taumac
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Surfing youtube and came across this guy. Finally I found a guy who same ideas I have. Unique and outside the box thinking to storage and space useage.
great ideas and shop
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Radio Ron w4ron
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PVC for air lines works great if you do'em right. I worked for a company that built packaging machinery, we moved into another building across the parking lot and built
our dream shop. Another guy and myself installed a PVC air system that covered the shop
that was about 200' X 100' we used 1 1/2" schedule 80 and were really careful to get a lot
of PVC glue on the joints. Had a couple leaks at first but no big deal.
I'm going to use PVC when I plumb the air system in my shop.
I'll keep everyone posted.
By the way, I got a LOT of great ideas from his video.
our dream shop. Another guy and myself installed a PVC air system that covered the shop
that was about 200' X 100' we used 1 1/2" schedule 80 and were really careful to get a lot
of PVC glue on the joints. Had a couple leaks at first but no big deal.
I'm going to use PVC when I plumb the air system in my shop.
I'll keep everyone posted.
By the way, I got a LOT of great ideas from his video.
I normally avoid the dreaded PVC talk but...
Yeah, PVC works great, until it blows up sending shrapnel everywhere. PVC is not rated for air and gets brittle with age. Even if it's in perfect condition what happens if you accidentally hit it with something? Boom. Enjoy your plastic shrapnel salad.
On the other hand if you say hey I know the risk, I want to be cheap, and am willing to take the chance of hurting or injuring others... Well then plumb away.
Yeah, PVC works great, until it blows up sending shrapnel everywhere. PVC is not rated for air and gets brittle with age. Even if it's in perfect condition what happens if you accidentally hit it with something? Boom. Enjoy your plastic shrapnel salad.
On the other hand if you say hey I know the risk, I want to be cheap, and am willing to take the chance of hurting or injuring others... Well then plumb away.
On a positive note I like the storage box rack. Will be stealing this in the future... Anyone had any experience with the HF storage boxes?
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It looks like Bob's workshop was formerly a single car garage. While I don't agree with everything in his shop, he has stuff 10 lbs of **** in a 5 pound bag. He's used some out of the box thinking to gain more storage and usable space.
BTW, did anybody catch the scrolling background on his monitor ? "no muff too tough, we dive til five."
BTW, did anybody catch the scrolling background on his monitor ? "no muff too tough, we dive til five."
Blacklisted
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I have a couple that I use for electrical connectors etc. They seem to be holding up fine. I want to get some more for other stuff also.
pmiranda
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Yeah, that was smart... I have a bunch of cheap plastic drawer sets in the garage that are a pain when they get too full. Some piece always sticks up and catches, or the plastic frame bends under the weight and snags the drawer... and stuff falls out of the drawer too easily when removing it.
I really dig putting machines on hinges or pivots to get them out of the way.
Steevo
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Welcome to GJ, Ron.
We need new members to re-ignite the volatile topics that have been beat to death previously.
With any luck, before you get around to plumbing your new shop, you will have time to read through some of the MANY threads on here regarding air distribution systems, materials, safety factors, etc.
Enjoy!
ddawg16
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PVC? Please....not again.....no way you would put that in my garage....I'm even regretting that I used them for the hose bib for my back yard water....the kids have broken it off once...I now have it somewhat protected to prevent a repeat....
As for those HV storage boxes...I have several....this is how I store them.
As for the guy who 'thinks outside the box'....he most likely got all his ideas from us.....
As for those HV storage boxes...I have several....this is how I store them.
As for the guy who 'thinks outside the box'....he most likely got all his ideas from us.....
383 240z
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OH MY GOD the **** in that place!!! I do kinda like the router table built into the saw, however all those screwdrivers piled up in front of the saw would drive me nuts. Keith
I just thought guy had some great ideas. I did see the pvc lines and I thought it wouldn't start a firestorm but I was wrong.... On the other hand I was searching and searching YouTube and net for some space saving and real clever ideas and thought I would share the video. I have small garage myself and I've used a lot of my ideas to save space and some I havnt shown yet lol i just plump ran out of ideas. Btw I know that pvc is cheap and know that some air system can be expensive. I don't know why ppl don't use pvc coated or all rubber air hoses to plump air lines. If it good enough as a working air hose line why not use it to plump runs?
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Falcon67
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Eye level PVC air lines - nice.
It's like the deal on hyper vs forged pistons. Sure, you can run hard on hyper pistons - to a point. However, if something else goes haywire that causes stress on the hyper piston it will shatter. And when it does, it'll take the block, maybe a head, etc with it. A forged piston will take a full hit from something like a valve and live. Now bring me the pieces of the hyper engine and tell me how much $ you saved running the cheaper pistons. Run the PVC if you like, maybe you'll get away with it. If if doesn't hold up, then be sure to post about the money saved in real terms.
It's like the deal on hyper vs forged pistons. Sure, you can run hard on hyper pistons - to a point. However, if something else goes haywire that causes stress on the hyper piston it will shatter. And when it does, it'll take the block, maybe a head, etc with it. A forged piston will take a full hit from something like a valve and live. Now bring me the pieces of the hyper engine and tell me how much $ you saved running the cheaper pistons. Run the PVC if you like, maybe you'll get away with it. If if doesn't hold up, then be sure to post about the money saved in real terms.
hmbemis
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He's got vacuums duplicated around the shop--why not do a central vac system for the spot clean-ups and route PVC lines where you needed the suction? Can even locate it somewhere else like he did w/ the compressor...
I didn't see any dust collection, must be a nightmare to keep it all clean if he's doing much wood cutting and sanding.
Best idea I took away from that was the idea of building a shelf setup to hold those plastic boxes for the small parts... of course I never seem to have enough of any small parts to make it worth my while... but it would be a good alternative for storing bulk fasteners, toggle bolts, etc...
Looks like he's also the inventor of something called "The Poop Hoop" :-/
I didn't see any dust collection, must be a nightmare to keep it all clean if he's doing much wood cutting and sanding.
Best idea I took away from that was the idea of building a shelf setup to hold those plastic boxes for the small parts... of course I never seem to have enough of any small parts to make it worth my while... but it would be a good alternative for storing bulk fasteners, toggle bolts, etc...
Looks like he's also the inventor of something called "The Poop Hoop" :-/
Blackmarket
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While not everything he did to his shop will impress everyone. For the amount of room he has and what he needs to use. I think he did a good job of saving space and making it all work for him.
Craptain
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BTW, did anybody catch the scrolling background on his monitor ? "no muff too tough, we dive til five."
That was what the casino girls used to say about me years ago, when I worked aboard a cruise ship. Diving was my passion.
They said a few other things as well.
I do agree with you.... Everyone of our garages shops have unique and different needs for the work we each do. He made it work for him. Used folding stuff, swinging bandsaw and kinda dig the multipurpose bench saw, router, sander deal. I think each of use have techiques for all situations we run into. It was just nice to see a video on YouTube walking us thru some of them.
hh76
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I'm guessing he was working on a budget, and just picked up cheap used vacs as he found them. I've got my good one, and an old one a neigbor gave to me, if I run into another for cheap, I'll probably be getting closer to his set up.
I was pretty impressed. Lots of things that would be annoying to me if I were working there, but I'm guessing it works great for his needs.
I agree. Vacuuming after the fact lets much more fine dust escape and coat EVERYTHING, including all the equipment too far from those two small vacs. If the vacs are stationary, why doesn't he just run some small dust collection hoses to the tools themselves? Seems like a bit of a waste of those vacs.
Even the cheapo HF shop dust collector would be better than this setup, if it ran to the stationary tools and collected dust as its produced.
Jvvmusme
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I liked the door for hanging things. I liked the revolving grinder.
Kevin54
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PVC Airlines...........Here WE GO!!!!!keithh2oskier
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Some interesting ideas. To claustrophobic for my taste but good organization with the bins. I also like the buffer/grinder setup. Thats a smart idea.
1Garageman
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In many ways I don't like his shop, I mean many!
Itsahobby
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Don't know about the buffer/grinder setup. I don't want any metal dust getting on my buffing wheels.
Zeke
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You're not alone. And what is going on with all the paint drips and red overspray on his table saw and surrounding bench? Wood lathe directly in front of parts shelves?
I think he spends more time working on his shop than working in it. Tool belts that have never been used.
keithh2oskier
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Okay so maybe its a dumb idea. Perhaps he can put something between them to keep this buffing wheels clean...
This is the usual ignorant discussion. The guy has shared his limited workspace and his spacesaving ideas. I'm sure if he had a 30x40 space the layout would be different but clearly he doesn't so I applaud his creativity.
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1Garageman
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Creativity is great, as long as it is useful and safe!
I wouldn't want buffing wheels on the backside of a grinder but grinding stones on the front and wire wheels on the back would be alright.
Itsahobby
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Blacklisted
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As for those HV storage boxes...I have several....this is how I store them.
As for the guy who 'thinks outside the box'....he most likely got all his ideas from us.....
I like the setup, I want to do something similar.
Kevin54
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He's got a couple of good ideas, but he also has a few dangerous ideas too. About one of the most dangerous I saw was the drill bits mounted upside down in the wood block in front of the table saw and router. One wrong move and he'll slice his arm really good. And having all that **** in front of the table saw IS NOT a good idea. That's just something to get caught on while working in the saw. Of course there are the PVC lines everywhere.
As far as the good ideas, I did like the bandsaw idea for getting it out of the way, although I never like tools to be above waist height. I did like the belt sander idea, and the idea of using the table saw as also a router table. The parts containers are a good idea.
As far as the coiled airhoses, I'd toss every one of those away. They are more of a pain than they are useful as they always coil inside theirself and you end up having to untie them every time you use them.
But in defense of him, it is his sanctuary where he can get away and relax. It's served him well for eleven or twelve years so far. Hopefully it will continue to serve him with no accidents.
As far as the good ideas, I did like the bandsaw idea for getting it out of the way, although I never like tools to be above waist height. I did like the belt sander idea, and the idea of using the table saw as also a router table. The parts containers are a good idea.
As far as the coiled airhoses, I'd toss every one of those away. They are more of a pain than they are useful as they always coil inside theirself and you end up having to untie them every time you use them.
But in defense of him, it is his sanctuary where he can get away and relax. It's served him well for eleven or twelve years so far. Hopefully it will continue to serve him with no accidents.
I guess saw all and screw drivers and drill bits and they could be mounted aliitle different maybe just slighty lower. We dont know why exactly there but im sure he had his reason. Those coil air lines I never used that way but have used them before. I always had problem with pinching them. I was thinking of some idea like he has over bench and over head. Just havnt found a air layout that fits my use or felt froggy enough to dream up. Right now I just use my 150' air line for everything but thinking latley of making something with multiple places to have air hoses.
I like his enthusiasm, and fair play to him for getting so much into such a tight space but I didn't find much to inspire me.
I do a fair bit of woodworking and dust gets everywhere - lots of it, everywhere. There is no way I would run a lathe in front of all those parts containers! The clean up would drive me crazy!
I can absolutely appreciate that he has limited space (I'm in a similar situation), but the place was just too busy for me. About half way through I was reminded of an old hardware store with everything just crowded in and piled on.
I do a fair bit of woodworking and dust gets everywhere - lots of it, everywhere. There is no way I would run a lathe in front of all those parts containers! The clean up would drive me crazy!
I can absolutely appreciate that he has limited space (I'm in a similar situation), but the place was just too busy for me. About half way through I was reminded of an old hardware store with everything just crowded in and piled on.
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crewchief888
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looks like a retiree with a lifetime of hobby woodworking under his belt.
looks a little "cluttered" to me, but he'd probably say the same about my garage
he's got some good ideas, and put together a workable space for himself, with very little cash outlay...
and i admire his willingness to share it.
note: i didnt mention his PVC airlines at all
