease pits at the oil-change place near the house. I imagine that they were sized for someone of average height. I'd spend the whole day hunched over. No thanks.
 

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Also, retrofitting a pit would cost a lot more $$ than a two post lift


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Why isn't a grease pit more common these days? Seems a very economical alternative. Anybody ever used one?

Economical, how so? Done properly I doubt it. In most cases it will be cheaper easier and all around better in the long run to get a mid rise or two post lift.
 
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ez-duzit

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Even if it cost more for the grease pit, at least you don't have a lift in your way all the time.

The storm shelter approach is genius. Never thought about .gov limiting our choices (they're here to help. :scared: ).
 

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Even if it cost more for the grease pit, at least you don't have a lift in your way all the time.

The storm shelter approach is genius. Never thought about .gov limiting our choices (they're here to help. :scared: ).

But with a lift you don't have a super deep hole in the floor that can't structurally hold weight, could fill with xyz, if not maintained become a home to all sorts of fun creatures. If you move a lift can easily be taken with you unlike a pit. The next owners won't be like WTF is up with this hole in the floor. Lifts are much easier to add to an existing structure. I could go on.

With a pit you limit your options for a good bit of basic maintenance like brake, suspension and other wheel off ground activities. I bet if you took a poll of why people have lifts, the vast majority would use them for unloaded suspension work.
 
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Even if it cost more for the grease pit, at least you don't have a lift in your way all the time.

No, and that hole in the floor is MUCH more convenient to have around... :rolleyes:

Somebody tell me how you do ANYTHING to a car other that change the oil or trans fluid using a pit. Can you remove a wheel and do brakes? No. Can you install an exhaust system? Maybe, except when you need to raise the car to snake the tail pipe over the rear axle. Can you drop a trans? Maybe, but you're working in a MUCH narrower space than with the car on a lift. Can you do any suspension work? No.

You catch the drift.
 

Stuart in MN

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Seeing all these threads on trying to fit an expensive lift in too small a space makes me wonder why more people don't instead install a grease pit.

If you looked a little further you'd see there have also been all kinds of threads about grease pits. ;) It seems to come up once a month or so.
 
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They have to be ventilated (toxic fumes settle in there) and needs to have drainage. I don't know where your located but in the south the water table is high and it will stay wet, that's why we don't have basements.
 

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Would seem like a PITA every time you needed a tool you would have to go up and down the stairs... Whereas a lift you are at ground level.
 

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Lifts are better for cars.

That said every time this comes up pits get cast as foul, dank, death traps.

They're just a hole. Nice smooth concrete walls and floor. Never had one with steps, just a ladder. If you spill something oil dri and a broom will clean it up just like your floor. Lighting isn't necessary use a drop light. The ventilation issue is overblown. Your head is above ground level so you're breathing the same air as if you were on your back on the floor. A fan pointed down there time to time would clear it out too. Gotta wonder how nasty a shop is to have that kind of fumes in it regularly though.

For trucks a pit is a godsend. I can drain 11 gallons of oil in one shot. Walk up and down and grease all the zerks. Trace wiring and air lines easily. Adjust a clutch. Put that beastly heavy starter in without being a gymnast. Drop frame Kentucky trailers are a bear to work on without a pit. You have to squeeze between the tires to get to the air bags or brakes. No thanks.
 

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i built my garage with a pit and a lifting beam , i now have a snap on mid rise lift ,all have their advantages and disadvantages but i still like my pit best i can drive a car across the boards and then remove them and support one corner on a tall axle stand leaving all the sill and corner exposed , its just a question of application how you use them or how inventive you can be
 
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Some good comments.

Would seem like a PITA every time you needed a tool you would have to go up and down the stairs... Whereas a lift you are at ground level.

At first I thought "This is too funny". I mean, who would not at least have some tools, in a tray or box, in his hand or by the edge of the pit (or another set of basic tools already in the pit), before climbing down to, let's say, change the oil or r&r a shock? But it's still a valid point about taking a few steps, up and down.

Not dismissing the extreme usefulness of any lift, especially for a professional shop where other clear bays may be available. But find myself curious as to why these simple constructions (pits) have been so universally shunned by homeowner-shops, in favor of a lift (or nothing).

On many older cars you had to get under the hood, as well as under the car, to change the front shocks, for example. Likewise with draining and refilling the oil, replacing the filter, and then checking for leaks. A grease pit facilitated this by providing instant access to both areas, simultaneously. Yes, a few steps up and down.

Sorry for not searching, first. But I have never seen a thread on pits since becoming a member. At first I was simply curious why the lack of love for a pit. But now I find myself easily playing devil's advocate. Most of a pit's natural shortcomings are very simple to overcome, especially if considered during the garage/shop's planning stages.
 

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Oh yes, I try to get out all the tools I think I will need before starting a project (mostly to make sure I have everything necessary), but things hardly ever go according to plan and I end up going back and forth getting various things.

Legitimately, I think most people avoid them because of insurance / liability reasons. Even if you say your pit will be covered when not in use, what happens if you forget and someone falls in and injures themselves? Every oil change place I've been to, they run a pretty tight ship making sure the protective mesh is in place and only opened when a car is above, and promptly closed before the car drives out. Someone could sue big time if the fell in. Underwriters these days for commercial are serious sticklers for even the smallest things. If they don't like what you are doing they will drop you in a heartbeat.

Likewise I'm sure for the home garage people that do want to put a pit in there are tons of regulations to follow depending on where you live which might just make it more of a hassle than its worth.

They still put them in the oil-change places around here, but I've never heard of an individual putting one in their garage.
 

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If I didn't have #3 rebar on 18" centers in my slab, I'd probably put one in my shop since it has an 8' ceiling.
 

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I like the wheel lifts we have at the dealer for semi's... Roll them wherever needed. Lift any axle, generally I'll pick the front of a truck about 8" to do a service. Put's everything at a perfect height to do from a creeper.
 

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No, and that hole in the floor is MUCH more convenient to have around... :rolleyes:

Somebody tell me how you do ANYTHING to a car other that change the oil or trans fluid using a pit. Can you remove a wheel and do brakes? No. Can you install an exhaust system? Maybe, except when you need to raise the car to snake the tail pipe over the rear axle. Can you drop a trans? Maybe, but you're working in a MUCH narrower space than with the car on a lift. Can you do any suspension work? No.

You catch the drift.

How do you think things were done before lifts were available?
You can do anything in a pit. You can remove wheels, do brakes, axle work, shocks, remove gearboxes. Anything. The difference beetween a lift and a pit is comfort. A lift is a lot more comfortable than a pit. You have easier acces to your tools.
 
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ez-duzit

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Neat shop.

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The cost and the installation cost/difficulty has come down so far and there is no better way to work on a car than the modern 2 post hoist. Its simple as that, back in the days of old the options were fewer.
 

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Any one can have a plain jane lift installed in a day. Thousands of DIY'ers have them now days.
Now to build a awesome pit like ther one above is way cool! I'd rather have that than a 2 or 4 post lift!
 
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