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SteveCh

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I received, for some reason, an email from Grizzly, advertising some tools. I have heard of their name, but I have no experience with them.

Question is, are they legit'? Are they selling good-quality tools, or are they more on the Harbor-Freight junky level?
 
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They sell medium quality tools for wood and metal working. Better than HF but not as good as other brands. They are great for the home shop guy that uses them for weekend projects.

Mike
 

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I think of Grizzly as more of an importer. I lump them in with Jet and Baliegh. They're experts at buying Chinese tools, painting them green, and selling them to you and I at a profit. That said, there is cetrainly room for this practice as it enables hobbyists like myself to run a small milling machine in my home shop without breaking the bank and having to make space for a 1 ton knee mill.

I made a set of replacement connecting rods for a track saw track just yesterday with my Grizzly mill/drill. Here's a pic of the factory part and my "copy".

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Grizzly is legit and I agree that they are medium quality plus/minus the specific tool. If you look at the detailed info. they always have the CoO. If you are careful (and maybe raise your price a bit) you can many times find a tool from Taiwan instead of China.
 

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Places like Grizzly and Precision Mathews are on the upper end of the scale when it comes to the Asian machine tool markets. YouTube is full of reviews on Grizzly machines and you seldom find anyone with a complaint.

I read the old familiar USA Iron vs Asia argument the other day regarding parts availability. Take a machine such a 12x36" lathe as an example, at least when you buy it today from Grizzly it's a current production model, at a home-gamer affordable price and claims are that Grizzly does a pretty decent job of stock and delivering parts, should you have a problem.

Name me one USA made 12x36 lathe you can buy new today, at even a 50-100% premium in price. Ain't none, and most that are out there are minimum 40+ years old. So even if you can find a nice 12x36 machine like my Clausing, they've been out of production for a LONG time and good luck getting parts. Yes, you can get some parts, but the one you buy today may very well be the last one they ever make.
 

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I have a few grizzly tools a 4 bag dust collector and 6X48 belt sander from the late 80's they have a lot of hours and a 6 year old 20" planer looks exactly like the jet or Powermatic except for minor cosmetics and 1200 bucks, many board feet have ran through it without issue.
 

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I received, for some reason, an email from Grizzly, advertising some tools. I have heard of their name, but I have no experience with them.

Question is, are they legit'? Are they selling good-quality tools, or are they more on the Harbor-Freight junky level?

Grizzly was one of the first major importers of Asian made industrial tools, back when companies like Delta and Powermatic were still major manufacturers making tools in the USA.
Back then, the tools were known to be useable, but typically with somewhat cruder manufacture than tools from companies like Delta Powermatic, as well as other more expensive imports like Jet.
That said, Grizzly has gotten more “professional” quality tools in their lineup over the years.
In many cases, like Ikea, they have different quality ranges for different budgets and users. For instance, they have bench grinders from $65 to $1000+ with the more expensive options designed to compete with manufacturers like Baldor, although they also carry Baldor grinders.
The owner, Shiraz Balolia, is actually into woodworking and making stringed instruments, so the website has lots of Luthier supplies.
The owners brother from what I recall, owns Busy Bee Tools in Canada, which is the Canadian version of Grizzly.
Grizzly also carries lots of weird specialty tools, that might no longer be otherwise manufactured, or which might be obscenely expensive from the specialty manufacturers that still make similar equipment.(ie. out of the affordability of a non high end manufacturer)

Machinery made by high end European manufacturers like Felder would be higher quality, but in the price range, the Grizzly stuff is good.
 

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Grizzly seems to hold their suppliers to higher quality standards then other resellers and as a result they're pretty well respected.
 

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Name me one USA made 12x36 lathe you can buy new today, at even a 50-100% premium in price. Ain't none, and most that are out there are minimum 40+ years old. So even if you can find a nice 12x36 machine like my Clausing, they've been out of production for a LONG time and good luck getting parts. Yes, you can get some parts, but the one you buy today may very well be the last one they ever make.

This is aside but to your point, allegedly one can buy a "new" Monarch 10EE from the remaining works in Sidney, OH, built from old castings but scraped to pass all of the machine alignment tests that a new one would have had to pass in the day and all parts renewed which could be worn.

Now we are deep into 5 figures of money here and the Grizz is definitely not for a 12x20-ish machine, there's an extended center version for 30" c-c.
 

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I ordered a few gun safes from them that were missing parts. I complained to them about it and they sent me more gun safes that were missing parts. Super happy with them. Instead of shipping me new parts, they sent me extra safes. I ended up going to the hardware store and getting the little bolts and screws.
 

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Price matters, there is a big difference between buying a $400 4x6" lathe and a $4000 12x36 lathe. Their cheap stuff is cheap, but they have some good higher end stuff.

I have their little English wheel, and yeah it needs some work out of the box (I'm going to replace the C frame with much heavier tube) but for $100 I think it was a good value for the little projects I have planned for it. If I was going to do some serious metal fabrication I would have spent a lot more.

Some of their cheaper stuff is essentially the same as that sold by Harbor Freight, but I've found Grizzly's quality control and service is much better. They also don't just live at the bottom of cost and quality. If you are willing to spend the money they have some higher end stuff. I mean the only way you are going to spend $50,000 on a lathe at Harbor Freight is if you buy 6000 mini-lathes, Grizzly has some big lathes in the $40-50,000 price range.
 
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Significant distinctions with Grizzly tools is that they stock replacement parts for their Asian tools (or did prior to the falling out we're currently experiencing with China), their quality control is improved over "other" Asian tool vendors, and the documentation for the tools are completely re-written in honest-to-goodness good english!
 

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I found a kinetic recovery rope on Grizzly’s side for about $30 less than Amazon shipped. I had a shipping notice the next morning.
 

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Grizzly was one of the first major importers of Asian made industrial tools, back when companies like Delta and Powermatic were still major manufacturers making tools in the USA.
Back then, the tools were known to be useable, but typically with somewhat cruder manufacture than tools from companies like Delta Powermatic, as well as other more expensive imports like Jet.
That said, Grizzly has gotten more “professional” quality tools in their lineup over the years. .........................

Machinery made by high end European manufacturers like Felder would be higher quality, but in the price range, the Grizzly stuff is good.

This ^^^


Grizzly is typically a better machine at a better price with good customer support that beats common relic MinUSA brands like Powermatic, Delta, Bailiegh, etc....

Those relic brands are now also made overseas and charge more for the name rather then the quality.
 

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Wow. Who knew we were all a bunch of closet Grizzly fans? This is not the same reaction I get when I try to post a question about my Grizzly mill on Practical Machinist.
 

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Wow. Who knew we were all a bunch of closet Grizzly fans? This is not the same reaction I get when I try to post a question about my Grizzly mill on Practical Machinist.

In case you hadn't noticed, the owner of Practical Machinist has a pretty strict "no China" policy and is one of those "This is my sandbox, don't like it, GTF out and don't let the door slap you in the *** on the way out" sorta fellas.
I seldom frequent his domain.
 

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In case you hadn't noticed, the owner of Practical Machinist has a pretty strict "no China" policy and is one of those "This is my sandbox, don't like it, GTF out and don't let the door slap you in the *** on the way out" sorta fellas.
I seldom frequent his domain.

Asian is OK at PM as long as it's manufacturing grade. Home Shop Grade machine discussion is not allowed and that's not limited to just Asian machines.

It's not a very friendly forum unless you're in the professional trades and that seems to be the way they like it run.
 

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On a side note, Shiraz Balolia's autobiography was a good read. I had already had a pretty good impression of Grizzly and the value of their tools, but after reading his story, I really wanted to order a new South Bend lathe.
 

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I've got a ShopFox 8x72 jointer that I bought new a few months ago and have ran probably a 1000 feet of lumber over without any complaints. From my understanding ShopFox is owned by Grizzly. I ordered a Grizzly "industrial" 12" 5hp table saw a little over a month ago and was backordered at the time with an estimated in stock date of 5/3. I was charged and got the tracking number on 5/7 and it should be here some time this week. After shopping around even on the used market I couldn't find anything comparable for the same money and anything else new was nearly twice the cost. After finding a lot of good feedback on Grizzly's customer service I figured I would take the plunge and see what happens!
 

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Grizzly has been continually improving their products & their customer service is great. I have owned a bunch of Grizzlies & still do, if you notice they get pretty good resale, at least around here. Last year I bought a G4003G 12 x 36 gunsmith lathe, I didn't know much about metal lathes & all the old iron I looked at needed work & tooling, so I figured I would start new with a warranty. It has been a pleasure learning on a new lathe with tight tolerances, bought a G0613 mitering bandsaw, I love it , use it every chance I get. I also have a G0513X2BF wood bandsaw & I have to say it's a precision cutting saw, now I'm looking at a griz mill, for me buying new & using it right away is a big plus. 12 years ago I bought a 5hp 12" table saw w/biesmeyer fence for our shop, ripping miles of high density form plywood, saw still works as it should. I wouldn't hesitate to buy another griz & the few small issues I had their customer service took care of it right a way & followed up to make sure I was satisfied.
 

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I don't have recent history, but some years ago when Grizzly and Jet were the only two importers of Korean machines. Grizzly was the hands down winner for quality. They kept Employees in the factories overseeing the quality of what was being built. Jet inspected after the fact. And they missed a lot.
 
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I notice Grizzly advertises some products as being made in an ISO 9001 factory for whatever that's worth.

I'm coveting the little G9742 bandsaw with the swivel head. It seems like it would be a nice upgrade over my Evo dry cut saw and it's $300 cheaper than the Baliegh equivalent.
 

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Avoid Baliegh

Pure garbage at higher then average prices



Its true they make USA stuff, its like 5 specialty machines that cost 20k, everything else is junk
 

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So even if you can find a nice 12x36 machine like my Clausing, they've been out of production for a LONG time and good luck getting parts. Yes, you can get some parts, but the one you buy today may very well be the last one they ever make.

But . . . you'll have a lathe. YOU can make the parts you need for it. I've helped my buddy make parts for his lathes, shapers and mills. It's some work for sure but isn't that one of the reasons to get a lathe, to do some work?
 
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