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I need to seal the gaps between door and window rough in before installing drywall

The stud is 2x4 and the siding has tyvek facing me

I got the windows and door great stuff foam I just wanted to make sure it is not going to distort my framing causing window problems?
Do I place the straw about half way in and start spraying? So the foam have room to move?
 
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If it's the stuff ment for windows and doors, it should be lower expansion with less risk.

The key is to apply the foam in multiple passes and allow it to fully expand before adding more. Don't try to "fill the whole gap with foam" in 1 try. I generally end up going around the whole window/door in 3 passes waiting a good 15-30min between each pass.
 

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and brake or carb cleaner works to clean the can and tube so you can reuse it without having to use it all in one go. :thumbup:

when you're done, shoot some down the tube to clean it out and then spray into and around the valve to clean it up.

i can't remember which works better, brake or carb, but it isn't a big enough deal with this for me to care when i pull the can off the shelf.
 

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Yep fill the gap in steps. When it expands out, I let it dry completely then cut it off with a serrated kitchen knife. I know, I'm sure someone has a special tool but I found one of the smallish kitchen ones works best for me.
 

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Someone here probably has a remedy for removal, but IME you don't want to get it on your skin. Wear disposable gloves!
 
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Thanks. Everything went pretty well with the windows and door version. I don't think I want to use regular for anything anymore but I guess they dry into a harder foam. I just had to go second pass in some spots. I guess I could have put more through the cavity sticking the straw a lot further but didn't want to make it too heavy. I just wanted to seal in drafts

I hold a hacksaw blade in my hand to trim. They can get it really flush.
 
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I usually just use the regular stuff, and spay it in small layers at a time. Never had a problem with it warping the frames.
My dad did use it to replace the flotation in the ends of a canoe once. Busted the ends open, so he had to tear it all out, refiberglass, and then refoam.
 

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^ ^ ^ +1 for the LOW expansion stuff.

Yes. Well, specifically the stuff made for windows. The window/door Great Stuff is not really less expanding than the regular. It is just partially open celled, so it is more "fluffy". It still expands around 2x (like the regular stuff, though not like the high expansion 3x stuff), but it exerts very little pressure as it expands, so it won't hurt your window's fit.

Another foam option is latex foam. Dap makes something that comes to mind:
http://www.homedepot.com/p/DAP-Daptex-Plus-12-oz-Window-and-Door-Foam-Sealant-18836/100357216

This stuff is NOT structural at all. It hardens to something not much stronger than shaving cream, BUT it cleans up with water, and if all you need is something to stop a draft, it works great. However, I like the fact that Great Stuff adds strength to your window install, so that is what I would recommend here. I reserve the latex foam for things like pipe penetrations (behind caulk).

and brake or carb cleaner works to clean the can and tube so you can reuse it without having to use it all in one go. :thumbup:

when you're done, shoot some down the tube to clean it out and then spray into and around the valve to clean it up.

i can't remember which works better, brake or carb, but it isn't a big enough deal with this for me to care when i pull the can off the shelf.

Non-chlorinated brake cleaner is pretty much the same thing as carb cleaner. Both are fine for Great Stuff cleanup, but so is cheap old acetone, so long as you don't let it dry first.

I once had this spot I wanted to foam that was just a little out of reach (accessible only through the hole from my bathroom vent fan). So I removed the straw, and replaced it with a 4' piece of polyethylene ice-maker line that I taped to a stick. I heated the end to get it to fit onto the nozzle, and it fit great. I now had an extended reach can of regular Great Stuff.

Then I started foaming. I got through most of the can before it happened.

I put the can down for a moment, and within seconds, the back-pressure from the hose caused the nozzle that screws onto the can to jump its threads and pop off (my hose connection stayed solid). Foam shot out of the back of the hose, and all over my bathroom floor. Racing against the dry time, I had no problem cleaning it all up with a lot of paper towels and acetone. Getting it off of the grout was the most difficult part.
 
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The window/door Great Stuff is not really less expanding than the regular. It is just partially open celled, so it is more "fluffy". It still expands around 2x (like the regular stuff, though not like the high expansion 3x stuff), but it exerts very little pressure as it expands, so it won't

That was my understanding as well. The doors/windows is open cell, the regular is closed cell.

I use a ton of canned foam. Even interior doors get the full jamb foamed. Makes for a stronger, quieter door. Flexible conduit in the wall? Gets foamed so it doesn't rattle. Any opening - foam.

Another note - fireblock foam is the same stuff as normal foam. It is just orange.
 

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I put the can down for a moment, and within seconds, the back-pressure from the hose caused the nozzle that screws onto the can to jump its threads and pop off (my hose connection stayed solid). Foam shot out of the back of the hose, and all over my bathroom floor. Racing against the dry time, I had no problem cleaning it all up with a lot of paper towels and acetone. Getting it off of the grout was the most difficult part.

Lol. I'm just imaging the mad scramble to clean it up.

Mental note to self: Keep acetone and rags handy whenever using expanding foam.
 

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... I got through most of the can before it happened.

I put the can down for a moment, and within seconds, the back-pressure from the hose caused the nozzle that screws onto the can to jump its threads and pop off (my hose connection stayed solid). Foam shot out of the back of the hose, and all over my bathroom floor. Racing against the dry time, I had no problem cleaning it all up with a lot of paper towels and acetone. Getting it off of the grout was the most difficult part.

BTDT, I still have a couple t-shirts that are foam-sprayed. Somewhere... :beer:

The aerosol can and straw make it soo easy to clean up.
 
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Yeah, I've got a couple of shirts with foam stains too. Once it's worked into the fibers, I'm not even sure if acetone will help.
 

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I have learned over the years to just buy a can for that need and toss after done. Saving is false economy IMHO, because if you wait a while the can won't spray - clean nozzle or no.
 

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LOL! Almost like building the airplane out of the same material that the "black box" is made of ...

I just used the fire block stuff this weekend and forgot what a mess that stuff can make. It can fill some big ***....holes though.
 

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I bought the gun attachment for about $40. Main use was sub-flooring glue foam but it works on larger 20 OZ great foam cans too. Easy to use and clean, product stays usable for about 30 days. Really like it.
 

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Nobody has mentioned the other type of Great Stuff foam. Its the pest proof foam that mice etc will not eat through and come in the house. It's special formula includes what they call a "Bitterant", something that tastes so bad mice won't eat it. Home Depot carries it but it was not with the insulation, it was over in the concrete isle. They didn't know they had it until I had them look it up, and then I had to find it for them. The website showed like 120 cans in stock so I knew they had some somewhere in the store.
 

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Yeah, I've got a couple of shirts with foam stains too. Once it's worked into the fibers, I'm not even sure if acetone will help.

never tried... :p

I have learned over the years to just buy a can for that need and toss after done. Saving is false economy IMHO, because if you wait a while the can won't spray - clean nozzle or no.

define "a while". I just finished a can I started in the fall.

Even if the can goes off before you can use it, it's not really false economy. At most, you're out 10 seconds of brake cleaner. Sure beats running around looking for a place to use that 1/2 can that's always remaining... :D
 

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I didnt think about using brake cleaner to clean the straw. I will have to try that b/c I have run out of cracks to caulk. And don't want to throw away the can.
 

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you'll like it when you discover the one crack you missed tomorrow when you go to admire your foam job. :)
 

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If it's the stuff ment for windows and doors, it should be lower expansion with less risk.

The key is to apply the foam in multiple passes and allow it to fully expand before adding more. Don't try to "fill the whole gap with foam" in 1 try. I generally end up going around the whole window/door in 3 passes waiting a good 15-30min between each pass.

Yep fill the gap in steps. When it expands out, I let it dry completely then cut it off with a serrated kitchen knife. I know, I'm sure someone has a special tool but I found one of the smallish kitchen ones works best for me.

I don't bother trying to fill the whole cavity. I spray enough to stop airflow as that's what's causing the vast majority of heat loss. And if it expands too much, wait a few minutes until it skins over and push it back to where it belongs with a scrap piece of wood.

EDIT; Another point I learned from somewhere in the past, is that there is next to no circulation of air in an area that is less than 5/8" in width, such as between window glass. I've replaced 100's of windows. The cavity in the vast majority of window frame to rough openings is less than 1/2" so there is no circulation there and if you stop the flow with expanding foam then there is no need to fill the cavity.

I heard it also works pretty well in speed cameras...

hmmmmm....:3gears: :rocker: :D
 
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