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70chevellegsp

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I have a Cannon 40 gun safe. I got it to secure my guns from curious individuals and/or someone just 'coming upon' them. I have good insurance on my guns, which is my real protection from theft and fire. If a criminal wants your guns/property, they will find a way to get them. Fire protection can be important, but you also have to be aware that in the event of a fire, your guns will likely also be exposed to damaging smoke and water. My guns are valuable and have sentimental value, but none are antiques or collectibles. So for me, as long as I have good insurance to replace what may get damaged or stolen, I feel pretty secure.
 
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Nessal

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I got a large 42 gun safe that is anchored down and fitted into a hole in the wall preventing access from all the sides except for the front. On top of that, I have an alarm system that has monitoring and smartphone notification. Then on top of that I got two large dogs that bark at anything that moved. It is all about layering your security. I feel pretty safe when I leave my home.


I also forgot to add. I have cameras setup as well that I can view at any time on my phone and it alerts me when it detects motion and sound. Not that I live in a bad neighborhood or anything. Property crimes where I live is extremely low. I would hate myself if someone stole my firearms and someone innocent end up getting hurt by them.
 
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rburke65

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EOC Jason....I just saw a video on the Bear Safe web site where 2 guys with a crow bar and a spud bar broke into a Graffunder safe in 104 seconds! I know nothing about safes......just saying.
 

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EOC Jason....I just saw a video on the Bear Safe web site where 2 guys with a crow bar and a spud bar broke into a Graffunder safe in 104 seconds! I know nothing about safes......just saying.

It was 140 seconds, and that wasn't a Graffunder.... It wouldn't have been that easy...
 

Mikea57

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if I ever build a house I intend on having a large enough walk in closet to where I could bolt a safe down in the center of the room and build around the 4 sides of it, putting up shelving, shoe storage, etc., then have one side hinged to where you could open that side to gain access to the safe.
 

TAMPAGT07

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if I ever build a house I intend on having a large enough walk in closet to where I could bolt a safe down in the center of the room and build around the 4 sides of it, putting up shelving, shoe storage, etc., then have one side hinged to where you could open that side to gain access to the safe.

Hell, I'd just put in a closet sized safe with vault door...
 

grommit

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I bought a cheaper safe. Cut back and bottom out of the box, turned the box inside out, wrote Christmas tree on it, and slide it over the safe. Could work? better than nothing, in any case HIDE IT.
 

Hpozzuoli

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I am about to move in a month or so. I need to get my safe and pool table out from the basement and over to the new house. Pool table is ok because the place I bought it from moves them. 700lb gun safe might be a problem. I hope it doesn't end up being a gift to the people that bought my house.

Of course I didn't call the moving company yet. We are slated for a jan 23rd close and haven't found a new house yet.
 

dfndr

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As stated in a post above, most "safes" mentioned her are not "safes" but RSC residential security containers. They can be opened in minutes by armatures with hand tools. Google Sturdy Safe Co. Fresno California for s real safe at reasonable prices. Prices include shipping. Fire protection is far superior to other systems. Other than buying a very expensive Jewelers Safe this is the way to go. Go to their webs
 

danb35

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Sturdy uses a special snowflake insulation material that nobody else uses in safes/security containers in that size range, and they are either unwilling or unable to have their safes fire tested by an independent lab (which for some reason they advertise as a feature on their web site). If it worked, it would be great--the fire lining material in any other gun safe or other residential safe works by releasing water, which turns into steam, absorbing great amounts of heat in the process. This also, of course, bathes the safe contents in superheated steam, which isn't the greatest situation for much of anything (though it's better than burning). Sturdy's material doesn't work this way; it's a purely passive insulator. If it were effective at keeping the temperature down, it would be great. But, if it were effective in keeping the temperature down, don't you think someone else would be using it?

They are also unwilling or unable to have their safes UL tested for security, even to the RSC standard.

I also don't see that Sturdy's pricing is that great. For example, their 60 H x 32 W x 24 D model (http://www.sturdysafe.com/products/model-3224), with fire lining and the warranty "upgrade" to include shipping, is $2603. The Amsec BF6030 (60 H x 30 W x 26 D), which includes both of those as stock, is $2519 shipped from http://www.safeandvaultstore.com/amsec-bf6030-gun-rifle-safe.html. Amsec has had that model UL rated (as an RSC) and lab fire tested (to 2 hours). The BF safe also has 1/2" plate steel in the door, compared to 5/16" for the Sturdy.

If you want a "real safe", it's going to have a UL TL rating. It's going to be heavy (the BF6030 weighs 1036 lb, while a TL-rated safe of similar size will be over 3000 lb), and it's probably going to be expensive, though you can sometimes find them used at bargain prices.
 
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TAMPAGT07

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Most $2500 range safes will get you through almost all burglaries.... (Assuming they are large, heavy, and bolted to the floor.) Most "professionals" will hit a bigger target like jewelry stores, pawn shops, etc. Most home burglaries are amatures and young thugs, they will grab whatever you leave them (phones, cash, jewelry, laptops, tv's.) A smaller 'Decoy safe" works great if strategically placed in the master closet.. Let them think they are getting something...
 

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Something you should consider as well as fire, is the rest of the implementation. I totally agree with the recommendations to bolt, disguise etc...

Look back to the story about the guys ramming a truck through the wall, or roommates etc... How many people know what where and how your stuff is secured? Do they know what you are securing? When the rollback truck delivers your 5000# liberty safe it will be noticed. (I have no idea what to do about that) Do your friends and family know better than to "brag up" your cool collection?

Can I find a picture of your guns, gold, ammo stash here: https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=gun+safe+www.garagejournal.com

What about build pix of your garage? With a little work your digital lifestyle is a giant arrow pointing back directly to your stash. Please be careful.

This ***** because I am a huge fan of build threads, love to live vicariously through others collections and see good craftsmanship.
 

abk241

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Not concrete, but gypsum is used. Cheaper models use just standard sheetrock (or fireproof sheetrock.) (Concrete conducts heat much too well for use as a fire resistant medium.)

Any 'fireproof' safe will deteriorate over the years as the gypsum absorbs moisture and breaks down. Then when exposed to a fire, the moisture flashes to steam causing it (the insulation's ability to withstand heat) to deteriorate more. End result: fire protection lost, especially in cheaper boxes.

The best fireproofing you can provide for a safe is to sink it in concrete.
Not very practical for a tall gun safe, but if you have papers that really need to be preserved a small safe in concrete is the way to go.
 

MrJabels

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Craigslist is the way to go. I have a diebolt document fire safe that was $75 that's better quality tha. Almost anything you will find and a 20gun with a heavy gauge door that was $200 on Craigslist. You might have to wait and hunt for a while but I know for a fact that you could find a nice liberty, Fort Knox or older browning safe in that range, also call safe dealers or safe movers and see if they have any used stock. Estates often have good quality safes for sale also. Please stay away from Costco, big box safes. They **** and can be broken into in minutes. And when you get it bolt it down, against two walls even better frame out a third. Make it as hard as possible for a thief to 1: Discover 2: pry up or break through the side walls. I just did this hunt myself and this is what I've figured out through it.


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Danb35, you are correct On each fact you make about Amsec vs Sturdy. Amsec is a very nice gunsave and when both are compared similarly equipped the prices are similar. The Amsec is a more refined product. I lived near the Study factory and went in to see them. They have convincing evidence that their fire lining works, like the pictures and of an actual burn down of a house with no damage to safe contents. Yes, their doors are thinner than Amsec but Study said he would put half inch door on for small upgrade price. He then convinced me I didn't need it so I didn't spend the money. Study has both inner and outer sidewalls that are thicker than Amsec and state that this adds to security as shown in their videos. Two things led me to buy the Sturdy. Shipping is included in their price and since I picked it up at the plant I save money. Second, since the safe was going upstairs the fact that the Stury door is removable made it easier to get upstairs and into place. Also, the local Amsec dealer gave no discount so it was much more expensive.

Again, you are right about the Amsec. I'd be pleased to own either. By the way, you are also correct that neither of these are really "safes". I had a commercial TL 30 Jewelers safe that weighed 4200 pounds. Bought it used for about $2500 from a dealer. Now that was a safe! If you want real security, that's what to get. Tried to move it with a rented pallet jack rated for 5000 pounds. Couldn't do it!
 

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I put 2 small sentry fire boxes within my real safe to increase the safety of documents and small items from fire.


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Hell, I'd just put in a closet sized safe with vault door...

While that sounds really good, a vault door from Liberty start in the neighbor hood of $5-7 grand. Then you need to have a comparable safe room built for that door. Other wise, the thieves can gain access underneath from basement or crawlspace(if on first floor or up), through the ceiling (attic) or just by chainsawing through the walls.

To build it strong, it's going to need to be concrete walls or filled CMU and concrete ceiling set above a proper foundation. It'll also need some type of electrical inside for lighting and dehumidifying the space.

I know there are guys on here that are capable but if you can't, that cost will probably run you probably double the door cost in the end. You'll also have a few contractors telling his buddies about the safe room that he built in your home.
 

jgeist

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Liberty is the way to go, but regrettably 1K is the down payment... Love mine though...
 

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Never store ammo in the safe with other valuables. In a fire it can cook off and create a fire inside the safe basically converting your safe into an oven since it will hold the heat inside.

Also when it comes to keep your guns loaded inside the safe, do not keep one in the chamber if it is an automatic. If the ammo cooks off it will cycle the gun and continue to fire until it jambs. I've seen several safes after fires that had nice bullet holes from the inside out where the guns shot through them. This also creates openings in the walls of the safe so that it can breathe and burn from the inside out.

A cheap layer of protection for guns inside a safe during a fire is a gun sock. I've seen several that were damaged much less that were in one that also had guns that were naked in the same safe. The ones in the socks were hardly damaged if at all and the others were unsafe to shoot.

Not sure if serious...

Very serious. This is a Liberty that was in a house fire.
 

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danb35

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Two things led me to buy the Sturdy. Shipping is included in their price and since I picked it up at the plant I save money.

Yeah, the ability to pick up at the factory should save a bit. The "free shipping" obviously means the cost of shipping is included in the price, so if you can remove the need to ship at all that should help out.

Second, since the safe was going upstairs the fact that the Stury door is removable made it easier to get upstairs and into place.
The Amsec door is also removable.
 

CJDave

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Go to the Liberty Safes website and view their test videos. Side by side in a furnace, pry test, drop test. Those should convince you not to buy a safe based on how cheaply it can be bought. Oh. One more thing. Buy one that is much bigger than you think you need. Guaranteed that you'll fill it.
 
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