Gutter support

[theoldwizard1]

I have "standard" (4", 5" ?) gutters on my garage attached with non-threaded gutter spikes and ferrules. A couple of years ago we have a recording breaking snow and some of the spike pulled out. When the snow melted, I pushed the gutter back in place and pounded the spikes back in. That held for the next snow season, but not now. Early snow melted and drained into the gutters, as it should. I had not cleared the leaves, so the water pooled and then froze. Next days snow melt pulled the spikes out again. The holes for the spikes in the fascia are now oversized and will not hold.

So my research shows 3 different "solutions":

• A flat bracket that slips under the front lip and then is screwed through the back of the gutter into the fascia with 1"-1.5" screws. Some have an extra strap that slips up under the shingles and is attached to the roof (I can't use that extra bracket because the shingle are too stiff from cold weather and are stuck down hard !)
• A "K-bracket". Similar to the flat bracket but with a kick up and down in the middle with a long screw going through is. Because of this angle, the screw is now going into fresh wood.
• A screw with an over sized threaded tip so that when it goes in the fascia board it is gripping fresh wood. (If I use these, I will add more.)

So which work best, or is there another solution ?

 

[oldmxracer]

wizard, I did this for a living for some years and We would usually not drive the spike back into the same hole as it will pull out again, just would angle it a bit and drive it in to fresh wood ( rafter ends ) if the spikes are just through fascia they will pull again !

As far as new hangers I would add the K hanger and keep the spikes so You don't have empty holes in Your gutter.

 

[404]

I did belt and suspenders. Made up some L brackets out of thick AL and screwed these in to my NEW pressure treated fascia I put up. Then put in the spikes and ferrules, but the weight is on the L brackets. This all ***** and good luck in what ever you decide to do.

 

[gregtwojeeps]

I have always had the best luck with the "k" fasteners also because a screw stays in wood, better than most straight smooth body spike anyway...

What people do not realize that what is detrimental to good gutter supporting, is how the carpenters framed the house. We ALWAYS put a 2" x 6 " "band" on our rafter tails and then covered it with 3/4" redwood fascia. ...

Not all houses were done this way though and most carpenter's just nailed a 3/4 " fascia board on the rafter tails. Then, if the gutter installer did not take the time to nail in to the rafter tails, the spikes were just nailed in to 3/4 in. fascia board. By just being nailed in to rafter tails, make just a 1.5 in wide fastener, that will over the years need the spike moved up or down in it as needed...to find fresh wood. JMO

 

[theoldwizard1]

Not all houses were done this way though and most carpenter's just nailed a 3/4 " fascia board on the rafter tails. Then, if the gutter installer did not take the time to nail in to the rafter tails, the spikes were just nailed in to 3/4 in. fascia board.

Likely there is just 1x6 fascia board that is attached to the rafter tails,

I think I am going to try the screws with the old "loose hinge screw" trick (stick a glue coated "match stick" into the old hole and then insert the screw).

I will like double up on the number of fasteners holding up that piece of gutter.